Originally posted by KadeshAre you stoned? Bastila?
Well that's pretty stupid, considering how Exar literally smashes him in demonstrated mastery and power.And the actual lists, from a combat standpoint, would be:
Jedi:
1. Luke Skywalker/Bastilla Shan.
2. Kyp Durron.
3. Yoda.Sith:
1. Darth Sion.
2. Darth Nihilus.
3. Darth Bane.
Originally posted by Elite Hunter
You included obiwan and excluded Yoda wtf? Kyp Durron and Kyle katarna are also good candidates.
Sorry, I completely forgot Luke's existence for a few minutes.
Exlude Kenobi, then, and include Yoda.
Yes, you are correct, Katarn would also make a fine candidate. I honestly don't know much about Kyp, though.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Sith:1. Nihilius
2. Bane
3. Exar Kun/ Sidious
I said second and third (you may include a fourth), not first.
And, what? Luke Skywalker and Darth Sidious have been canonically stated to be the most powerful. Argue whatever you want, doesn't change a thing. Your list doesn't make sense.
Originally posted by Lt. ValerianNot a single canon source has ever noted Luke to be the most powerful Jedi ever. That's an inference, if a good one.
And, what? Luke Skywalker and Darth Sidious have been canonically stated to be the most powerful.
And Allankles: Vader would definitely not be that high up. On the Sith side, and looking from a combat standpoint, Exar Kun, Jacen Solo, and Darth Bane all have him outclassed in one way or another. Among the Jedi, second and third place would be contested by Kyp Durron and Yoda, although I'm inclined to give it to the latter.
Originally posted by FaunusAnd Allankles: Vader would definitely not be that high up. On the Sith side, and looking from a combat standpoint, Exar Kun, Jacen Solo, and Darth Bane all have him outclassed in one way or another. Among the Jedi, second and third place would be contested by Kyp Durron and Yoda, although I'm inclined to give it to the latter.
I beg to differ on all those names. Bane, Exar and Jacen have not done anything combat wise to put them above Vader. One gets punked by their sister even when he was trying to kill her; even with all his dark side power and knowledge. (So he held off Katarn and a couple other Jedi, that's easily contradicted by losing to one Jaina Solo).
Another never faced anyone more impressive than Ulic or did anything more impressive than killing an old Jedi who used a stick instead of a lightsaber.
And Bane is good but I wouldn't say he was more impressive with his combat displays. TFU will be interesting in shading more light on Vader's already storied legacy. I'll get back to this thread after the game is released.
Originally posted by Faunus
[B]Not a single canon source has ever noted Luke to be the most powerful Jedi ever. That's an inference, if a good one.
No source need to be stated to claim Luke is the most powerful force user in the Star Wars mythos. Sidious however IS the most powerful sith lord, despite the arguments of some and Luke was more powerful than him. Luke being the most powerful is not just an inference, it is a logical conclusion based on all of the evidence.
Originally posted by AllanklesWhen you read PoD, RoT, and/or look up the significant LotF fights on Wookiepedia, get back to me.
I beg to differ on all those names. Bane, Exar and Jacen have not done anything combat wise to put them above Vader.
One gets punked by their sister even when he was trying to kill her; even with all his dark side power and knowledge. (So he held off Katarn and a couple other Jedi, that's easily contradicted by losing to one Jaina Solo).Except he wasn't trying to kill her. He tried to walk out at least twice, IIRC. Never mind the fact that she stabbed him through the abdomen before they even started dueling, and he responded by knocking her away like a toy. His superiority in the Force was significant, and his dueling skills allowed him to go toe-to-toe with a pissed off Luke Skywalker.
Not to mention that the back cover of Invincible calls him one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time, and the inside flap notes that his command of the Force has surpassed Darth Vader's. In those words.
So yeah. He's better, this isn't even debatable.
Another never faced anyone more impressive than Ulic or did anything more impressive than killing an old Jedi who used a stick instead of a lightsaber."Another" happens to have access to an amulet capable of blowing through temple walls and disintegrating Sith monstrosities, spirits, and Dark side-imbued warriors. "Another" also managed to freeze in place every single non-Force-sensitive being in the Senate while he walked up to the Chancellor and basically ripped into and controlled his mind.
And Bane is good but I wouldn't say he was more impressive with his combat displays. TFU will be interesting in shading more light on Vader's already storied legacy. I'll get back to this thread after the game is released.Again; PoD and RoT. Or, go the VS section and look at some of what's been discussed already.
I don't think that any of the three would win with anything resembling ease, but each of them will almost certainly best him in combat. Kun's the only one you could really question there.
Edit: DS, I never argued that, as I thought I made clear. I was correcting Valerian because he said it is "canon fact," when all it is is a logical conclusion.
Well, actually, they are right that Luke was never stated to be the most powerful Jedi ever... but it's true... sadly. Lolz.
Jedi:
2. Yoda
3. Mace Windu
Sith:
2. Bane
3. Nihilus (Although, from a combat standpoint, he wasn't particularly impressive, his uber force drain is just almost unrivaled in terms of world-affecting force powers)
Any WTF? Bastila, the strongest Jedi? Is that a friggin' joke?
It's almost as NOT FUNNY as Sion being the strongest Sith. Sidious, Bane, Kun, and the likes will smash him to little pieces...