Exile vs Revan

Originally posted by tulakhordpwns
Except for the fact that Jacen does have dark side knowledge. Revan knows of knows the thought bomb, force storm, and an unknown number of other sith rituals (not that rituals put give an advantage in combat). What did Revan learn from Malacor and Korriban? There is no proof that it is anywhere near what Jacen has been proven to know.
Did you read DN and LotF, or do I have to give you examples of what stuff Jacen definitely can do? The only advantage in knowledge Revan has is sith rituals, and that does not prove that Revan beats Jacen like you say.

Originally posted by Chick Magnet
He keeps wanting for "combat related feats" which is so utterly stupid, considering he just admitted Revans a "master of the force" when your that strong it takes little, little effort to direct the force in an offensive manner, especially considering the three Master were able to subdue the Exile in the force with relative ease while Kreia simply force pushed them away twice then killed them all with a flick of her hand. If thats all it took to pin the Exile down, three Jedi, then Revan would toss her around like a rag-doll. It to the combined effort of the Jedi Council to subdue Revans unconscious mind.

This is the 6TH time I've asked this:

HOW CAN THE EXILE STAND UP AGAINST REVAN? HOW IS SHE EQUAL.

Your not debating, your only bitching about Revan.

Look to me it's a 50/50 affair. You want to disagree with me? Fine, just keep it civil and acknowledge the fact that there's no evidence for Revan's combat related abilities outside of the outcomes of his duels with Malak and a few others.

I'm not merely going to assume his on Kar Vastor's level based on some inconsequential appearances (as far as combat is concerned) and quotes. Do you understand that?

Based on the only definitive thing I can glim from the canon sources about Revans' combat abilties, he is no better than the Exile, until that changes I'm not going to make assumptions like Revan's force mastery > Jacen or Vader.

That's ridiculous to me. One was the chosen one with the highest raw force potential in the mythos (who Sidious believed could surpass him even after Mustafar) and the other is his grandson (granted he was messed up but very talented in the force, who was described as being almost or more powerful than Vader). There isn't enough info for me to rank Revan above the likes of those sith.

As far as the Exile getting overcome by the Masters? Ever heard of preparation? Betrayal? We saw Revan get overwhelmed by the Sith lightning of that mad former korriban head master, does it matter? Of course not, the two parties had the element of surprise.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Jacen has NO dark side knowledge whatsoever. The only thing he gains from being a sith is battle awareness, and the way he gains the power is absolutely retarded (Thanks LOTF authors). Revan has holocrons, combined knowledge of Malachor V and Korriban. Sorry, but Jacen doesn't compare in terms of dark side knowledge.

Again with the assumptions. Revan had a lot of knowledge, fine but we don't even have an idea of how broad this knowledge was. Also, knowledge is an irrelevant factor for me. Dooku had plenty more knowledge than Anakin. The Jedi librarians probably have more knowledge than just about every Jedi in their generation doesn't mean they are the best fighters/combatants.

Atris had amassed perhaps centuries worth of Sith knowledge from Jedi archives all across the galaxy, didn't matter. Knowledge is one thing, the extent to which it affects combat ability is another. It positively affects combat ability in some instances, doesn't make much of a difference in others.

The point is we don't know anything about how this knowledge manifested itself on Revan's combat abilties.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Jacen has NO dark side knowledge whatsoever. The only thing he gains from being a sith is battle awareness, and the way he gains the power is absolutely retarded (Thanks LOTF authors).

Revan has holocrons, combined knowledge of Malachor V and Korriban.

Sorry, but Jacen doesn't compare in terms of dark side knowledge.

sad i registered for this post but one things annoying me i like revan and exile the same but a lot of u are saying revan had to kill all these people by himself the exile did as well she took out trayas academy sith marauders sith lords sith assassins ans sion and traya plus 3 floating light sabers thats the same if not more then revan took on by himself so stop saying revan did this and that by himself he has helpers for alot of the last level the exile is by herself for the whole last level if thats not equal to revan then i dnt know what is

Here's to hoping 'The Old Republic' will solve this problem once and for all, as well as give these two some definitive feat. I'm sure I'm not the only one getting annoyed at the inconclusive 'Revan vs' threads.

