Batman R.I.P.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
From 20 questions for DD:

[b]NEWSARAMA: "So – fundamentally, “Batman R.I.P” did not end in Batman #681?"

Dan Didio: "Correct. We have the two parts that we’re in the middle of now, and they lead us into Final Crisis #6 which gives us a definite conclusion to the Batman story"

Soooooo....Didio and Morrison alike define the word conclusion as "to be continue"? Because as I remember Batman #681 DID say it was a conclusion to R.I.P.

This thing is total mess! Countdown all over again. Even worse...they dragged Batman.

The obvious question here is this....

Why didn't Batman #681 said "to be concluded in Final Crisis"? Why wasn't Final Crisis #2 NOT a R.I.P. Tie-in to R.I.P? Am I missing something?

So basically the R.I.P. ending...or conclusion will take place @ Final Crisis? Well, I guess everyone that was praising how issue #681 (supposly ended) will actually HAVE to read Final Crisis in order to get the REAL ending of R.I.P.

Where I come from this is consider a disorder and a complete mess. Sorry, I call it as I see it. Honestly, anyone see this as logical? [/B]

I read the whole article..

Only thing I can say is HOORAY for the Azrael mini series which I hope leads into another ongoing

Question and answer #5 made me face palm.

Aside from the RIP sh*tfest, if you take the most recent issue as a stand-alone tie-in to FC, it's quite cool. The issue itself is excellently constructed by Morrison. Appropriately disjointed without being too confusing for its own good. Once you understood the gimic (which any FC reader could pick up on quickly) it fit together nicely. I enjoyed it thoroughly, so long as I could ignore the nonsense leading up to it.

Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
Question and answer #5 made me face palm.

Link?

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/120810-DiDio-20.html

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
From 20 questions for DD:

[b]NEWSARAMA: "So – fundamentally, “Batman R.I.P” did not end in Batman #681?"

Dan Didio: "Correct. We have the two parts that we’re in the middle of now, and they lead us into Final Crisis #6 which gives us a definite conclusion to the Batman story"

Soooooo....Didio and Morrison alike define the word conclusion as "to be continue"? Because as I remember Batman #681 DID say it was a conclusion to R.I.P.

This thing is total mess! Countdown all over again. Even worse...they dragged Batman.

The obvious question here is this....

Why didn't Batman #681 said "to be concluded in Final Crisis"? Why wasn't Final Crisis #2 NOT a R.I.P. Tie-in to R.I.P? Am I missing something?

So basically the R.I.P. ending...or conclusion will take place @ Final Crisis? Well, I guess everyone that was praising how issue #681 (supposly ended) will actually HAVE to read Final Crisis in order to get the REAL ending of R.I.P.

Where I come from this is consider a disorder and a complete mess. Sorry, I call it as I see it. Honestly, anyone see this as logical? [/B]

Batman's story with the club of villains/The Black Glove ended with their defeat in 681. Their story is concluded. But Morrison's Batman story continues, like everyone knew it would. Batman's ending takes place in Final Crisis #6.

Where you come from is fantasy land. Can you please rid this thread of any more nonsensical Morrison bashing? You've had it out for the guy and the story since before it began. No matter what you say he's still one of the top comic book writers of all time. Your crusade borderlines on trolling and there's no one to keep you in check.

Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
Question and answer #5 made me face palm.

for once, i agree with you...

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
From 20 questions for DD:

[b]NEWSARAMA: "So – fundamentally, “Batman R.I.P” did not end in Batman #681?"

Dan Didio: "Correct. We have the two parts that we’re in the middle of now, and they lead us into Final Crisis #6 which gives us a definite conclusion to the Batman story"

Soooooo....Didio and Morrison alike define the word conclusion as "to be continue"? Because as I remember Batman #681 DID say it was a conclusion to R.I.P.

This thing is total mess! Countdown all over again. Even worse...they dragged Batman.

The obvious question here is this....

Why didn't Batman #681 said "to be concluded in Final Crisis"? Why wasn't Final Crisis #2 NOT a R.I.P. Tie-in to R.I.P? Am I missing something?

So basically the R.I.P. ending...or conclusion will take place @ Final Crisis? Well, I guess everyone that was praising how issue #681 (supposly ended) will actually HAVE to read Final Crisis in order to get the REAL ending of R.I.P.

