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Originally posted by Placidity
^ I didnt know he could do that with SS...Plus, NC can teleport multiple times in a second.
Even without teleportation, NC is just as fast as SM, AND he has 2 swords.
Something to consider...
Well, I'm still happy one person replied to this thread ^^
NC is just as agile (maybe slightly more) but never just as fast. And what is a second to someone who can see bullets in slow motion. The SS prevents Spidey from ever getting hit. This is because it both warns him and guides him before the attack is even launched. Thus it is impossible for NC to even touch Spidey (even if he is just as fast).
Originally posted by h1a8
NC is just as agile (maybe slightly more) but never just as fast. And what is a second to someone who can see bullets in slow motion. The SS prevents Spidey from ever getting hit. This is because it both warns him and guides him before the attack is even launched. Thus it is impossible for NC to even touch Spidey (even if he is just as fast).
Do you have any scans that show SM sees bullets in slow motion?
I don't think anyone knows exactly how SS works, but I do know that saying SS never allows SM to ever get hit is grossly incorrect, or do you need scans showing you how many times in his comic history that he has been hit?
Not to mention, NC teleports to another dimension before coming back, so its quite possible that SS won't be that effective. But thats just my speculation.
I don't know why you think NC is not as fast as Spidey...
Anyway, here are some speed feats of NC
NC teleporting in and out to save someone from being shot, after the shots are fired.
You're gonna love these ones...
Scans shows a few things.
* SS cannot always save him from being hit.
* NC is fast enough to hit him
* SS will not neutralize teleportation blitz
* NC is strong enough to hurt spidey
* NC can tolerate a few punches from Spidey
and most importantly,
this match is NOT a curbstomp like you imply.
Another time when they encountered one another. Scans don't work look in Respect Spider-Man thread look under battles.
Spider-Man vs X-Men
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Originally posted by Placidity
Do you have any scans that show SM sees bullets in slow motion?I don't think anyone knows exactly how SS works, but I do know that saying SS never allows SM to ever get hit is grossly incorrect, or do you need scans showing you how many times in his comic history that he has been hit?
Not to mention, NC teleports to another dimension before coming back, so its quite possible that SS won't be that effective. But thats just my speculation.
I don't know why you think NC is not as fast as Spidey...
Anyway, here are some speed feats of NC
NC teleporting in and out to save someone from being shot, after the shots are fired.
You're gonna love these ones...
Scans shows a few things.
* SS cannot always save him from being hit.
* NC is fast enough to hit him
* SS will not neutralize teleportation blitz
* NC is strong enough to hurt spidey
* NC can tolerate a few punches from Spideyand most importantly,
this match is NOT a curbstomp like you imply.
Sorry but actual fights hold no water if they contradict the truth.
Spidey has SS. This alone makes it impossible for NC to even touch him. So please, no more battle scans that show things that can't happen.
Only true SM fans know how his SS works. It warns him before the attack is even thrown and also guides him to the way of safety.
It also sometimes jerk his body (without his knowledge) out of the way of danger. The more deadly the attack the more stronger his SS acts. That is why Spidey can dodge multiple lasers that are homed to him easily.
And SM has before fought beings that can teleport or were very fast. He used the SS to determine the location they will be in in X time. He did this same tactic to web CA's bouncing shield.
And it doesn't matter how many times SM has gotten hit for they were all low showings. And low showings are against the rules of a character fighting at their best. Defn: A showing is a low showing if many higher ones exists. Spidey dodging bullets and lasers many times are higher than him getting hit by NC's attacks.
NC's durability is not even peak human. Spidey will punch a hole in his furry butt (if Spidey was fighting to kill that is).
Spidey's spider sense's effectiveness is questionable against teleporting. I believe the Spot's attacks are harder for Spidey to dodge because they come from another dimension, via the spots, and don't trigger his spider sense because of that. And that is exactly how Nightcrawler teleports.
Still, there's the point of Spider-man dodged that bullet when it was like 6 inches from his body. That's powerful fast.
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
Spidey's spider sense's effectiveness is questionable against teleporting. I believe the Spot's attacks are harder for Spidey to dodge because they come from another dimension, via the spots, and don't trigger his spider sense because of that. And that is exactly how Nightcrawler teleports.Still, there's the point of Spider-man dodged that bullet when it was like 6 inches from his body. That's powerful fast.
SM had used his SS to know where spot was when he was teleporting and he used it to beat him to the punch. Remember?
Also you make a good point about Spidey dodging a bullet from several inches away. I consider bullets faster than a NC attack (after he materializes).
Originally posted by h1a8
SM had used his SS to know where spot was when he was teleporting and he used it to beat him to the punch. Remember?
Also you make a good point about Spidey dodging a bullet from several inches away. I consider bullets faster than a NC attack (after he materializes).
Originally posted by h1a8
Sorry but actual fights hold no water if they contradict the truth.
Spidey has SS. This alone makes it impossible for NC to even touch him. So please, no more battle scans that show things that can't happen.Only true SM fans know how his SS works. It warns him before the attack is even thrown and also guides him to the way of safety.
It also sometimes jerk his body (without his knowledge) out of the way of danger. The more deadly the attack the more stronger his SS acts. That is why Spidey can dodge multiple lasers that are homed to him easily.And SM has before fought beings that can teleport or were very fast. He used the SS to determine the location they will be in in X time. He did this same tactic to web CA's bouncing shield.
And it doesn't matter how many times SM has gotten hit for they were all low showings. And low showings are against the rules of a character fighting at their best. Defn: A showing is a low showing if many higher ones exists. Spidey dodging bullets and lasers many times are higher than him getting hit by NC's attacks.
NC's durability is not even peak human. Spidey will punch a hole in his furry butt (if Spidey was fighting to kill that is).
