Originally posted by Darth Vicious
So u have no answer for how hurting somebody really benefits anybody? In what way, shape of form does it benefit them?You were the one that brought up the booth. All I meant is that something of this magnitude should be left out for the people to decide but I guess its better for the Rosies and the Ellens of the world to have a person decide whats right( be it the judge or whoever) than half the country saying they will not stand for that kinda marriage.
The subway comment really makes no sense because before I got married I asked my friends(gay, straight) if it was the right choice. I didnt mind their input. Some like the girl, some didnt. It was a matter of opinion.
The US Constitution gives me the right to say, I dont like gay marriage. It gives me the right to say, Im against it.
And thats that. No matter what u say or how u say it, my opinion wont change.
There is apparently no such thing as a victimless crime and if crime pays...it can't be that hard for you to understand. And I'm not saying the gang members end up living the life of Tony Montana. Most bearly get by, but they use their criminal activities as a means to keep themselves from starving to death.
My knee-jerk reaction is to just call you an idiot for not being able to understand. But, you understand what I'm saying. You just think you have something that others want to take from you. You think rights are yours to give. You suffer from that same arrogant ****ing mindset where you think you can keep your knee on someone's throat until they say uncle.
You claim to have gay friends (which I'm certain is bullshit) for whom you claim to care and respect, yet you have failed to treat them with the dignity or respect anyone else here would extend to their friends. You have no respect for them. You have no concern for their happiness or equality. You like that you think they're second class to you.
You're too ****ing arrogant to understand, I'm not trying to CHANGE your opinion, I'm trying to get you to understand it's important only to YOU. The subway comment makes perfect sense. Sure you asked your friends for advice, but did you ask them for permission? For that matter, did you walk up to a complete stranger and ask him for permission? Or even better still, did you walk up to half a ****ing country of strangers and ask for their permission? No, you didn't do any of those things. Sure the constitution guarentees you can have your opinion (...but you go on thinking you know what it says) but it does not guarentee you the right to hit someone else over the head with it.
And I appreciate you telling me that's that, mr. the man. But I'm not your wife, so I think I won't be telling people I fell down the stairs again.
Originally posted by Devil King
There is apparently no such thing as a victimless crime and if crime pays...it can't be that hard for you to understand. And I'm not saying the gang members end up living the life of Tony Montana. Most bearly get by, but they use their criminal activities as a means to keep themselves from starving to death.My knee-jerk reaction is to just call you an idiot for not being able to understand. But, you understand what I'm saying. You just think you have something that others want to take from you. You think rights are yours to give. You suffer from that same arrogant ****ing mindset where you think you can keep your knee on someone's throat until they say uncle.
You claim to have gay friends (which I'm certain is bullshit) for whom you claim to care and respect, yet you have failed to treat them with the dignity or respect anyone else here would extend to their friends. You have no respect for them. You have no concern for their happiness or equality. You like that you think they're second class to you.
You're too ****ing arrogant to understand, I'm not trying to CHANGE your opinion, I'm trying to get you to understand it's important only to YOU. The subway comment makes perfect sense. Sure you asked your friends for advice, but did you ask them for permission? For that matter, did you walk up to a complete stranger and ask him for permission? Or even better still, did you ask half the ****ing country for their permission? No, you didn't do any of those things. Sure the constitution guarentees you can have your opinion (...but you go on thinking you know what it says) but it does not guarentee you the right to hit someone else over the head with it.
And I appreciate you telling me that's that, mr. the man. But I'm not your wife, so I think I won't be telling people I fell down the stairs again.
Whoah... Why the hissy fit dude?
Originally posted by Devil King
There is apparently no such thing as a victimless crime and if crime pays...it can't be that hard for you to understand. And I'm not saying the gang members end up living the life of Tony Montana. Most bearly get by, but they use their criminal activities as a means to keep themselves from starving to death.My knee-jerk reaction is to just call you an idiot for not being able to understand. But, you understand what I'm saying. You just think you have something that others want to take from you. You think rights are yours to give. You suffer from that same arrogant ****ing mindset where you think you can keep your knee on someone's throat until they say uncle.
You claim to have gay friends (which I'm certain is bullshit) for whom you claim to care and respect, yet you have failed to treat them with the dignity or respect anyone else here would extend to their friends. You have no respect for them. You have no concern for their happiness or equality. You like that you think they're second class to you.
