Thanos & Darkseid Vs. All-Star Superman

Originally posted by horrorwolf
All Star Superman is not taking either of these two together.

And this is a spite thread.

I don't remember the comics ever saying that Drax has Thanos kryptonite energy though considering it was green, it would be funny if the energy WAS technically the same as kryptonite. 🙂

No reason any other energy manipulator couldn't replicate it if that was the case. Nobody else has tried.

Interesting how Thanos and Darkseid died in the same manner. Remove the heart...and they die.

All star is strong enough to KO either one of these guys solo. Together though, I don't see why they couldn't find a way to defeat him.

Originally posted by Avlon
I don't remember the comics ever saying that Drax has Thanos kryptonite energy though considering it was green, it would be funny if the energy WAS technically the same as kryptonite. 🙂

No reason any other energy manipulator couldn't replicate it if that was the case. Nobody else has tried.

Interesting how Thanos and Darkseid died in the same manner. Remove the heart...and they die.

All star is strong enough to KO either one of these guys solo. Together though, I don't see why they couldn't find a way to defeat him.

Originally posted by Avlon
I don't remember the comics ever saying that Drax has Thanos kryptonite energy though considering it was green, it would be funny if the energy WAS technically the same as kryptonite. 🙂

No reason any other energy manipulator couldn't replicate it if that was the case. Nobody else has tried.

Interesting how Thanos and Darkseid died in the same manner. Remove the heart...and they die.

All star is strong enough to KO either one of these guys solo. Together though, I don't see why they couldn't find a way to defeat him.

Andy Schmidt, editor of Annihilation:

"He was built to destroy Thanos. I thought we covered it in today's issue. We put it as simply as possible--something about him being a silver bullet. And the closer he got to Thanos, the more focused on Thanos he became and the more that "silver bullet" ability/thing powered up. "

"But yeah, pretty much no one else could do it."

"Yes. That is what happened. Essentially (and no, I'm never going to say this in an actual comic book because it's too on the nose) part of Drax's programming is to continue to modify/improve/update his power-set until he gets the job done. He's had powers that were ineffective in the past (power blasts and flight) and so he was reconfigured in the cacoon with the right combination of elements to kill Thanos. He lost the ineffective ones, repaired his mind, and built in some new ones that are more effective on Thanos and his force field and such. All of that coupled with Thanos being distracted led to Thanos' demise."

There are several more comments on this though, but these should suffice.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Andy Schmidt, editor of Annihilation:

"He was built to destroy Thanos. I thought we covered it in today's issue. We put it as simply as possible--something about him being a silver bullet. And the closer he got to Thanos, the more focused on Thanos he became and the more that "silver bullet" ability/thing powered up. "

"But yeah, pretty much no one else could do it."

"Yes. That is what happened. Essentially (and no, I'm never going to say this in an actual comic book because it's too on the nose) part of Drax's programming is to continue to modify/improve/update his power-set until he gets the job done. He's had powers that were ineffective in the past (power blasts and flight) and so he was reconfigured in the cacoon with the right combination of elements to kill Thanos. He lost the ineffective ones, repaired his mind, and built in some new ones that are more effective on Thanos and his force field and such. All of that coupled with Thanos being distracted led to Thanos' demise."

There are several more comments on this though, but these should suffice.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Surfer can manipulate energy and cant do what Drax did to Thanos. Plus it was a cheapshot. Darkseid had his heart removed during a fair fight while Thanos had his shield bypassed due to Drax's unique situation. No one else could replicate this.

Darkseid was killed by an Orion rezzed by the Source not to mention the whole prophecy deal.

Prophecy laid down by God is equal at the bare minimum to what Kronos did to Drax in making him the Anti-Thanos. 😬

Originally posted by redhotrash
Amazing how Gamora can out speed Thanos and make him bleed yet AS Supes who moves faster than light speed and basically has no strength limit cant. I like Thanos and all but stop being a mark

Sparring match.

Moves faster than light, ability to amp strength to unknown limits. Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, SS got slapped into the ground.

I like Superman and all, but stop being a mark.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Originally posted by redhotrash
Amazing how Gamora can out speed Thanos and make him bleed yet AS Supes who moves faster than light speed and basically has no strength limit cant. I like Thanos and all but stop being a mark

1. Can move light speed but just like Flash still requires time and space to do so.
2. Ability to amp strength - true, but at the cost of depletion of stored solar energies.

Thanos - a cosmic eternal capable of true self sustenance and matter manipulation. These abilities come into play huge here.

Superman loses here 10/10.
I won't bother even going into what a truly non-jobbing version of DS is capable of.

Edit - wrong quote.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
1. Can move light speed but just like Flash still requires time and space to do so.
2. Ability to amp strength - true, but at the cost of depletion of stored solar energies.

Thanos - a cosmic eternal capable of true self sustenance and matter manipulation. These abilities come into play huge here.

Superman loses here 10/10.
I won't bother even going into a true non-jobbing version of DS is capable of.

Surfer has the ability to constantly draw energy from the cosmos, but that isn't important here.

Thanos also has access to the PC, which can allow him to overload AS Superman with solar radiation. I don't even need to speak of DS, whose energy output is higher than Thanos'.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Surfer has the ability to constantly draw energy from the cosmos, but that isn't important here.

Thanos also has access to the PC, which can allow him to overload AS Superman with solar radiation. I don't even need to speak of DS, whose energy output is higher than Thanos'.