You're absolutely right -In the 2nd episode of the story you took those scans from Spiderman gets beaten up and knocked out by 2 of Jigswaw's cheap thugs. (Something I mentioined in the Spiderman vs Captain America H2H thread several times) Whoever wrote that story clearly knew nothing about Spiderman or was just determined to make him look bad.
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
Is it enough though? Probably not. Everyone dodges bullets. Not always from that close, but still.
Exactly, its pretty much the standard way used in alot of comics to show how agile a character is (sometimes even beyond the character's abilities).
I mean if someone can dodge a bullet (e.g NC), even though its not from as close as SM, they should be able to have a fair fight. Saying how NC won't even be able to touch him isn't right.
Originally posted by h1a8
Sorry but actual fights hold no water if they contradict the truth.
That statement doesn't even makes sense in the context that you're trying to use it. "Contradict the truth"... What truth? The predetermined truth that you've already set that NC can't even touch SM? and therefore any other evidence is a contradiction to your truth?
Wrong, the truth is evidence, and evidence is taken from the comics, not because someone says so.
Originally posted by h1a8
Spidey has SS. This alone makes it impossible for NC to even touch him. So please, no more battle scans that show things that can't happen.
Uh huh, NC can't touch SM. It can't happen because you said so (see above).
Originally posted by h1a8
Only true SM fans know how his SS works. It warns him before the attack is even thrown and also guides him to the way of safety.
It also sometimes jerk his body (without his knowledge) out of the way of danger. The more deadly the attack the more stronger his SS acts. That is why Spidey can dodge multiple lasers that are homed to him easily.
lol, "only true SM fans".... Yer, everyone already knows about what you posted up. That's explaining "what" the SS does, no one knows exactly "how" it works. See the difference?
Originally posted by h1a8And it doesn't matter how many times SM has gotten hit for they were all low showings. And low showings are against the rules of a character fighting at their best. Defn: A showing is a low showing if many higher ones exists. Spidey dodging bullets and lasers many times are higher than him getting hit by NC's attacks.
So pretty much Spiderman being hit is a "low showing"? He gets hit regularly lol. NC can dodge bullets aswell, but I don't think you want to take that into account... talk about "low showing". If anything, NC would be the one better at "not getting hit".
And SM has before fought beings that can teleport or were very fast. He used the SS to determine the location they will be in in X time. He did this same tactic to web CA's bouncing shield.
Proof please. And what did you not understand about how NC travels into another dimension?
Originally posted by h1a8
Sorry but actual fights hold no water if they contradict the truth.
Spidey has SS. This alone makes it impossible for NC to even touch him. So please, no more battle scans that show things that can't happen.Only true SM fans know how his SS works. It warns him before the attack is even thrown and also guides him to the way of safety.
It also sometimes jerk his body (without his knowledge) out of the way of danger. The more deadly the attack the more stronger his SS acts. That is why Spidey can dodge multiple lasers that are homed to him easily.And SM has before fought beings that can teleport or were very fast. He used the SS to determine the location they will be in in X time. He did this same tactic to web CA's bouncing shield.
And it doesn't matter how many times SM has gotten hit for they were all low showings. And low showings are against the rules of a character fighting at their best. Defn: A showing is a low showing if many higher ones exists. Spidey dodging bullets and lasers many times are higher than him getting hit by NC's attacks.
NC's durability is not even peak human. Spidey will punch a hole in his furry butt (if Spidey was fighting to kill that is).
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Originally posted by PlacidityThe truth is definitely taken not only from the comics but from writer's opinions, official power set, and official bios. The truth is that Spidey can dodge bullets before or after they are fired. This is the truth. Not my truth but thee truth. With that truth says that NC can't touch him.
That statement doesn't even makes sense in the context that you're trying to use it. "Contradict the truth"... What truth? The predetermined truth that you've already set that NC can't even touch SM? and therefore any other evidence is a contradiction to your truth?
But guess what? The truth is still the truth regardless of who says it.
Wrong, the truth is evidence, and evidence is taken from the comics, not because someone says so.
It can't happen because it is the truth. Me saying so is of no consequence.
Uh huh, NC can't touch SM. It can't happen because you said so (see above).
Doesn't matter how it works. As long as it warns before the attack is launched and guides Spidey to safety then he shouldn't get hit by NC period.lol, "only true SM fans".... Yer, everyone already knows about what you posted up. That's explaining "what" the SS does, no one knows exactly "how" it works. See the difference?
Doesn't matter if Spidey gets hit a billion trillon times, they are still low showings by definition (because higher ones exist). A character fighting to his best abilities is the rules.
So pretty much Spiderman being hit is a "low showing"? He gets hit regularly lol. NC can dodge bullets aswell, but I don't think you want to take that into account... talk about "low showing". If anything, NC would be the one better at "not getting hit".
And spot also travels to another dimension. Yet SM used his SS to pop him when he was teleporting. The thing is this is moot anyway. Why? Because when NC materializes he will try to hit Spidey. And the SS will then warn Spidey. If Spidey can dodge bullets from inches away then he can dodge NC when he tries to attack Spidey after materialization.
Proof please. And what did you not understand about how NC travels into another dimension?
Originally posted by h1a8
The truth is definitely taken not only from the comics but from writer's opinions, official power set, and official bios. The truth is that Spidey can dodge bullets before or after they are fired. This is the truth. Not my truth but thee truth. With that truth says that NC can't touch him.
But guess what? The truth is still the truth regardless of who says it.
Ok, I get what you are saying now. But NC has been shown that he is fast enought to dodge bullets aswell. With this feat in mind, he should be able to at least "touch" spiderman irregardless of whether he wins or not.
