joker with full power of MYXPTLK/ full power parallex/full power swamp thing vs LT

Started by fangirl10114 pages

People also forgeth there are levels of power beyond the LT. The heart of the U is beyond the LT and it was Not God's power. According to some, the classic Molecule Man and the Classic Beyonder were both beyond the LT and neither of them were God or the one above all either. So it's totally with in reason to understand that the LT can be defeated. Scathan the approver Beat someone who Had the LT's power. So Scathan would also be more powerful than the LT as well.

THOTI is the power of god, it says so in bios and on panel.

People who have defeated the LT are so up there in the food chain that none of the guys fighting here stands a chance.

Originally posted by Bentley
THOTI is the power of god, it says so in bios and on panel.

People who have defeated the LT are so up there in the food chain that none of the guys fighting here stands a chance.

NO. The Bio nor the Panel say that Thanos had the Power of god nor of the One above all.

Also, Swamp thing was so powerful that he threatened the Presence. Mr. Mxy's powers have beaten the spectre fully powered a couple of times. the only other time the spectre fully powered has been beaten is by the arc angel who actually is the power of God.

If the Presence is omnipotent, how can Swamp Thing threaten him?

Originally posted by fangirl101
NO. The Bio nor the Panel say that Thanos had the Power of god nor of the One above all.

Also, Swamp thing was so powerful that he threatened the Presence. Mr. Mxy's powers have beaten the spectre fully powered a couple of times. the only other time the spectre fully powered has been beaten is by the arc angel who actually is the power of God.

Myx also jobs a lot, the Spectre.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
If the Presence is omnipotent, how can Swamp Thing threaten him?

The same way the LT is Omnipotent and get bitched by Thanos with a less than eternal power source.

Originally posted by fangirl101
The same way the LT is Omnipotent and get bitched by Thanos with a less than eternal power source.

The LT isn't the supreme being in Marvel. The Presence is supposed to be.

Originally posted by fangirl101
NO. The Bio nor the Panel say that Thanos had the Power of god nor of the One above all.

Also, Swamp thing was so powerful that he threatened the Presence. Mr. Mxy's powers have beaten the spectre fully powered a couple of times. the only other time the spectre fully powered has been beaten is by the arc angel who actually is the power of God.

A scan said he was god and the writer himself. You dont need any more proof than that.

Swamp thing threatening the presence makes me think the presence isnt all that.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
The LT isn't the supreme being in Marvel. The Presence is supposed to be.
Exactly. The presence doesnt seem all that supreme.

[quanchi.style.]The One Above All apparently couldn't fix the flaw and used Thanos to destroy and recreate the Universe. Doesn't seem that Omnipotent to me.[/quanchi.style.]

Erik, you shouldn't put words in people's mouths. Speak for yourself, with a good argument the majority will be convinced. :/

basic argument NO1 in comics is truly SUPREME, otherwise they wud never APPEAR in a comic as sumthing that cant ever falter doesnt make for any real story as the outcome is clear from the beginning. thoi wasnt supreme as thanos lacked omniscience and missed death and warlock. he also wasnt able to touch anything outside the multiverse. people try to make the argument thotu=god{no evidence or real source for who TOAA is} = the writers{again huge leap of logic} hence thanos is superior to any1. but that isnt true, really, NO1 "inside" comics can ever become tha writer or their pen , its ridiculous. they will always remain ink on paper even if the writers write a billion times. "thanos became as pwoerful as the writer", its a nonsensical statement. on the other hand, the presence {who isnt truly omnipotent either seeing as the writers are superior} is still the stronest force in all the dc.vertigo megaverse. and it encompases practically everything, having nothing alien to it or fully outside its grasp. on the other hand, marvel LACKS such a being INSIDE comics, which has control over the entire multiverse and the void and dimensions outside the multiverse like the beyond realm etc. there was a theory in marvel a while back of toaa{a supposed unseen supreme being in marvel} creating two things, the realm of the beyonders where the beyonder race lived and the infinity being. the infinity being was alone and due to loneliness commited suicide and gave birth to the marvel multiverse and everything in it. and it went on. this actually made more sence than the current explanations which are varied and conttradictory. some claiming that toaa is the writer{eternity bunny/alien entity explanation} while others claiming partial resources like THOTU. yet others claiming a connection with the phoenix and the mkraan crystal and the white hot room, and yet others claiming infinity himself to be the sum total of creation{e.g. genis/entropy/abraxas} with LT guarding the multivers but nuthing else, and yet others referring to such OMNIVERSAL THREATS{marvel terminology not mine} like tha chaos wave of the scarlett witch which turns the whole heirarchy on its heels in a similar way to jammie bradock etc. then we have the infinites, whose WORKER'S hands were greater than eternity itself. ofcourse the ultimate nullifier comes into play{after all, where the HELL does a simple alien artifact get multiverse destroying powers} as does the dimensional fortress and the infinity gems, etc etc etc etc. the whole heirarchy is screwed up and even in the same darn comic or writer you have a million inconcistancies and contradictions {mostly due to the writers forgetting the actual meaning of terms and being ovberly poetic and exxagerating} with each fanboy picking the one he likes, unfairly interpreting it, and leaving out the wrest.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
[quanchi.style.]The One Above All apparently couldn't fix the flaw and used Thanos to destroy and recreate the Universe. Doesn't seem that Omnipotent to me.[/quanchi.style.]