✅ - on occasion. again DS is inconsistant.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

Darkseid was killed by an Orion rezzed by the Source not to mention the whole prophecy deal.

Prophecy laid down by God is equal at the bare minimum to what Kronos did to Drax in making him the Anti-Thanos. 😬

There was also a father son clause that prevented Darkseid from killing Yuga but this clause wasnt strong enough to keep Orion from ripping his heart out in a FAIR fight.

😛

Thanos gets to much love here.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Andy Schmidt, editor of Annihilation:

"He was built to destroy Thanos. I thought we covered it in today's issue. We put it as simply as possible--something about him being a silver bullet. And the closer he got to Thanos, the more focused on Thanos he became and the more that "silver bullet" ability/thing powered up. "

"But yeah, pretty much no one else could do it."

"Yes. That is what happened. Essentially (and no, I'm never going to say this in an actual comic book because it's too on the nose) part of Drax's programming is to continue to modify/improve/update his power-set until he gets the job done. He's had powers that were ineffective in the past (power blasts and flight) and so he was reconfigured in the cacoon with the right combination of elements to kill Thanos. He lost the ineffective ones, repaired his mind, and built in some new ones that are more effective on Thanos and his force field and such. All of that coupled with Thanos being distracted led to Thanos' demise."

There are several more comments on this though, but these should suffice.

The only problem with this is that editors/writers always have their opinion. For example.

Joe Casey:

JOE CASEY: I've always seen Superman as this completely over-the-top, fantastic character who has *no* limits whatsoever. He's an icon, an idea, a concept... and I didn't want to spend time adhering to Handbook-style stats when it came to his abilities.

* * * * * Pardon? Superman has no limits whatsoever? Yeah, right. And he’s "millions of times stronger than Thor," too. I learned my lesson the last time: Pros can be just like fans … in love with their favorite characters and prone to demonstrating that love by speaking in poetic, larger-than-life terms about the objects of their affection. It’s happy, harmless hyperbole—there’s nothing odious about it, it’s endearing, actually. But it’s not to be taken literally, right? I’m mean, sure, Casey did tell me that, when it comes to Superman, "Let's just say Superman gets one helluva power upgrade when *I'm* writing his adventures," but there’s still gotta be a limit, yeah? I mean, come on … with no limits, Superman would be unbeatable, but that can’t be what Casey meant, can it? I mean, even Casey’s most powerful incarnation of Superman—the one who went mentally AWOL in ADVENTURES 594 and then tore through an army of previously-unbeatable foes "with little resistance"—even that Superman has his limits, right? So, I started thinking up names—names of characters who, according to this guy or that gal or the hermie over there, could certainly give even that Superman a defeat (even if I, personally, didn’t think so). And then I asked Casey point blank: "Who can beat Superman when he goes into that unconscious ‘Probe-busting mode’ as he did in ADVENTURES 594?"

And then I threw out the names, and assumed he’d think I was just being silly: RC: Juggernaut? Doomsday? Galactus? No one short of Imperiex himself? * * * * * And then he laid down the law, simple as that. * * * * *

JOE CASEY: At that point, Superman is unbeatable. Had he not snapped out of it when Doomsday got fried, he might’ve been able to stop Imperiex right then and there.

Writers say those type of things all the time.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

Darkseid was killed by an Orion rezzed by the Source not to mention the whole prophecy deal.

Prophecy laid down by God is equal at the bare minimum to what Kronos did to Drax in making him the Anti-Thanos. 😬

Not just that, but in another thread he claimed that because energy looked alike then it should be assumed that they are the same. Well, The energy that Drax produced looked like kryptonite.

By Quan's logic, they are the same. Thanos had time to ask questions, put up a shield and was still killed. There was NO cheapshot there.

He died in the same way DS did, his heart was ripped out. 🙂

Originally posted by Avlon
The only problem with this is that editors/writers always have their opinion. For example.

Joe Casey:

Writers say those type of things all the time.

Originally posted by Avlon
Not just that, but in another thread he claimed that because energy looked alike then it should be assumed that they are the same. Well, The energy that Drax produced looked like kryptonite.

By Quan's logic, they are the same. Thanos had time to ask questions, put up a shield and was still killed. There was NO cheapshot there.

He died in the same way DS did, his heart was ripped out. 🙂

Thanos was busy trying to free Galactus and didnt face his opponent. Context. Darkseid had him heart torn out because he wasnt the better man. Thanos lost due to a cheapshot and the fact that Drax was MADE to kill Thanos. Note the differences.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There are two different things here. One is Supermans power level and the other is Drax being the silver bullet to Thanos meaning no energy manipulator can accomplish this feat. Stated black and white. No one accomplished this prior to Drax either and he has beaten silly the Surfer time and time again.

Both are writers opinion. They mean as little as yours.

I thought I read the "silver bullet thing" from Drax in panel during Annihilation. Not sure though.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So if it is the same color it looks knite it is similar?Huh?

Your logic in another thread. You swore by it. If it looks alike...then it must be the same. Don't try and backpedal out of it now.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was busy trying to free Galactus and didnt face his opponent. Context. Darkseid had him heart torn out because he wasnt the better man. Thanos lost due to a cheapshot and the fact that Drax was MADE to kill Thanos. Note the differences.

Then Thanos by your opinion is an idiot since he didn't face his opponent. He looked pretty damn scared too. He addressed Drax and put up a shield...and still got killed.

Darkseid faced his son.

Both got killed by having their hearts ripped out.

Also, once started, the process to freed Galactus couldn't end. Read Annihilation, really.