Originally posted by Wil7
No I am not, if you have played Kingdom Hearts 2, then you know what I am talking about.
Game mechanics is an illegit way of debate. Not to mention that KH2 Sephiroth is still not even in the top 50 gaming characters when it comes to either power or combat or both at the same time. In the eyes of many characters, he is barely a bug.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Yeah, he could overpower Kain with one hand. Kain's best friggin strength feat is pushing blocks. Kain could not resist being crushed by Atlas. He could not overpower the Hydra. He could not toss the Collossus of Rhodes like a rag doll. The only difference between Medusa and the other Gorgon's is that Medusa is beatiful, whereas the others are ugly. Hell, Euryale is even more powerful than Medusa if memory serves me right, I think it was stated in the tale of when Perseus took Medusa's head to kill the Kraken. Let's see, Kratos could grab Kain and rip him in half. He could wrap him with his chains and rip him to pieces. He could use Atlas Quake. He could use Euryale's Blast.2. He IS a time God, he took the Fate's power, who are by definition the Goddess' of Fate and Time. He can teleport through time at will from what we see. Kain is NOT under LOK rules in a vs. match, he isn't unkillable through that stupid BS destiny bullshit, if human Kain is killed by Kratos, he dies. All vs. matches take place in a neutral ground where ALL COMBATANTS CAN USE THEIR POWERS TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITIES.
Strength: ...Lol wut? He showed strength in his legs when he resisted being crushed by the Collossus of Rhodes. In fact, lifting in general takes more strength from your legs than your arms. Kratos overpowered the Hydra, who is probably like 100 tons, and impaled it. He overpowers Cyclope with one hand when he stabs them in the head with the chain and slams them to the ground. A single Cyclops is probably 30 tons.
Speed: Bullshit. Kain is not that fast at all, and Kratos can easily block and deflect lightning, and Kain is not lightning fast.
Durability: Turn him to mush? All it took was ripping his heart out to KO him. And Kratos has good durability too, he was thrown hundreds of feet through a stone ceiling and got back up completely fine.
Power: Zeus forged the Blade of Olympus with his own power, then Kratos' was added to it making it stronger. And you forget, Kratos fought and won against Zeus wielding the Blade of Olympus. And Kratos can just pull out a head and turn Kain to stone. Or quake the ground, knocking Kain in the air, and be pelted by Wind Arrows and Tornadoes. Kratos can just time kill ftw.
Range: Range just means who can attack from what range.
Skill: Kain has never shown or even been implied to be skilled with a sword. He just swings it wildly. Wow.
TK? Sheeit, Ares had TK and was pwned by Kratos, Kratos now has Ares' power(actually more). And Kratos can physically break it.
1. Blocks that weigh more than most of Kratos' opponents. Couldnt resist Atlas? ofc he could since Kratos can and we know Kratos struggles to push up metal gates and sometimes even small pillars take a lot of effort that not even Kain even notices. The colossus although made out of bronze which is a fairly light and non dense metal is also hollow, so first find me the weight of the colossus of rhodes, the real weight. Then take into account thats Godly Kratos, this one in the battle is after he is drained. Find me the legend please.
If you think Kraots is going to be able to grab kain, begin ripping him in half, forget it....thats the most terrible idea ive ever heard since thats consuming kain isnt just instantly turning to mist to escape any of this. The chains are just as impossible. Both Quake and the blast are short range, and quake? whats Kain going to do? flee from the terrible power of the small rocks kratos lets loose, Atlas quake would be the death of Kratos, its a slow and overall worthless move. I wouldnt even be surprised if half of the weapons failed to pierce kain.
2. nope, hes not, he tooks the power of fate, thats it, timelines...simple as that although show me your source that states he is a full time god?
False, Kain in the battle is not under the destiny thing, but if kartos CHOOSES to leave the battlefield, enter the timestream of lOK to find young kain, he will be deleted, there is nothing clearer.
Strength: so now were guessing, hes probably a 100 tonnes, the hydra was not that large and he overpowered just its head which is not the weight of the entire thing itself and hes weakened it several times by then as well so its not at its prime.
Speed: yes he is, he would seem like a blur to Kratos, what are you talking about? hell kratos is barely as fast as a normal human, infact slower, and what are you getting he can block lightning from? I dont remember a non in-game moment of this?
Power: Pull out a head and hope kains in its pathetic range, the pulling out however is when hell be dead, kains not going to let Kratos pull it out unless he was toying. Kain breaks the first combo by jsut becoming mist in an instant, coming behind kratos while hes quaking and impaling the fool.
Skill: swings widly? he has a number of techniques, he swings just as wildly as Kratos, hell Kratos is far worse, when hes got a real sword like BoO his combos are simply "slash left, slash right, slash down" etc etc, hes terrible.
nonsense, Kain would just hold Kratos in TK shackles, Kratos would lose most of his weapons if not all to TK powers from range so hell basically be just a normal human by the end....you cant win this debate, theres 1000 ways Kain could destroy Kratos completly with barely trying wheras to even have any attempt at making Kain more than laugh would take major effort.
Originally posted by k1Lla441
Wrong, i said BEFORE kratos loses, he should go back in time. there fore giving him infintie chances to beat kain. and, you said yourself at the start of this argument, kratos has a little chance too win. well, with infinite trys at killing kain, eventually hes gonna succeed, right? There, fight won, no flaw in that.
Theres hundreds of flaws in that, first your guessing Kraots would know when hes going to lose, then your guessing hes even got time, he would be dead in a single strike from half of Kains powers so going abck in time is impossible if your dead, etc etc and having a tiny chance was simply aguess on my part, its more likely he has no chance since it would take kain a major flaw in performance to be taken by surprised at close range from that head which would take long to get out anyway....the fat, cumbersome head would also be the death of Kratos