This isn't a feat wars kid, and your wrong on Revan's list but I'm done arguing with handitards, our point is Revan has showed greater force mastery then Jacen Solo who was stated to be stronger then Vader, Revans force mastery would be far to much for her and his force connection gives him the added advantage of being leet in saber combat.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
This isn't a feat wars kid, and your wrong on Revan's list but I'm done arguing with handitards, our point is Revan has showed greater force mastery then Jacen Solo who was stated to be stronger then Vader, Revans force mastery would be far to much for her and his force connection gives him the added advantage of being leet in saber combat.
Wrong. Revan hasn't shown force mastery that suggests anything, outside of pure speculation.
Was he a master of the force? Yes. Do we have any description on his combat related force abilities? No. The Rakata give a vague description of Revan attacking a few of their number with lightning from above, and that's it. The best we can glim from that is that Revan knows a technique similar to the weather control of the night sisters of dathormir, and you and I both know that's doesn't prove anything either way.
Furthermore his little ambiguous feat with Rakata doesn't prove anything either way. Jacen killed Fett because of the weakness of her mind or maybe because he wasn't deft enough with that particular technique, either way its a piss poor example to use in a comparison of force mastery, given Jacen's many other force displays, and also because we don't have nearly as good a description of what Revan did to the Rakata.
Jacen > Revan (unless proven otherwise with more info). And Vader > Revan (until Revan performs a single canonical feat that eclipses Vader's displays). And please don't underestimate Vader, Sidious' personal opinion was that Vader could still have ecplisped him in power if he became completely dedicated to the dark side, according to Sidious it Vader's psyche that limited his potential not his wounds.
Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
The confrontation between nihilus and the exile was NOT based on whether she was strong enough or ready to face him. The Exile could defeat nihilus because he COULDN'T force drain her because she was a wound in the force, and after he attempted that he became very weak.watch and see for yourself
I know what happened. The important part is that Nihilus was still "too strong" according to Visas and the Exile had to shake her out of her pessimism and used her to weaken Nihilus. The funny thing though is we know the Exile's canonical participation in the battle as well as Visas' but we don't know Mandalore's. Surely, he can't have been firing shots in the middle of a Jedi duel?
Originally posted by Allankles
]Wrong. Revan hasn't shown force mastery that suggests anything, outside of pure speculation.
Was he a master of the force? Yes. Do we have any description on his combat related force abilities? No. The Rakata give a vague description of Revan attacking a few of their number with lightning from above, and that's it. The best we can glim from that is that Revan knows a technique similar to the weather control of the night sisters of dathormir, and you and I both know that's doesn't prove anything either way.
Furthermore his little ambiguous feat with Rakata doesn't prove anything either way. Jacen killed Fett because of the weakness of her mind or maybe because he wasn't deft enough with that particular technique, either way its a piss poor example to use in a comparison of force mastery, given Jacen's many other force displays, and also because we don't have nearly as good a description of what Revan did to the Rakata.
Jacen > Revan (unless proven otherwise with more info). And Vader > Revan (until Revan performs a single canonical feat that eclipses Vader's displays). And please don't underestimate Vader, Sidious' personal opinion was that Vader could still have ecplisped him in power if he became completely dedicated to the dark side, according to Sidious it Vader's psyche that limited his potential not his wounds. [/B]
Jacen's raw force potential and Vader's (before he became machine) are both superior to Revan's. However, Revan has more techniques under his belt. You need to stop voicing your displeasure over a particular character, or at least offer a cogent argument.
He keeps wanting for "combat related feats" which is so utterly stupid, considering he just admitted Revans a "master of the force" when your that strong it takes little, little effort to direct the force in an offensive manner, especially considering the three Master were able to subdue the Exile in the force with relative ease while Kreia simply force pushed them away twice then killed them all with a flick of her hand. If thats all it took to pin the Exile down, three Jedi, then Revan would toss her around like a rag-doll. It to the combined effort of the Jedi Council to subdue Revans unconscious mind.
This is the 6TH time I've asked this:
HOW CAN THE EXILE STAND UP AGAINST REVAN? HOW IS SHE EQUAL.
Your not debating, your only bitching about Revan.
Guy who's name I don't care enough to know...your an ass monkey/lame cynic, Obama is the shit, I've been a supporter of his since his 2004 speech at the DNC. Just because most of us have become politically active during the dark times (2000 - Jan 2009) doesn't mean all presidents are like or going to be like "He who shall not be named" need I remind you at one point "The shamed one", and America was almost universally loved. But yea Obama > j00
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxxMuahahahaha
Guy who's name I don't care enough to know...your an ass monkey/lame cynic, Obama is the shit, I've been a supporter of his since his 2004 speech at the DNC. Just because most of us have become politically active during the dark times (2000 - Jan 2009) doesn't mean all presidents are like or going to be like "He who shall not be named" need I remind you at one point "The shamed one", and America was almost universally loved. But yea Obama > j00
Originally posted by Allankles
I know what happened. The important part is that Nihilus was still "too strong" according to Visas and the Exile had to shake her out of her pessimism and used her to weaken Nihilus. The funny thing though is we know the Exile's canonical participation in the battle as well as Visas' but we don't know Mandalore's. Surely, he can't have been firing shots in the middle of a Jedi duel?
who said he had to use a gun? he is better off with melee weapons in kotor2.
I think he means Bush, or mabye Bill Clinton.