You're too ****ing arrogant to understand, I'm not trying to CHANGE your opinion, I'm trying to get you to understand it's important only to YOU. The subway comment makes perfect sense. Sure you asked your friends for advice, but did you ask them for permission? For that matter, did you walk up to a complete stranger and ask him for permission? Or even better still, did you walk up to half a ****ing country of strangers and ask for their permission? No, you didn't do any of those things. Sure the constitution guarentees you can have your opinion (...but you go on thinking you know what it says) but it does not guarentee you the right to hit someone else over the head with it.
And I appreciate you telling me that's that, mr. the man. But I'm not your wife, so I think I won't be telling people I fell down the stairs again.
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I never said they have to ask for my permission and I never said I asked for their permission. I asked for their OPINION and gave my OPINION on the subject and no matter how u may try to rationalize it to get ur belief that gay people should marry, is not going to change my opinion that GAY MARRIAGE IS A DISGRACE TO THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN. If 2 homosexuals wanna go play house, bake a fruit cake, go ahead but they shouldnt get married.
Do I have to agree with every single thing a friend of mine do because I respect them? Hell no! If they wanna get married, I aint going to stop them but I will tell them that I dont agree with their decision and because I respect them, I will tell them to their face.
As for the gang members, I have never met not one that have said "I think Ill join a gang, beat up people and steal their money because I need to pay some bills". Most the gang members I know(yes, I know a few) get into gangs for either it makes them cool, they protection they think the gang brings and to make money for themselves. For the cars, the jewelry, the clothes etc. Do they give some of that money to their families? Probably but thats not their main reason to do it.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I never said they have to ask for my permission
You do if you think it's up to you, which you clearly do when you walk into a voting booth.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
:and I never said I asked for their permission.
I never said you did. In fact, I said you didn't. But you seem to think gay people should be forced to ask you for permission, which you have clearly stated you would deny them. If you would deny them, then clearly permission is being asked.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
:GAY MARRIAGE IS A DISGRACE
BUT, you apparently
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
:respect them?
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN.
It's sanctified when it's between a man and a woman. But if any of your supposed gay friends want to get married, it's really just
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
play[ing] house [or] bak[ing] a fruit cake
While I'm sure they appreciate your permission in these instances, life involves more than this for most human beings. I bet all your gay friends really appreciate how you feel about them.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Do I have to agree with every single thing a friend of mine do because I respect them? Hell no! If they wanna get married, I aint going to stop them but I will tell them that I dont agree with their decision and because I respect them, I will tell them to their face.
You don't have to agree with them on what they wear, who they want to be president, how much money they invest in stocks, which car insurance to go with, what type of bread to buy or any number of other things. But it would likely help if you agreed they were human beings that deserve the same right you do. And if you'd vote to ban gay marriage, you are stopping them. If these so-called gay friends even exist, I doubt you've told them they're second class to yourself. And if you have and they stuck around, they're desperate friendless idiots.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
:As for the gang members, I have never met not one that have said "I think Ill join a gang, beat up people and steal their money because I need to pay some bills". Most the gang members I know(yes, I know a few) get into gangs for either it makes them cool, they protection they think the gang brings and to make money for themselves. For the cars, the jewelry, the clothes etc. Do they give some of that money to their families? Probably but thats not their main reason to do it.
I'm sure you would honestly ask them why they're in a gang, and more over, I'm sure they'd answer it honestly. In fact, your response shows a clear desire not to understand the point. But, then again, you think your friends are beneath you, so you likely don't have much in the way of scruples.
Originally posted by Devil King
You do if you think it's up to you, which you clearly do when you walk into a voting booth.
I never said you did. In fact, I said you didn't. But you seem to think gay people should be forced to ask you for permission, which you have clearly stated you would deny them. If you would deny them, then clearly permission is being asked.[/B]
Since u so good at dissecting posts. Look through all mine and tell me when I said they have to ask me or anyone else for that matter for permission.
BUT, you apparently[/B]
If by me not agreeing with them getting married means not respecting them. I guess I dont.
It's sanctified when it's between a man and a woman. But if any of your supposed gay friends want to get married, it's really just[/B]
Like I said before, its up to them. I WONT AGREE with it but is up to them. They dont have to like my opinion or not get married because I dont agree with it.
