Originally posted by Raoul
you've been told to stop with the sock accusations. you haven't. that's an official warning.
Sheesh now we get warnings for simply saying quotes are misleading.
Originally posted by Air LegendSo what you're saying is that you just happened to have posts from a thread which hasn't been posted in since late November by a poster who's been banned since mid January? 🙄
What the hell? I didn't accuse anyone of anything. I said "these are terribly misleading" as in those statements are terribly misleading. LT has the same authority now as he did then. Read issue 6 of SW II when Beyonder describes the LT's role in the Marvel Universe.Sheesh now we get warnings for simply saying quotes are misleading.
Anyway, think about having fangirl101 on ignore and please stop with the "comparisons". Thanks.
Originally posted by GN.Sounds about right. people post scans,links, and interviews supporting their opinion while fangirl ignores it completely and goes about her business. People who ignore evidence you simply cant debate with. You can try but they wont learn a thing.
So to win a debate you have to ignore all facts and make your own crazy theory's? 🙄
Originally posted by Air LegendI agree with your interpretation.
Ok. Your first remark is nullified by your second statement, because your second statement implies that Lucifer is also more powerful than Yahweh. Anyways...What in the fallacious and word-twisting interpretation of the events that occurred?!?
First of all, Yahweh never said Lucifer surpassed his own function. This is what actually happened on panel.
Lucifer: Was this [B]my function
, then?Yahweh: You escaped your function. That's exactly why I want to know you better.
What is Lucifer talking about when he says "function"?
What does Yahweh mean when he says Lucifer escaped his function? Yahweh means that Lucifer escaped the (Yahweh's) plan. He doesn't mean that Lucifer surpassed the boundaries of omnipotence. That's a straight up comedic and illogical extrapolation. [/B]
Originally posted by fangirl101
you CLEARLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND.Thanos with the heart is Superior to the classic beyonder.
The LT when facing the beyonder was only judge over a multiverse.
He is judge over the omniverse now and he FACED the more powerful Thanos without shaking in his boots. Get it? Got it? good.
😆 Why do you think they rectonned The Beyonder and The Brothers. It was to fix the hieracy and make LT the strongest.
Also give me scans that prove the HOTU is WAY stronger then the Beyonder. Oh wait there arent any. 😂
Why do people keep to debate retconned characters ? Don't they get the point of a retcon ? They were never that powerfull. They were ridiculous characters to begin with.
"He's .. like .. MILIONS OF TIMES MORE POWERFULL THAN THE WHOLE MULTIVERSE COMBINED !!11".
"His Universe is so much bigger than the INFINITE prime Multiverse that it's like a droplet of water to the ocean !!!111" (And then the poster actually proceds to state aproximatley how many droplets of water are in the ocean, saying that Beyonder's Multiverse is that big in comparison to the prime multiverse 😂 )
"Jim Shooter stated that he was like God before Genesis !!!111" (Hmm .. since we are on the subject of Beyonder and what writers say, am I the only one who remembers the writer of Countdown saying that he would put Prime against anyone except probably Beyonder ? 😂 )
Seriously, and despite what the other posters think I'm not trying to insult, it's this childish style of debating that just makes comic readers look bad. Sometimes in debates you have to use common sense. You don't see me saying that Mxy goes into the real world and does something to win every battle.
Not to mention using what Living Tribunal did after the retcon to make the pre-Retcon characters to look more powerfull. And Living Tribunal along with the others fearing Beyonder and being desperate ? I hope I'm not the only one seeing how stupid this is.
With that said, yeah, this is probably my last post in a discussion where a retconned character is involved since to me, like it should be to everyone else, he is non-existent and thus shouldn't be used in this kind of discussions.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Not to mention using what Living Tribunal did after the retcon to make the pre-Retcon characters to look more powerfull. And Living Tribunal along with the others fearing Beyonder and being desperate ? I hope I'm not the only one seeing how stupid this is.
Why would this be stupid? He was designed to be a TOAA.
no he wasnt. he died remember. and if i remember correctly, he was also repelled by the power of a shaman in a wood or sumthing on earth who called upon some cosmic powers. and i agree with this, LT does so and so AFTER he has been retconned to be greater than a simple imcomplete cosmic cube{the beyonder} hence the unretconned beyonder was ABOVE the new feat of LT. its really silly. doesnt matter, lucifer owns.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
no he wasnt. he died remember. and if i remember correctly, he was also repelled by the power of a shaman in a wood or sumthing on earth who called upon some cosmic powers. and i agree with this, LT does so and so AFTER he has been retconned to be greater than a simple imcomplete cosmic cube{the beyonder} hence the unretconned beyonder was ABOVE the new feat of LT. its really silly. doesnt matter, lucifer owns.
