Why are you taking obscure parts of my posts and twisting them into your own words? THEY FORM A COMPLETE STORY. Quit being retarded, if I reply to all your points I expect the same in return. I'll openly admit this forum lacks an intelligent audience but forum people see through the bs tactics easily. You're not fooling anyone. Yes you are trying to. Please stop.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I continue to criticize him on Batman. How many times do I have to keep telling you this? Are you plain silly or just doing it to annoy me?
We get it. Your type of behaviour does classify as someone trying to convince someone of something. Why else is it? Repetitiveness? ADD? Short team memory loss? Pick one and run with it.
Why shouldn't I criticize him? He wrote a story...people read it...people will give out their opinion and you should be fine with it. You're not...that's your problem and grow up.
There's a distinction you fail to see.
You know how offensive that is to people who are indeed open minded and didn't like the story? you think just because Morrison wrote it therefore is a good story? Poor soul.
I dislike his Batman works. Why do you keep bringing this up? I already explain it.
You have the problem. You're the one that can't tolerate criticism on him. Now make up your mind. You just said "criticisms" prior to that you said "attack" so do you know the difference? Attacking him would be something like this:"Morrison I'm going to kick you ass!"
Criticism is something like this:
"Morrison, your R.I.P. was not well written and I didn't like it"
See the difference?
"I can't stand RIP and I'm going to repeat this OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER again."
See the difference?
When it comes writting Batman, yes, Dini is better than Morrison. I said this before. Because it is garbage. Do you really REALLY have a problem? Go see a doctor...having problems over an opinion is not a good sign.
You made an assumption here of the KMC comic book readers. And yo do know what Assume means, right?
So, it seems you're saying the majority of the forum didn't read this work. How do you know that?[PLEASE STOP! ANSWER THAT QUESTION RIGHT THERE!]
Me=will address stupid remarks regarding Morrison's run. Your remarks fall into the stupid category btw, incase you want to jump all over this while ignoring the main point. Knock yourself out.
You=over and over you get the picture.
Short Answer to irrelevant question=topics. Barely any discussion on Y: The Last Man, no topics on Fables, barely any discussion on non superhero books too. Where do most of the comic book post come from? The Vs forum. People here don't appear interested in books like Invisibles or Animal Man. I'd be all over that topic in a heartbeat...but they don't exist.
Fair assumption I'd say. Came to it very logically through stats and long observation. Disagree? ****ING ANSWER THE QUESTION OMG ANSWER IT RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOW DO NOT LEAVE UNTIL YOU ANSWER IT!!!!!!!!!
Learn to distinguish your opinion from general consesus. That's your top ten....AND? Who cares? I have my top ten....Do you care?
I wasn't joking...sarcasm flies over you.
How can following Batman would be a different topic...when the topic is the discussion of a major event in the life of Batman? What's wrong with you?
That's my opinion...Batman didn't began when Morrison was born. He has been written by far more distinguish writers in the past.
Then why did you join this forum then? Riiiiiight...to defend Morrison.
Good for you. If none of what you said matters....why are we even having a discussion?
Then you're his fanboy. We knew that already.
I can see why you'd have trouble with Morrison works. He challenges the readers. He demands attention to detail while constantly weaving past plot threads into current situations. You seem incapable of following written simple points on a message board. It's all making sense. Like the bait thrown out there for no reason.
Do explain...I'm listening.
See, I would explain this...only to have you twist it with circular logic like you have been doing and will most likely continue to do so even though I'm committed to this conversation and will not stop until you stop repeating your already well document opinion on RIP...but you failed to answer my last question.
"Are you the rage lolcat from Green Lantern?"
Originally posted by jumpmann
I joined the forums to engage in circular dialogue with intellectually inferior moderators in an attempt to earn some kind of account restricted or banned reward without being overtly obvious. Not talking about you or this discussion here but in general that's why I joined.
Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
lol
Originally posted by Juntai
In all honesty, most of the forum probably hasn't read invisibles or animal man.
Funny you pick those two out... they're probably the most immediately comprehensible Morrison series....
"The Filth" "Mystery Play" or "Saint Swithin's Day"... or even "Zenith" or "Seaguy" or "Vinamarama"
Now those are intense Morrison works.
Personally I think it comes down to what you're looking for in your comic books. I like Morrison because he's innovative, fresh, and new. Sometimes he's a bit dense, but that's because he's not approaching comics from the same formulaic point of view.
Someone like Johns, on the other hand, while he is writing "new" stories, with interesting ideas, is using the same comic book devices we've been using for the past seventy years. I love "JSA" and "Green Lantern" and "Hawkman" to death, because I think they're perfectly developed examples of the superhero genre and they're exciting reads, but the only way you could call them "innovative" is if you're absolutely refusing to think.
Morrison is generally pretty easy to understand if you're willing to sit and think about it for a while. What I like about his work is that there are so many levels to enjoy them on. Like All-Star Superman: you can read it as a KICK-ASS Superman adventure story, and really enjoy it, or you can see it as an examination of the American adaptation of the classic mythic structure, and you can enjoy it that way, too. Neither approach detracts from the other.
Can we end this argument? If you don't like Morrison, yelling about how he sucks and doesn't understand Batman isn't going to convince anyone who does like Morrison, and if you're on the other side, ranting about how Morrison is one of the greatest living writers is equally futile.