While I'm sure they appreciate your permission in these instances, life involves more than this for most human beings. I bet all your gay friends really appreciate how you feel about them. [/B]
The permission subject was already covered. I dont feel any diffrent than when the ban was still in place. My OPINION on gay marriage still stand!
You don't have to agree with them on what they wear, who they want to be president, how much money they invest in stocks, which car insurance to go with, what type of bread to buy or any number of other things. But it would likely help if you agreed they were human beings that deserve the same right you do. And if you'd vote to ban gay marriage, you are stopping them. If these so-called gay friends even exist, I doubt you've told them they're second class to yourself. And if you have and they stuck around, they're desperate friendless idiots.[/B]
Like I said already, I dont always like their opinion/stand on a particular subject and Im sure they feel the same. Maybe in ur fruity loops world everybody agrees with everybody and nobody has a diffrent opinion.
I'm sure you would honestly ask them why they're in a gang, and more over, I'm sure they'd answer it honestly. In fact, your response shows a clear desire not to understand the point. But, then again, you think your friends are beneath you, so you likely don't have much in the way of scruples. [/B]
Im inclined to call u a f*ing moron but im sure u r just too arrogant to understand. Im hispanic. I a lot of this guys. If u knew anything, when u have boys in the street, there aint need to lie. They pretty upfront. Will they be upfront with a cop? Hell no but theres no need to lie to one of the boys, specially when the 2 of u have known each other since kids. This I dont expect u to understand.
And frankly thats it. Theres no need to be discussing the subject because neither me nor u will change our stand on the subject,no matter what the other says.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Again u were the one that brought up the f*ing booth in the first place. I said something like this should be let to the people to decide. Whos to say the judge that lifted the ban has a gay lover somewhere and in the long run it benefits him. Defend him, I knowu will!
Seriously, you fail to grasp the most simple issue here. It's about EQUAL RIGHTS, not special benefits just for gays. Your little ill founded scenario proves you're an idiot who can't grasp.
Answer me this though, on what grounds should gays not be allowed to marry (i.e denied equal rights)?
Originally posted by Devil King
blow me sock.
He has a point though; you did fly off the handle.
Originally posted by Robtard
So Blacks should go back to being slaves, or at the very least, riding in back of the bus and using a different toilet, because it's a democracy?
Comparing the gay rights movement of today to the Civil Rights movements of the 1960's is ridiculous and an insult to those black people. It isn't even a fair a comparison, Carlos Mencia did a segment a couple years ago saying what I'm saying, and he had two video clips. With the first one he said "This is what happened when black people marched:" and the video was old black-&-white footage of blacks in the street being sprayed by water-cannons and sicked-on by police dogs. In the next clip he said "Now this is what happens when gay people march:" and the video showed a bunch of half-naked gays marching in some San Fransisco street to "I Will Survive" and twirling batons. And Carlos said "Yeah...kind of a difference, right?". And he's right on the money. Other than not being able to get married or join the military, gays aren't really missing out on too much.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Comparing the gay rights movement of today to the Civil Rights movements of the 1960's is ridiculous and an insult to those black people. It isn't even a fair a comparison, Carlos Mencia did a segment a couple years ago saying what I'm saying, and he had two video clips. With the first one he said "This is what happened when black people marched:" and the video was old black-&-white footage of blacks in the street being sprayed by water-cannons and sicked-on by police dogs. In the next clip he said "Now this is what happens when gay people march:" and the video showed a bunch of half-naked gays marching in some San Fransisco street to "I Will Survive" and twirling batons. And Carlos said "Yeah...kind of a difference, right?". And he's right on the money. Other than not being able to get married or join the military, gays aren't really missing out on too much.
Yes, the Blacks had it far worse, agreed. Though I don't see how that's grounds to deny equal rights to gays or say they shouldn't complain, because another group had it worse.
Carlos Menica is anti-funny, imo.
Edit: Let me ask you a question, if Latinos were suddenly denied the same marriage tax breaks, would it be wrong for them to complain about not having equal rights, because aferall, the Blacks had it worse in the past?
Originally posted by Robtard
Edit: Let me ask you a question, if Latinos were suddenly denied the same marriage tax breaks, would it be wrong for them to complain about not having equal rights, because aferall, the Blacks had it worse in the past?
It would be a violation of the 1965 Civil Rights Act.