Originally posted by Robtard
So, they wouldn't be really missing out on too much, just a few marriage tax breaks.
You're both missing the point and being a smart-ass. You're example would violate an in-place law, gays not being able to marry doesn't.
And my original point was comparing this to the 60's is absurd.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You're both missing the point and being a smart-ass. You're example would violate an in-place law, gays not being able to marry doesn't.And my original point was comparing this to the 60's is absurd.
Gays not being able to marry is a violation of equal rights, they're being discriminated against because of sexual preference. Simple fact.
Just because it wasn't illegal to bar blacks from schools and women from jobs prior to the Civil Rights act of 1964, didn't make it right, just or equal, did it?
It's about equal rights, so why not compare it to another (albeit worse) equal rights violation of the past?
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Again u were the one that brought up the f*ing booth in the first place. I said something like this should be let to the people to decide. Whos to say the judge that lifted the ban has a gay lover somewhere and in the long run it benefits him. Defend him, I knowu will!
Yes, I did bring it up. It was a good way to illustrate how you think your opinion should matter to the legality of another person getting married. And I also said you think it's up to you because the media and the politicians have told you it should be. My point is and always has been that it's none of your business. If it were the business of anyone other than the two people involved, then you should remember when your right to get married was an issue placed on a ballot being voted on by people you don't know and who do not know you. If it were the business of anyone other than the two people involved, you should, having gotten married yourself, remember when you asked a complete stranger for his or her opinion on your descision to get married. As it is, you don't seem to recall either of those things happening.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Since u so good at dissecting posts. Look through all mine and tell me when I said they have to ask me or anyone else for that matter for permission.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
As for the booth, U already know my answer.
Originally posted by Devil King
Yes, I do know what you would do in the booth. Again, you are buying into the propoganda that you are to be consulted when it comes to the rights of another human being. Rights are not yours to give or revoke.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
If by me not agreeing with them getting married means not respecting them. I guess I dont.
Nope, you don't respect them because you think they're destroying the sanctity of your marriage and the institution of marriage by daring to want one of their own.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Like I said before, its up to them. I WONT AGREE with it but is up to them. They dont have to like my opinion or not get married because I dont agree with it.
Again, my aim is not for you to change your mind, it's to convey the reality that it is none of your business, despite you having said that you would walk into a voting booth and cast a ballot for the continued prevention of their rights.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
The permission subject was already covered. I dont feel any diffrent than when the ban was still in place. My OPINION on gay marriage still stand!
Yes, it was covered, but I don't recall you explaining to me which strangers granted you and your wife the permission to get married. Your OPINION doesn't need to change. That has not been my intention.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Like I said already, I dont always like their opinion/stand on a particular subject and Im sure they feel the same. Maybe in ur fruity loops world everybody agrees with everybody and nobody has a diffrent opinion.
For the third time in one post, I will tell you that I don't care if you agree or disagree with gay marriage. I will also reiterate that your opinion should not magically give you the right to prevent another person from getting married, and that is exactly what voting on the issue implies.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Im inclined to call u a f*ing moron but im sure u r just too arrogant to understand. Im hispanic. I a lot of this guys. If u knew anything, when u have boys in the street, there aint need to lie. They pretty upfront. Will they be upfront with a cop? Hell no but theres no need to lie to one of the boys, specially when the 2 of u have known each other since kids. This I dont expect u to understand.And frankly thats it. Theres no need to be discussing the subject because neither me nor u will change our stand on the subject,no matter what the other says.
So, there are a lot of rich gay hispanic gang members running the streets? What's hard to understand about lying to a cop and telling your friend the truth?
Oh, and I realize you think you're insulting me by throwing out "fruity" and "fruit cake" every time you referrence homosexuals, but all you're really doing is proving you have no gay friends and really DO have a problem with them.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
He has a point though; you did fly off the handle.Comparing the gay rights movement of today to the Civil Rights movements of the 1960's is ridiculous and an insult to those black people. It isn't even a fair a comparison, Carlos Mencia did a segment a couple years ago saying what I'm saying, and he had two video clips. With the first one he said "This is what happened when black people marched:" and the video was old black-&-white footage of blacks in the street being sprayed by water-cannons and sicked-on by police dogs. In the next clip he said "Now this is what happens when gay people march:" and the video showed a bunch of half-naked gays marching in some San Fransisco street to "I Will Survive" and twirling batons. And Carlos said "Yeah...kind of a difference, right?". And he's right on the money. Other than not being able to get married or join the military, gays aren't really missing out on too much.
You spectacularly miss the point.