Where I come from this is consider a disorder and a complete mess. Sorry, I call it as I see it. Honestly, anyone see this as logical? [/B]

Definetly a mess....i cant wait for Dan Didio to start re-writing batman for Morrison 😆

It seems there are posters who think its Morrison bashing to the extreme...to me its the love for our characters and the stories that contain them to which we hold dear...i dont care if its morrison or stephen king.....but i do think that Dan is somewhat to blame.....his handling of final crisis with morrison should have been an indication that sometimes its not worth the big name.

Originally posted by jumpmann
Where you come from is fantasy land. Can you please rid this thread of any more nonsensical Morrison bashing? You've had it out for the guy and the story since before it began. No matter what you say he's still one of the top comic book writers of all time. Your crusade borderlines on trolling and there's no one to keep you in check.

So I'm not the only one, eh?

Originally posted by jumpmann
Yes.

Batman's story with the club of villains/The Black Glove ended with their defeat in 681. Their story is concluded. But Morrison's Batman story continues, like everyone knew it would. Batman's ending takes place in Final Crisis #6.

You're saying that AFTER the fact! You didn't know prior to this interview. You're doing an even bigger mess by trying to cover up the holes left behind by Morrison and Didio. What are you his lawyer or something?

Originally posted by jumpmann

Where you come from is fantasy land. Can you please rid this thread of any more nonsensical Morrison bashing? You've had it out for the guy and the story since before it began. No matter what you say he's still one of the top comic book writers of all time. Your crusade borderlines on trolling and there's no one to keep you in check.

Where I come from is call reality and criticism. Where you come from is excuse making and ways to belittle a person who criticises Morrison. You must be a Morrison Fanboy then...look at sucha pompous and arrogant comment of yours:

"No matter what you say he's still one of the top comic book writers of all time."

Who crown him that title? I'm sorry, but if it isn't Geoff Johns or Jack Kirby no one has crown him anything except for his ego size fanboys.

Sorry, but if you're going comeback at me with anymore Morrison fanboyism see your way out. I'm not interested.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
You're saying that AFTER the fact! You didn't know prior to this interview. You're doing an even bigger mess by trying to cover up the holes left behind by Morrison and Didio. What are you his lawyer or something?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf

Where I come from is call reality and criticism. Where you come from is excuse making and ways to belittle a person who criticises Morrison. You must be a Morrison Fanboy then...look at sucha pompous and arrogant comment of yours:

"No matter what you say he's still one of the top comic book writers of all time."

Who crown him that title? I'm sorry, but if it isn't Geoff Johns or Jack Kirby no one has crown him anything except for his ego size fanboys.

Sorry, but if you're going comeback at me with anymore Morrison fanboyism see your way out. I'm not interested.

You're not going to get from this easy either. I let you slip with the HOH discussion because you are crazy and incapable of listening to reason without launching into a circular logic tirade. But your anti-Morrison escapades need to be put in check because YES HE'S ONE OF THE GREATEST WRITERS OF ALL TIME.

Animal Man
JLA
Doom Patrol
The Invisibles
WE3
All-Star Superman
Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth
Seven Soldiers
52
New X-Men
The Filth
and others I don't care to mention

With Batman and Final Crisis in development. You can argue over 52, Seven Soldiers, and maybe another, but just try and slander these works. Some of these are undeniable classics. One of the best writers=ONE OF MANY. Kirby, Neil, Stan, Miller, Moore, obviously the top 5 in some order. I'd say Morrison follows these guys in the next five. I can't believe you put Kirby and then Johns next to him instead of one of those four writers too. Johns probably won't surpass any of them in status even though he's easily my favourite writer of all time.

While we have on the other end of the spectrum, someone who cannot fathom the possibly of a decent Morrison comic.

March 13th, just can't wait to trash him. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f50/t479510.html

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
It's just Morrison's stupid way to change the mythos to glorify his overrated stories.

See Batman and son.

I agree, Morrison is one the best ever.

You forgot AZTEK, Grant Morrison and Mark Millar.
It didn't last long, but it was fantastic.

New X Men too.

I think I would have liked RIP more if it was market differently, as is it was a huge let down that didn't make a lick of sense and might not have even actually happened.

Everything from RIP took place, and there will be no "this was actually all just in Bruce's head" type of ending. It is illogical, contradictory, and I assure you that will not happen. So, this leads me to ask, why would you even think that ?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think I would have liked RIP more if it was market differently, as is it was a huge let down that didn't make a lick of sense and might not have even actually happened.

Originally posted by jumpmann
I couldn't care less if people dislike Morrison.

Then why do you continue to defend him? Why even care?

Originally posted by jumpmann

I will step in whenever someone makes a boneheaded comment like "Heart of Hush>RIP" because that crap don't fly on its own.