The Old Republic deals with events some 300 years later, Revan and the Exile will get a mention at best.

Or maybe they get "frozen in stasis".

That would be effin' lame. Since TOR takes place 300 years after the original KotOR, I find it difficult to believe that Revan's actions will have such an immense effect on the world as to necessitate giving further, more specific information about him and his abilities.

Exile easy. Death of the Force....

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
That would be effin' lame. Since TOR takes place 300 years after the original KotOR, I find it difficult to believe that Revan's actions will have such an immense effect on the world as to necessitate giving further, more specific information about him and his abilities.

I think Revan and the Exile had to do something to the sith empire. After kotor 2 there was barely any jedi left, their potential sith rivals in the triumvirate were dead, the mandalorians are trying to rebuild their numbers and the republic was barely surviving. That is the perfect opportunity to attack, it makes no sense for you wait three hundred years so that your enemies can revive the jedi order and rebuild its government/military.

Well, we certainly have no idea what exactly did Revan do in the Unknown Regions that stopped the 'True Sith' from invading Republic space.

Originally posted by Man of Christ
i would say that the exile has done equally impresive feats such as slaughtering all the sith assassins, dark jedi, sith marauder, etc.... then after that having the stamina to kill sion multiple times and then kill traya, then her lightsabers, all by himself. thats pretty impressive. sure malak was in the star forge which boosted his power but sion was at malachor 5 which also boosted him. so they have each done imperssive feats so it comes down to what side theyre on

The Exile is a SHE

Originally posted by alterangel
First off: The Exile is a SHE get it right.

Second off: Kreia did NOT train Revan. She enccountered him and even says that looking at revan was like "staring into the heart of the force"

Third: Revan can manipulate multiple sides of the force from dark to light but i doubt he would dwelve into the dark side in this battle not that he would need to.

Fourth: Revan's force knowledge surpasses the exile due to the exiles limited use through her force bonds. Revan however has accessed many sith holocrons and was the single most powerful Sith during the Mandolorian wars.

P.S. the only reason she trumped scion was not through pure skill but an overwhelming strength of will. So basically she is a good politician. Don't get me wrong i have nothing against the exile and im not a sith fanboy but the exile just cant stand toe to toe with Revan plain and simple

yeah what u said

because sion could have gotten up like 30000 more times and the Exile would someday get tired and slaghtered by sion.
sry for double post

i thnk its a double post unless some1 posted in 5 min...

Originally posted by kotorfan
yeah what u said

because sion could have gotten up like 30000 more times and the Exile would someday get tired and slaghtered by sion.
sry for double post

i thnk its a double post unless some1 posted in 5 min...

I could pull the post you're agreeing with apart, I could pull your post apart, or I could analyze the whole argument, but why bother? BL is over. I might have to go emo for a while to cope with it. At least there's Heroes, but HRG is no substitute for Alan Shore.

No one is on Alan Shore's level. No one. But HRG and a handful of other fictional badasses are on a tier just below him.

"She said greatest student not the most powerful student. And greatest does not equal to strongest.

I'm pretty sure the greatest person will win over the strongest because strength isn't the only thing that you need in a battle.

"She said greatest student not the most powerful student. And greatest does not equal to strongest."

Greatest triumphs over strongest, strength isn't the only thing you need to win in a battle.

Originally posted by Ultra Nihilus
"She said greatest student not the most powerful student. And greatest does not equal to strongest."

Greatest triumphs over strongest, strength isn't the only thing you need to win in a battle.

In a one-on-one duel, strict combat prowess relies not on one's personal achievements in EVERYTHING but on one's ability to fight.

"You're wrong there boyo. Greatest is an ambiguous term and can mean either most powerful, most skilled, most accomplished etc etc.

In a one-on-one duel, strict combat prowess relies not on one's personal achievements in EVERYTHING but on one's ability to fight."

No, strength isn't the only thing that you need to fight. There is skill and speed and in a jedi battle the strongest force user will win.