Seriously wtf are you talking about in the first part of your post? Hell even your second part is barley making sense to me. And what above the new feat of LT.
Seriously what are you talking about?
Originally posted by leonheartmmI agree. Using feats after a RETCONN are stupid.I mean if you look at it, how would the LT be able to do all of those wonderful feats if the retcon never happened? He would always be 3rd to the beyonder and the molecule man. His judgements would mean nothing. Everything he's done after the retcon wouldn't have happened or wouldn't mean anything since two others could simply over rule or over power him. Thus using the LT's showings after the retcon to make the classic beyonder and the classic molecule man more powerful is childish, fanboyish, and illogical.
no he wasnt. he died remember. and if i remember correctly, he was also repelled by the power of a shaman in a wood or sumthing on earth who called upon some cosmic powers. and i agree with this, LT does so and so AFTER he has been retconned to be greater than a simple imcomplete cosmic cube{the beyonder} hence the unretconned beyonder was ABOVE the new feat of LT. its really silly. doesnt matter, lucifer owns.
The funny thing is that I've already had this discussion and using post-Retcon evidence, nobody is able to prove that the Brothers are the embodiments of 2 Megaverses. So it's an attempt to make a pre-retcon character stronger, by using a post-retcon character's feats which are based on another pre-retcon statement. 😂
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
The funny thing is that I've already had this discussion and using post-Retcon evidence, nobody is able to prove that the Brothers are the embodiments of 2 Megaverses. So it's an attempt to make a pre-retcon character stronger, by using a post-retcon character's feats which are based on another pre-retcon statement. 😂
Pre-recton Brothers where embodiement of there multiverse. You do know a Megaverse is smaller then a Multiverse?
^lmao, a multiverse is made up of multiple or usually infinite universes connected to each other. a megaverse is made up all the realities/dimensions/voids in a single comic book publishe reality including multiverse{hence it is bigger than a multiverse technically}. the omniverse is the compilation of all realities of all comic book publishers and tv shows and media combined.
Originally posted by Erik-LensherrIf you feel that debating a retconned character is silly then stay out of the thread. To come in here and call this debating silly is kinda spam. I dont go in threads I feel that are silly and stupid and take up a long post describing how moronic and silly they are.
Why do people keep to debate retconned characters ? Don't they get the point of a retcon ? They were [b]never that powerfull. They were ridiculous characters to begin with."He's .. like .. MILIONS OF TIMES MORE POWERFULL THAN THE WHOLE MULTIVERSE COMBINED !!11".
"His Universe is so much bigger than the INFINITE prime Multiverse that it's like a droplet of water to the ocean !!!111" (And then the poster actually proceds to state aproximatley how many droplets of water are in the ocean, saying that Beyonder's Multiverse is that big in comparison to the prime multiverse 😂 )
"Jim Shooter stated that he was like God before Genesis !!!111" (Hmm .. since we are on the subject of Beyonder and what writers say, am I the only one who remembers the writer of Countdown saying that he would put Prime against anyone except probably Beyonder ? 😂 )
Seriously, and despite what the other posters think I'm not trying to insult, it's this childish style of debating that just makes comic readers look bad. Sometimes in debates you have to use common sense. You don't see me saying that Mxy goes into the real world and does something to win every battle.
Not to mention using what Living Tribunal did after the retcon to make the pre-Retcon characters to look more powerfull. And Living Tribunal along with the others fearing Beyonder and being desperate ? I hope I'm not the only one seeing how stupid this is.
With that said, yeah, this is probably my last post in a discussion where a retconned character is involved since to me, like it should be to everyone else, he is non-existent and thus shouldn't be used in this kind of discussions. [/B]
And its just your opinion that it makes comic book readers look bad anyways. Take it easy this all just fun in the end. 🙂
Originally posted by leonheartmmI cant understand this at all.
no he wasnt. he died remember. and if i remember correctly, he was also repelled by the power of a shaman in a wood or sumthing on earth who called upon some cosmic powers. and i agree with this, LT does so and so AFTER he has been retconned to be greater than a simple imcomplete cosmic cube{the beyonder} hence the unretconned beyonder was ABOVE the new feat of LT. its really silly. doesnt matter, lucifer owns.