AND? That's other people's opinions. Does that bother you? Did I ask you if you didn't like it? No, I don't think I did. Funny, quite a lot of readers weren't confuse by HoH but instead they were confuse R.I.P. So claiming that you need a broader mind to understand the arc is completely garbage.

Originally posted by jumpmann

You're not going to get from this easy either. I let you slip with the HOH discussion because you are crazy and incapable of listening to reason without launching into a circular logic tirade. But your anti-Morrison escapades need to be put in check because YES HE'S ONE OF THE GREATEST WRITERS OF ALL TIME.

Anti-Morrison because I didn't like R.I.P? Man! You try to hard to defend this clown of Morrison. If I had said Morrison is not a good writer or never wrote anything good. THEN you can come this way and say I'm Anti-Morrison. I had my sayings on Seven Soldiers and I think enough Merritt has been given to Morrison. But it seems to me that you want EVERYTHING written by Morrison to be acceptable. Don't speak of reason again if you continue to think that Morrison is the greatest writer of all time. That's down right idiotic and simply stupid. Is he a good writer? Yes! He certainly belongs there....the Greatest? That's for fanboys to say. Do not waste my time with that crap again.

Originally posted by jumpmann
If you do not possess the apparently mystical power to enjoy a Morrison comic then why do you keep buying his works?

Mystical Power my friggin ((beep)) what a pretentious and moronic mentality there...why I keep buying his works? NO! I don't buy his works. I buy what he is writing in BATMAN. Because I follow BATMAN...I don't follow Morrison around like you do.

As a fan of the character I have to read what Morrison is doing so that I can know what is going to happen to the character. Didio put him in charge of the event that was going to change the Batman in 60 years or whatever. I had to be there...and I did NOT like it. So I'm voicing my opinion. You don't like it? Cover your ears.

Batman>>>>>>>Morrison.

Deal with it.

Originally posted by jumpmann
Why do you spend months on a message board trying to convince others of something that's simply not true?

How am I convincing ANYONE? The works speak for themselves. Some like it and some don't. Simple as that! Why do you spend months trying to convince others that R.I.P. and Morrison are great?

Originally posted by jumpmann

Do you hate him so much that it's the driving force behind your existence?

So, in your head not liking a Morrison story=hate the man. Pathetic.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Then why do you continue to defend him? Why even care?

AND? That's other people's opinions. Does that bother you? Did I ask you if you didn't like it? No, I don't think I did. Funny, quite a lot of readers weren't confuse by HoH but instead they were confuse R.I.P. So claiming that you need a broader mind to understand the arc is completely garbage.

Anti-Morrison because I didn't like R.I.P? Man! You try to hard to defend this clown of Morrison.

No...I think you are Anti-Morrison because of immature comments like this. They appear to be written in haste and without any thought behind them. When you say dumb things like calling him a clown, it reflects poorly on your judgement too. Morrison is not a clown. That's just silly. You're so silly.

If I had said Morrison is not a good writer or never wrote anything good. THEN you can come this way and say I'm Anti-Morrison. I had my sayings on Seven Soldiers and I think enough Merritt has been given to Morrison. But it seems to me that you want EVERYTHING written by Morrison to be acceptable. Don't speak of reason again if you continue to think that Morrison is the greatest writer of all time. That's down right idiotic and simply stupid. Is he a good writer? Yes! He certainly belongs there....the Greatest? That's for fanboys to say. Do not waste my time with that crap again.

If you dislike his work that's fine. When you come onto this forum everyday throwing the same criticisms at him then yes we have a problem. When you claim Dini is a better writer then yes we have a problem. When you say RIP is garbage then yes we have a problem. You don't see me rushing to his aid when someone insults the Invisibles or Animal Man...works I doubt the majority of the forum read.

I'll openly state Morrison is a top ten all time comic book writer. Specifically following Moore, Kirby, Stan, Miller, and Neil. Somewhere in the 6-10. His works speak for themselves. What's your top ten list look like? Be decisive.

Mystical Power my friggin ((beep)) what a pretentious and moronic mentality there...why I keep buying his works? NO! I don't buy his works. I buy what he is writing in BATMAN. Because I follow BATMAN...I don't follow Morrison around like you do.

As a fan of the character I have to read what Morrison is doing so that I can know what is going to happen to the character. Didio put him in charge of the event that was going to change the Batman in 60 years or whatever. I had to be there...and I did NOT like it. So I'm voicing my opinion. You don't like it? Cover your ears.

