Originally posted by chithappens
I didn't mean to suggest that something was wrong with the intention, but it does seem a little weird to me that this sort of thing ALWAYS has to be done with a religious backing.There are never people doing it simply because of secular reasoning. It's always based on some "I'm scared of Hell and the wrath of God" sort of thing.
And I doubt there's a single one of them that hasn't found themselves with their pants around their ankles at some point. And you know they've seen it, otherwise how would they know to be against it?
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Well...I know that some people think pornography is abusive and degrading to the people involved. Even so, does there need to be secular examples?
I don't think you will find many people who are for "pornography bondage forced on the victim without any legal consent!"
Why can't people do things with a dogma behind it? If you are behind a cause then that's awesome, but why is it that when it involves teenagers it is ALWAYS followed by some ministry "spreading the word" i.e. "do this or go to hell!"
Originally posted by chithappens
I don't think you will find many people who are for "pornography bondage forced on the victim without any legal consent!"
A woman might agree to take part in a porno...but a feminist might say it is objectifying and degrading to women...
Originally posted by chithappens
Why can't people do things with a dogma behind it? If you are behind a cause then that's awesome, but why is it that when it involves teenagers it is ALWAYS followed by some ministry "spreading the word" i.e. "do this or go to hell!"
Because you say "dogma" in a negative sense, to the Christian it might be a very positive force.
Originally posted by chithappens
I said it in a objective/definition sense.You are not addressing my question
Well, again you are centering on the religious issue, why don't you go look for a person who objects to pornography who does so not because of their belief in God but because they believe the industry is wrong and harmful etc etc
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Well, again you are centering on the religious issue, why don't you go look for a person who objects to pornography who does so not because of their belief in God but because they believe the industry is wrong and harmful etc etc
Oh yeah. I'm such an ******* for not noticing the part on each KMC members' profile that details their personal beliefs on pornography.
How silly of me!
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Indeed, if your going to make sweeping statements you really should do some research.How silly of you.
WTF are you talking about?
I asked why can't these "movements" occur without a "religious backing." You named feminists, and offered a reason (objectifying and degrading) that I had already addressed.
I made no negative connotations concerning a dogma. That was simply the interpretation of you assuming your Ms.Cleo imitation works.
Answer my question or stop wasting three of my seconds when I have to read your bias post.
Originally posted by chithappens
WTF are you talking about?I asked why can't these "movements" occur without a "religious backing." You named feminists, and offered a reason (objectifying and degrading) that I had already addressed.
I made no negative connotations concerning a dogma. That was simply the interpretation of you assuming your Ms.Cleo imitation works.
Answer my question or stop wasting three of my seconds when I have to read your bias post.
Clearly, we are not understanding each other, and its irritating you...I apologise.
Now, what was your question and I will answer it without bias.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Clearly, we are not understanding each other, and its irritating you...I apologise.Now, what was your question and I will answer it without bias.
(This is not saying anything about people who do this with a religious backing)
Why is that young adults, are unlikely to take stands against stuff they think is wrong, such as porn, without it coming from some youth ministry group?
For example, I'm neutral on the issue of porn. On one hand, I don't think it harms anyone, but I believe it can have adverse affects on social skills. The porn itself is not what is so harmful, but what can come from it. It's kinda like videogame violence to me - it can be harmful but it is not the product alone that causes the issues.
However, I don't have to include stuff about how it's a sin and you will go to Hell if etc. (I'm not of a particular organized religion today, but I felt that way years ago when I was) to feel as if I have a point even when I was a Christian.
Originally posted by chithappens
(This is not saying anything about people who do this with a religious backing)Why is that young adults, are unlikely to take stands against stuff they think is wrong, such as porn, without it coming from some youth ministry group?
Well, I believe that is the case because usually only Ministry groups talk about porn being bad...I can't think of any other youth group that would be against pornography...though I imagine they exist.
Originally posted by chithappens
For example, I'm neutral on the issue of porn. On one hand, I don't think it harms anyone, but I believe it can have adverse affects on social skills. The porn itself is not what is so harmful, but what can come from it. It's kinda like videogame violence to me - it can be harmful but it is not the product alone that causes the issues.However, I don't have to include stuff about how it's a sin and you will go to Hell if etc. (I'm not of a particular organized religion today, but I felt that way years ago when I was) to feel as if I have a point even when I was a Christian.
Well, sometimes non-religious people can object to porn. From a non-religious view I feel that its abit demeaning on both the person watching and the people involved in the actual video. However, the reason that youths who object to pornography are predominantly from Christian backgrounds is because it is predominantly Christian groups who talk about pornography being wrong.
I dunno bout this whole "hell" thing you point out though. Again, as a Catholic from Scotland I have never been around the Evangelicals of America so I don't know how they preach- however, I don't think that "Porn is a sin and you'll go to hell for watching it" is an argument God would approve of, when it comes to educating Children. It is certainly not one I was ever given...in fact, I wasn't really told much about hell...