Originally posted by tjcoady
Funny you pick those two out... they're probably the most immediately comprehensible Morrison series...."The Filth" "Mystery Play" or "Saint Swithin's Day"... or even "Zenith" or "Seaguy" or "Vinamarama"
Now those are intense Morrison works.
Personally I think it comes down to what you're looking for in your comic books. I like Morrison because he's innovative, fresh, and new. Sometimes he's a bit dense, but that's because he's not approaching comics from the same formulaic point of view.
Someone like Johns, on the other hand, while he is writing "new" stories, with interesting ideas, is using the same comic book devices we've been using for the past seventy years. I love "JSA" and "Green Lantern" and "Hawkman" to death, because I think they're perfectly developed examples of the superhero genre and they're exciting reads, but the only way you could call them "innovative" is if you're absolutely refusing to think.
Morrison is generally pretty easy to understand if you're willing to sit and think about it for a while. What I like about his work is that there are so many levels to enjoy them on. Like All-Star Superman: you can read it as a KICK-ASS Superman adventure story, and really enjoy it, or you can see it as an examination of the American adaptation of the classic mythic structure, and you can enjoy it that way, too. Neither approach detracts from the other.
Can we end this argument? If you don't like Morrison, yelling about how he sucks and doesn't understand Batman isn't going to convince anyone who does like Morrison, and if you're on the other side, ranting about how Morrison is one of the greatest living writers is equally futile.
The way you phrase that makes you sound like some wishy washy student who says silly things like "there is no right and wrong, just your way of seeing it."
But darnnnnnnnnit, I.....it hurts me to say it.....I....I actually....agree.... with you.....
arggh! 😛
Number 12 was a real eye opening:
12. It seems that fan reaction to “R.I.P.” is a classic example – it’s always fickle, but it also seems that it can be very powerful in a negative way. If you get a large enough group of people saying they didn’t get the ending, and it is therefore bad...you’ve got a counter marketing force that can be stronger than anything you can put out there...
Didio answers:
DD: "The thing for me – most of the reactions to R.I.P. that I’ve gotten to date have been positive. I might not travel in the same circles as Newsarama readers..."
Great! Didio is ignorant of critics...just like his buddy Morrison.
Oh, but Morrison is such a great writer! After all...he is so great that he allows Didio to change the ending of the friggin arc.
Guy tries that with Johns or Palmiotti or Gail Simone....they kick him to the curve.
Plain and simple.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Oh, but Morrison is such a great writer! After all...he is so great that he allows Didio to change the ending of the friggin arc.Guy tries that with Johns or Palmiotti or Gail Simone....they kick him to the curve.
thats a bit harsh, imo...
johns was told what to do in infinite crisis, hence the end being such a let down, iirc...
morrison was asked to write two of the biggest dc stories of the year, of course didio was going to stick his nose in... i doubt morrison could have done a damn thing to change it...
Didio went on record stating he was letting Grant do whatever he wanted with Batman and Final Crisis. Those rumours, the same ones who said James Robinson was leaving DC and Johns was ready to jump ship when his contract came out...never proved. One of the rumours was Didio told Morrison to rewrite causing the book to be late...when we all know art was the real problem. Where do all these rumours surface? Lying in the Gutters.
Lying in the Gutters column=rumour column.
Originally posted by jumpmannYep.
Didio went on record stating he was letting Grant do whatever he wanted with Batman and Final Crisis. Those rumours, the same ones who said James Robinson was leaving DC and Johns was ready to jump ship when his contract came out...never proved. One of the rumours was Didio told Morrison to rewrite causing the book to be late...when we all know art was the real problem. Where do all these rumours surface? Lying in the Gutters.Lying in the Gutters column=rumour column.
Originally posted by jumpmann
Didio went on record stating he was letting Grant do whatever he wanted with Batman and Final Crisis. Those rumours, the same ones who said James Robinson was leaving DC and Johns was ready to jump ship when his contract came out...never proved. One of the rumours was Didio told Morrison to rewrite causing the book to be late...when we all know art was the real problem. Where do all these rumours surface? Lying in the Gutters.Lying in the Gutters column=rumour column.
@ me?
Originally posted by jumpmann
@ everyone.
ah.
honestly though, as wonderful as morrison is (his new x-men raised the bar significantly, and his 7 soldiers is awesome), i seriously doubt that didio would print FC or batman RIP as morrison wrote it if he wasnt 100% happy with it. which means at the very least that didio read the scripts and greenlighted them, and given how big both series' are, i can see didio asking morrison for rewrites if he was in fact not happy with them...
that being said, i doubt anyone takes the rumours as being fact...
Asking to change certain details are one thing. Editors exist for that reason. But changing the ending of the story after green lighting it? Never happened with RIP or Final Crisis unless Morrison says so. These stories have been in the works since Morrison came back to DC. Didio is somewhat competent in giving Johns and Morrison free reign at DC.
Originally posted by jumpmann
Asking to change certain details are one thing. Editors exist for that reason. But changing the ending of the story after green lighting it? Never happened with RIP or Final Crisis unless Morrison says so. These stories have been in the works since Morrison came back to DC. Didio is somewhat competent in giving Johns and Morrison free reign at DC.
can't disagree.
so this means morrison is to blame for any problems with RIP, right? 😛