Silver Surfer vs. The Flash (Wally)

Started by llagrok12 pages
Originally posted by Mindset
Oh, I didn't know basic knowledge would cover that. In that case SS mindrapes him as soon as the fight starts.

Flash moves way faster than that :/

Read up.

Originally posted by llagrok
Flash moves way faster than that :/

Read up.

"I move faster than light, but a hell of a slot slower than thought."

His words, not mine.

Originally posted by Mindset
"I move faster than light, but a hell of a slot slower than thought."

His words, not mine.

Feats say otherwise.

Originally posted by llagrok
Feats say otherwise.

Not that one.

Do you have another feat where he beat a telepath after they saw him before they could do anything?

Originally posted by Mindset
Not that one.

Do you have another feat where he beat a telepath after they saw him before they could do anything?

Nope.

There are plenty of scans of him moving vast distances before people can think, or others would have time to formulate a thought. But hey, he didn't kill Gorilla Grodd, so I guess that counts for nothing.

Ignore.

Originally posted by llagrok
Nope.

There are plenty of scans of him moving vast distances before people can think, or others would have time to formulate a thought. But hey, he didn't kill Gorilla Grodd, so I guess that counts for nothing.

Ignore.

Ok, let me put it this way.

Has he ever faced a character who was able to move and react at lightspeed or superluminal speeds and also had telepathy, has he ever shown the ability to speed blitz someone like that?

Holding back and not killing Grodd doesn't really matter, SS is both vastly faster and more durable than Grodd, I was focusing on Grodd's telepathy.

But you seem to think Flash can steal SS' speed, give him an imp before SS can use telepathy...

lol,
Flash hasn't a chance at all.

Surfer covers half the universe in seconds or less, can think and process information at those speeds - map star systems, analyse and make note of changes etc without missing a beat - Flash literally can not do a thing at all.

Originally posted by Sirius77
What I'm saying is that perhaps his cosmic awareness guided him, or at least gave him the information he needed. It is a lot more practical than searching the entire earth. I haven't seen the scasn in a while, actually I would like to see it again. iirc, he was just gone and then back again. It was never shown on panel what he did. Just implied.

From the SS respect thread:

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...nual0508tc4.jpg

It isn't explicitly stated that he physically searched the earth, but I think that it's an ambiguous feat either way. Doesn't mean that it isn't a very good one though.

Scan doesnt work. And he searched off panel. We don't know what he did, but the fact that he has cosmic awareness highly implies that he didnt have to physically search it. Either way, it's off panel, so no one can say for sure.

Originally posted by llagrok
Who says Wally allows Surfer to move?

We've yet to see Surfer do any fast telepathy, which means that Flash can steal his speed and lay a quick hundred IMPs on him. The end.


Who says Wally can keep him from moving? Hasn't Wally had issues with stealing Superman's speed before?

Originally posted by Mindset
Ok, let me put it this way.

Has he ever faced a character who was able to move and react at lightspeed or superluminal speeds and also had telepathy, has he ever shown the ability to speed blitz someone like that?

Holding back and not killing Grodd doesn't really matter, SS is both vastly faster and more durable than Grodd, I was focusing on Grodd's telepathy.

But you seem to think Flash can steal SS' speed, give him an imp before SS can use telepathy...

I'd like an answer for this as well.

To say Surfer would be able to handle Flash's speed is ridiculous, especially considering Surfer's few and ambiguous 'speed feats'.

"few speed feats"?
lol

no, it's not a question of handling Flash's speed, he obviously would, but of exceeding him. Surfer's speed feats are there everytime he crosses the universe for Galactus, say tracking T&A across the universe, or say when he went into the past or when he mocked Deathurge.

there's nothing Flash can do to out-speed Surfer.

Originally posted by janus77
tracking T&A across the universe

A lot of guys would do that anyway.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A lot of guys would do that anyway.

could?
quite a few herald level characters could do that, many of the Heralds of Galactus definitely could. but it still doesn't change the fact that Surfer can and regularly does travel at many hundreds/thousands/millions of times the speed of light.

to doubt that Surfer has the speed to neutralise Flash's speed is just to irrationally undermine and deny a character's powerset.

Originally posted by janus77
could?
quite a few herald level characters could do that, many of the Heralds of Galactus definitely could. but it still doesn't change the fact that Surfer can and regularly does travel at many hundreds/thousands/millions of times the speed of light.

to doubt that Surfer has the speed to neutralise Flash's speed is just to irrationally undermine and deny a character's powerset.

1) I was making a joke about another meaning of T&A
2) straight line travel has very little to do with combat and reaction speed

Originally posted by Sirius77
Scan doesnt work. And he searched off panel. We don't know what he did, but the fact that he has cosmic awareness highly implies that he didnt have to physically search it. Either way, it's off panel, so no one can say for sure.

It's in his respect thread.

I've never seen the surfer track sentient lifeforms using his cosmic awareness, and while I cannot logically deny that he may have been using his cosmic senses, it is only logical from my point of view to conclude that the bulk of the search was physical, with his senses probably being used in a radial sense. In any case, it was a great feat regardless of any ambiguity.

Originally posted by janus77
"few speed feats"?
lol

no, it's not a question of handling Flash's speed, he obviously would, but of exceeding him. Surfer's speed feats are there everytime he crosses the universe for Galactus, say tracking T&A across the universe, or say when he went into the past or when he mocked Deathurge.

Or the feat Darthgoober already posted in which he caught up to an electronic signal in an enclosed structure while literally in pieces, nearly unconscious, and with his PC drained.

The phrase "few speed feats" in conjunction with the Silver Surfer demonstrates either a lack of subject matter or willful ignorance.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
1) I was making a joke about another meaning of T&A
2) straight line travel has very little to do with combat and reaction speed

damn, really am getting too engrossed in these debates now. any other day I would have spotted that 😮. true, too.

well, given how Surfer has used superspeed against Deathurge, against entire armadas, it's established that he has no problem with it in combat either.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Or the feat Darthgoober already posted in which he caught up to an electronic signal in an enclosed area while literally in pieces, nearly unconscious, and with his PC drained.

The phrase "few speed feats" in conjunction with the Silver Surfer demonstrates either a lack of subject matter or willful ignorance.


true.