There is one glaring and HUGE thing in common. There are rights being withheld! This idea that "well, marriage isn't that big of a deal, so who cares" is bunk. Withholding rights from someone is unacceptable, regardless of the magnitude.
Also, Mencia - a thrid rate comedian - is not a real source to base an argument on. Just because gay people aren't being beaten doesn't mean it's okay to deny them rights.
Originally posted by Schecter
lets see how a gay rights march pans out in kansas or memphis.
It would be a circus in Kansas, because that's home of the WBC.
I think Memphis would be friendlier to it. Memphis is a historical hotspot of social movements, as a matter of fact, its where Dr. King was killed.
Originally posted by Robtard
Gays not being able to marry is a violation of equal rights, they're being discriminated against because of sexual preference. Simple fact.Just because it wasn't illegal to bar blacks from schools and women from jobs prior to the Civil Rights act of 1964, didn't make it right, just or equal, did it?
It's about equal rights, so why not compare it to another (albeit worse) equal rights violation of the past?
Because its an insult to the blacks who were marching in Birmingham in the 60's, and were being beaten by cops and mauled by dogs.
Originally posted by BackFire
You spectacularly miss the point.There is one glaring and HUGE thing in common. There are rights being withheld! This idea that "well, marriage isn't that big of a deal, so who cares" is bunk. Withholding rights from someone is unacceptable, regardless of the magnitude.
It'd be nice if every "what's the big deal, it's just one thing" crowd were to step up and do away with one 'equal righ't they have, be it their marriage rights, right to vote, freedom of speech or what have you.
Originally posted by Quiero MotaBecause its an insult to the blacks who were marching in Birmingham in the 60's, and were being beaten by cops and mauled by dogs.
thats a particular incident and not the culmination of the civil rights movement. civil rights movement: the demanding of a minority to have the same rights bestowed upon them as the majority.
i would like to see a quote where anyone claimed that gays suffer the same abuse from police as those protesters, since that is clearly what you are implying and arguing against.
Originally posted by Quiero MotaBecause its an insult to the blacks who were marching in Birmingham in the 60's, and were being beaten by cops and mauled by dogs.
Odd that you ignore my other two points, oh well.
No one is saying, "gays are worse off than the blacks were", but just, it's a violation of equal rights, like in the past. I fail to see the insult.
Originally posted by Schecter
thats a particular incident and not the culmination of the civil rights movement. civil rights movement: the demanding of a minority to have the same rights bestowed upon them as the majority.i would like to see a quote where anyone claimed that gays suffer the same abuse from police as those protesters, since that is clearly what you are implying and arguing against.
Robtard brought it up, and I pointed out that it was no where equal. Not even close.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Robtard brought it up, and I pointed out that it was no where equal. Not even close.
My response was to the "it's a democracy" comment, which was in response to BF's 'people shouldn't have the right to vote in oppressing people.'
It had nothing to do with me saying "gays are suffering as bad or worse than the blacks did", as you seem to think I did.
Edit: A lesser equal rights violation, is still an equal rights violation. Then again, it could all be subjective, who's to say there isn't a gay couple who couldn't care less about voting, but would really want to be married.
Originally posted by Robtard
So Blacks should go back to being slaves, or at the very least, riding in back of the bus and using a different toilet, because it's a democracy?
he was simply bringing up the point that:
Originally posted by Schecter
"its a democracy" has no place in an ethics debate.
then you went off on a carlos mencia tangent
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
the video showed a bunch of half-naked gays marching in some San Fransisco street to "I Will Survive" and twirling batons.
and that's pretty much all you see when you think of a gay man, isn't it?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Other than not being able to get married or join the military, gays aren't really missing out on too much.
So, other than being equal citizens, they're equal in every way?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And my original point was comparing this to the 60's is absurd.
Why do you think the blacks got all uppity in the 60's?
Always pretty entertaining. It's a prime example of the hypocritical approach of some people, "I'm for one equal rights issue, as long as it isn't against a deity, or something I wouldn't do". ****ing pathetic, equal rights are equal rights - they're not f*cking you, your wife or your post man - why do you care what other people do?
Originally posted by Devil King
and that's pretty much all you see when you think of a gay man, isn't it?
No. I've known gay men who dress, talk and act straight.
He juxtaposed the two clips to make a point.
Originally posted by Devil King
So, other than being equal citizens, they're equal in every way?
Have you ever had to eat in a gay-only section of a restaurant? Drink out of a gay-only fountain? Use a gay-only bathroom? I rest my case.
Your state has legalized gay marriage, and I really don't see you wanting to join the Army, so you have nothing to complain about.
Originally posted by Devil King
Why do you think the blacks got all uppity in the 60's?
Because Plessy v. Ferguson was bullshit.