Who can beat the Spectre?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
First of all, you are. And second of all, there is an option so that even if somebody is on your ignore list you can read their posts.

Please point me to where you said something in that post that contradicted what I said.

Now.

You said that Yahweh told Lucifer that the aformentioned knew who those forces were, insinuating that this contradicts my theory. So I showed to you that Lucifer is aware of GEB's existence. What you just posted has nothing to do with that.

He didn't say that there are forces external to him, nor that they are more powerfull than him. All that he said is that he was shaped by forces external to him.

So ? Since he is those two merged into one, they still exist, thus the present tense is used.

YHWH states that he's high and mighty, and then said "But even I was shaped by forces external to me."

Think of this for a minute, why would he use "But even I" instead of simply "I"? He's heavily implying that there are forces to him that's beyond his power and authority.

As I said, there is nothing to suggest that he was talking about the writers.

And despite the fact that you have brought absolutley no evidence to support that he was reffering to the writers, I'm still going to prove it wrong. Yahweh said that those forces 'shaped' him not that they are shaping him, so he is not reffering to the writers.

You can't quote. Even if I were blocked, is there any point of mentioning it? It's not of any use to the current topic being discussed. The only reason you do it is because you think of yourself as better than others.

Actually, I can quote.

And yes, there is a point. I told you this was an exception, so that you won't expect a discussion between us in another thread.

I said that your interpretion made no sense followed by an explaination.
You quoted my reply part by part. And when comming to this, you simply replied: "Because you say so?"
I stated my perspective directly after this, if you found a flaw you should refere to that. Instead to making the reply longer than it needs to be, filled out with crap.

Feel free to point out the explination you gave. Because at this point, it seems you're just lying to cover out your tracks.

Then why did you say, he was aware of the Great Darkness?

Because you implied that Yahweh telling Lucifer that he knows who the forces who shaped him were contradicts my theory. Which it doesn't, since Lucifer knows about GEB's existence, which you implied he didn't.

But when he said to Lucifer "You know what they are." He implied that the forces are.

He was shaped by them when they merged. He is now both of them, thus the present tense being used doesn't contradict anything.

What's the problem ?

Lets take this over.

YHWH states that he's high and mighty, and then said "But even I was shaped by forces external to me."

Think of this for a minute, why would he use "But even I" instead of simply "I"? He's heavily implying that there are forces to him that's beyond his power and authority.

Context is your friend.

The discussion was about a being/entity being his own creator, to which Yahweh replied that even he was shaped by external forces. The discussion wasn't about power.

I've brought up as much evidence as you have.
I think of shape as creating a character. In the minds of the editors and writer YHWH already exists. They're shaped (their character) only once.
But it seems like you think of shaping as drawing and coloring.

You haven't brought any evidence supporting your ridiculous stance.

You haven't brough any kind of argument to contradict mine.

With that said, this discussion will be going in circles so I'm putting a stop to it.

I've already said what I had to say, so I'll let the other posters decide their opinion based on what was presented. 🙂

Originally posted by Astner
But when he said to Lucifer "You know what they are." He implied that the forces are.

Originally posted by Astner

YHWH states that he's high and mighty, and then said "[B]But even I was shaped by forces external to me."

Think of this for a minute, why would he use "But even I" instead of simply "I"? He's heavily implying that there are forces to him that's beyond his power and authority.
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was about to say the same think myself.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
was about to say the same think myself.

What same thing ?

read air-legands post.

He's on ignore also, and I've read enough stupidity today by reading another guy who's on ignore's post.

So just tell me what you agree with, and I'll discuss it with you on why it's wrong.

Funny, I thought you actually could look at the comments of people that were on ignore. Why would you make an exception when it comes to air legend. Why ask someone else to repost it instead of simply pressing "show reply".
Either you're increadibly ignorant or simply arrogant. Pick your poison.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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And according to that garbage of an arc,
any Marvel Celestial Guardian can erase the DC reality with the flick of a switch.

Or any Marvel Omniversal buster can wipe out DC as well.

Sweet. ... (I can live with that) ... 😎

no where in that cross over did it say that either was part of the other's omniverse. but if you take it that way fine, any dc versal character can wipe out marvel as well. next subject. except we know in dc, marvel artifacts don't have the same effects and in marvel dc artifacts dont' have the same effect. they have to be merged or in an inbetween place to work. the celestial gaurdian cannot wipe out any dc universe as it's been proven marvel artifacts generally don't work. not that i required your opinion on the matter. all i did was give an example of what happened in the book and what the spectre did.

I dont know the how and why, but i did not and still dont think he was talking about the authors,and is the opinion of those in this thread that that is the case?.., who can say for sure? i think there are two views on the matter here being discussed, but i dont see utter proof in any of them, i am trying to see where the recent debate is going and i admit i am confused

the darkness and the light represent the blank paper and the colors and words. put them together and you have comics. those are the external forces.

Originally posted by fangirl101
no where in that cross over did it say that either was part of the other's omniverse. but if you take it that way fine, any dc versal character can wipe out marvel as well.

Originally posted by fangirl101
the darkness and the light represent the blank paper and the colors and words. put them together and you have comics. those are the external forces.

Originally posted by Astner
There is a slight difference between an omniverse and a multiverse consisting of 52 universes.
Lets take Abraxas with the Ultimate Nullifier. He would be able to erease those 52 universes, he is able to erease >52 universes in Marvel, so he should also be able to do it in DC.
That doesn't make him a omniversal buster.

52 universes are only the core of dc. didn't you know that? for instance, wildstorm itself is still a multiverse. and there is still hypertime. there is also the lil known fact that the legions teams dont' all come from the 52 universes. kthanks. research does a debate good.

I'm pretty sure it was said that all that was left was 52 universes.

Originally posted by Astner
I'm pretty sure it was said that all that was left was 52 universes.

Vertigo, though falling under the DC corperation is not in story influencing contact, and does not affected the mainstream continuity of the DC universe.
In short, Vertigo is not canon in DC universe. They simply share some similar concepts.

And if 52 universes were left, then that would be a direct retcon itself. Wouldn't it?

Threads like this are retarded, It basically amounts to my meta physics is better than your meta physics. Prove it ? Well my Meta physics as done such and such, well my meta physics can do such and such. Well how do you know what the potnetial of my meta physics is ? Well how do you know what the potential of mine is ? Pointless, unverifiable bull crap.

Originally posted by Astner
Vertigo, though falling under the DC corperation is not in story influencing contact, and does not affected the mainstream continuity of the DC universe.
In short, Vertigo is not canon in DC universe. They simply share some similar concepts.

And if 52 universes were left, then that would be a direct retcon itself. Wouldn't it?

except in 52 itself, it mentions the multiverse and hypertime. vertigo is canon unto the dc universe in some instances. it is the same spectre. it was already talked about. please please. study the word of dc. vertigo is part of dc.

Originally posted by fangirl101
except in 52 itself, it mentions the multiverse and hypertime. vertigo is canon unto the dc universe in some instances. it is the same spectre. it was already talked about. please please. study the word of dc. vertigo is part of dc.

#slits wrists out of frustration#

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