That is like saying that God doesn't exist because there is evil and if God was omnipotent there wouldn't be evil. If there is a flaw and the OAA wanted to solve it by using Thanos, it seems to me that worked out pretty well in the end. Because thats exactly what happened, no breach in omnipotence.

Yeah, screw paragraphs....

Originally posted by leonheartmm
[B]basic argument NO1 in comics is truly SUPREME, otherwise they wud never APPEAR in a comic as sumthing that cant ever falter doesnt make for any real story as the outcome is clear from the beginning. thoi wasnt supreme as thanos lacked omniscience and missed death and warlock.

Thanos actually knew everything (as he was everything in omnireality, even Adam and Death.) It was just somehow interrupted before reaching his mind. I'd say that he subconsciously did that to himself, if a omnipotent being wants a subconsciousness--who are we to say that it's impossible?

he also wasnt able to touch anything outside the multiverse. people try to make the argument thotu=god{no evidence or real source for who TOAA is} = the writers{again huge leap of logic} hence thanos is superior to any1. but that isnt true, really, NO1 "inside" comics can ever become tha writer or their pen , its ridiculous.

Give me four nukes, one that can whipe out a city, andother that can whipe out a country, one that can whipe out a continent and one that can render the earth.
Just because I hate Chicago (an example) doesn'y necessarely mean I'll use the one that can destroy the most to get rid of it.
Same for Thanos, he had never been outside the Multiverse, there was no need for him to destroy more than the Multiverse. He did destroy the main bubble along with the most powerful protectors. Nothing stood in his way anymore.

they will always remain ink on paper even if the writers write a billion times. "thanos became as pwoerful as the writer", its a nonsensical statement. on the other hand, the presence {who isnt truly omnipotent either seeing as the writers are superior} is still the stronest force in all the dc.

To be as powerful as the writer isn't a litteral term. It simply means that the writer is making the character able to do whatever he wants. Basically the writer isn't restricting him to not being able to breathe in space (where there isn't any oxygen) or that he has to put major effort into defeating another being. The writter basically buffs him up with all the power he can.

Originally posted by Astner
Erik, you shouldn't put words in people's mouths. Speak for yourself, with a good argument the majority will be convinced. :/

Its ok to say something like that against dc but not ok to make the same statements against marvel? 😕

Originally posted by kevdude
Its ok to say something like that against dc but not ok to make the same statements against marvel? 😕

Neither is OK.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
[quanchi.style.]The One Above All apparently couldn't fix the flaw and used Thanos to destroy and recreate the Universe. Doesn't seem that Omnipotent to me.[/quanchi.style.]
(lensherr style) Dc character wins(lensherr style)

Originally posted by Astner
Erik, you shouldn't put words in people's mouths. Speak for yourself, with a good argument the majority will be convinced. :/
He puts people on ignore and then tries to mock them anyways.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He puts people on ignore and then tries to mock them anyways.
I find his Mocking to be nearly perfectly accurate. The only thing he forgot to put in there is that Thanos beats The presence, Lucifer, and The Spectre with one hand tied behind his back and the other in the IG glove.