Force lightning, ripping the language out, giving them basic,
The Exile can handle force lightning considering that the actual power or proficientcy level of it is'nt clear.
And I doubt that Revan's gonna kill her by making her understand wookiespeak or anything. This has no relevence in combat.
etc.
Is there really an ect or did you just put that in too look good.
I love your maybes and your pitiful attempts to diminish Revan's superiority. Jacen failed doing it to one person whereas Revan did it to a species. It just shows Revan's force mastery over some techniques is superior to Jacen's.
1. This can be accredited too poor training
2. This has no relevence in a fight.
Jacen's raw force potential and Vader's (before he became machine) are both superior to Revan's. However, Revan has more techniques under his belt.
Revan has alot of rituals under her belt, nothing that would put her above the Exile in terms of a fight.
HOW CAN THE EXILE STAND UP AGAINST REVAN? HOW IS SHE EQUAL.
Since both their power levels are relatively unknown the only way too guage how would win is with their respective feats and the victories they achieved. Which are EQUAL.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
I think he means Bush, or mabye Bill Clinton.The Exile can handle force lightning considering that the actual power or proficientcy level of it is'nt clear.
And I doubt that Revan's gonna kill her by making her understand wookiespeak or anything. This has no relevence in combat.Is there really an ect or did you just put that in too look good.
1. This can be accredited too poor training
2. This has no relevence in a fight.Revan has alot of rituals under her belt, nothing that would put her above the Exile in terms of a fight.
Since both their power levels are relatively unknown the only way too guage how would win is with their respective feats and the victories they achieved. Which are EQUAL.
Bush right after 9/11, n00blets.
The Exile can handle force lightning considering that the actual power or proficientcy level of it is'nt clear.
We can gauge Revan's proficency and usage by the statements about his force power which was described as (A REHASH for the R'tards)
- Synonyms with Power
- Blinding
- Bristling
- Jolee seeing the force swirl around him
etc.
Now, when Bane a neophyte Sith apprentice BEFORE he had Revan's holocron, who was albiet very strong in the force, but NEVER described how Revan is, within the first few hours of learning force lighting he unleashed this:
"The smell of burning ozone wafted through the archives...the room crackled and hissed as he channeled the energy of the force and flung it about the room in great arching bolts of blue-violet lightning...Githany stood with Bane at the center of a maelstrom...tearing her hair and the fold of her robes."
Now if Bane in his first attempt ever could do that, imagine what Revan a master of both sides of the force could would do to the Exile.
So...the Exile can handle it...cause you say so? The only time we see canon force lighting appearance in the game it comes from Atris zapping Brianna, The Exiles apprentice, now, she makes NO attempt what so ever to defend herself from it, my point being why would the Exile NOT teach her a defense to a technique so widely used by the Sith and Dark Siders in general? Possible answer: The EXILE doesn't know one, aside from probably attempting to dodge, is there even a power in the game that allows you to dodge or redirect force lightning? Or do you just simply tank it. If so, if she tries that shit with Revan she'll get BBQ'D.
And I doubt that Revan's gonna kill her by making her understand wookiespeak or anything. This has no relevence in combat.
You really don't understand the force do you? If Revan could do that to an entire species without killing them, imagine what he could do if he decided he WANTED to kill them? With such subtle manipulations of the force the possibilities are endless in ways he could destroy a foe, he could constrict the blood flow to the brain, burst a blood vessel, liquify the brain, one swift force powered jab at the ear takes away her entire sense of balance. And considering The Exiles defenses were completely dominated by three rather weak Jedi Masters, Revan would easily be able to do the same.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Dark side knowledge. Sith Rituals. Whatever Revan learned from Malachor V and Korriban.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
That argument if for anther day and you' probably lose that one too. Revan HAVES too fight the Star Forges Jedi killing droids, he HAVES to fight Bastila alone, He HAVES to fight Malak alone, all this within minutes of each other.
And considering The Exiles defenses were completely dominated by three rather weak Jedi Masters, Revan would easily be able to do the same.
Except for the fact that Jacen does have dark side knowledge. Revan knows of knows the thought bomb, force storm, and an unknown number of other sith rituals (not that rituals put give an advantage in combat). What did Revan learn from Malacor and Korriban? There is no proof that it is anywhere near what Jacen has been proven to know.
Did you read DN and LotF, or do I have to give you examples of what stuff Jacen definitely can do? The only advantage in knowledge Revan has is sith rituals, and that does not prove that Revan beats Jacen like you say.
Jacen Sith knowledge comes from Lumiya a failed Sith Apprentice, everything else comes from the other force civilizations he visited. Everything that Kreia and company learned from Malachor, Revan has since he plundered it first.
And yet there are some enemies that Exile "HAVES" to face. The same arguments you use can be be used against you. My point isn't to say that Exile beats or even equals Revan. I am just annoyed when people try to say that that feat puts Revan way above Exile.
The POINT being, that those the Exile faced were definitively weaker then Revan, as even one of them admits. A case however can be made that Malak empowered by the Star Forge could beat the Exile. The same can't be said for Traya/Atris/Sion. Revans "must" feats surpass the Exiles.
No one has made a single valid case for them being equals, at all. It all amounts to: "Well she beat sion and kRIEA!!!" and I'm sorry that doesn't cut it. Because most of the Exile side can't argue for shit, it all degrades to downplaying Revans feats.
Actually, there is an option for Exile to submit to the jedi's judgement.
Prove it happened...oh wait
And its irrelevant since if the Exile does refuse she still can't stop it.