Batman>>>>>>>Morrison.

Deal with it.

I don't care if a minority opinion gets voiced.

The third issue of Batman and Son is one of my favourite issues of Batman in a long time. Third being 666 and 2nd being...Detective something with Joker/Zatanna.

None of what I just said matters. I post here occasionally and let my opinion be known but I'm not going to try and hammer away for six months at someone's stories like a madman. There's a line, you crossed it.

How am I convincing ANYONE? The works speak for themselves. Some like it and some don't. Simple as that! Why do you spend months trying to convince others that R.I.P. and Morrison are great?

So, in your head not liking a Morrison story=hate the man. Pathetic.

"Are you the rage lolcat from Green Lantern?"

Originally posted by jumpmann
I defend him against people who attack him without backing it up with meaningful dialogue. But the real question is: why do you continue to attack him?

I continue to criticize him on Batman. How many times do I have to keep telling you this? Are you plain silly or just doing it to annoy me?

Why shouldn't I criticize him? He wrote a story...people read it...people will give out their opinion and you should be fine with it. You're not...that's your problem and grow up.

Originally posted by jumpmann

I never said you need a broader mind. I'll say they need an open mind to enjoy the arc, something you lack, as evidenced by your March 13th post.

You know how offensive that is to people who are indeed open minded and didn't like the story? you think just because Morrison wrote it therefore is a good story? Poor soul.

Originally posted by jumpmann

If you dislike his work that's fine.

I dislike his Batman works. Why do you keep bringing this up? I already explain it.

Originally posted by jumpmann

When you come onto this forum everyday throwing the same criticisms at him then yes we have a problem.

You have the problem. You're the one that can't tolerate criticism on him. Now make up your mind. You just said "criticisms" prior to that you said "attack" so do you know the difference? Attacking him would be something like this:

"Morrison I'm going to kick you ass!"

Criticism is something like this:

"Morrison, your R.I.P. was not well written and I didn't like it"

See the difference?

Originally posted by jumpmann
When you claim Dini is a better writer then yes we have a problem.

When it comes writting Batman, yes, Dini is better than Morrison. I said this before.

Originally posted by jumpmann

When you say RIP is garbage then yes we have a problem.

Because it is garbage. Do you really REALLY have a problem? Go see a doctor...having problems over an opinion is not a good sign.

Originally posted by jumpmann

You don't see me rushing to his aid when someone insults the Invisibles or Animal Man...works I doubt the majority of the forum read.[/b]

You made an assumption here of the KMC comic book readers. And yo do know what Assume means, right?

So, it seems you're saying the majority of the forum didn't read this work. How do you know that?

[PLEASE STOP! ANSWER THAT QUESTION RIGHT THERE!]

Originally posted by jumpmann
I'll openly state Morrison is a top ten all time comic book writer. Specifically following Moore, Kirby, Stan, Miller, and Neil. Somewhere in the 6-10. His works speak for themselves.

Learn to distinguish your opinion from general consesus. That's your top ten....AND? Who cares? I have my top ten....Do you care?

Originally posted by jumpmann

You following Batman is a different topic then you being obsessed with trying to slander Morrison. Let's stay on point. Mystical power...yeah that was pretty funny thank you.

I wasn't joking...sarcasm flies over you.

How can following Batman would be a different topic...when the topic is the discussion of a major event in the life of Batman?

What's wrong with you?

Originally posted by jumpmann

I don't care. You went off point. You never delved into RIP with an open mind and it shows. "It's just Morrison's stupid way to change the mythos to glorify his overrated stories. See Batman and son."

That's my opinion...Batman didn't began when Morrison was born. He has been written by far more distinguish writers in the past.

Originally posted by jumpmann

I don't care if a minority opinion gets voiced.

Then why did you join this forum then? Riiiiiight...to defend Morrison.

Originally posted by jumpmann

The third issue of Batman and Son is one of my favourite issues of Batman in a long time. Third being 666 and 2nd being...Detective something with Joker/Zatanna.

Good for you.

Originally posted by jumpmann
None of what I just said matters. I post here occasionally and let my opinion be known but I'm not going to try and hammer away for six months at someone's stories like a madman. There's a line, you crossed it.

If none of what you said matters....why are we even having a discussion?

Originally posted by jumpmann

I'd like to convince people of the brilliance of Morrison's run.

Then you're his fanboy. We knew that already.

Originally posted by jumpmann

See, I would explain this...

Do explain...I'm listening.

In all honesty, most of the forum probably hasn't read invisibles or animal man.