People hate Batman '89 yet it was the movie that, i think, influenced "Batman: The Animated Series" a.k.a. the best batman series in both the live action and cartoon field, ever. Hell, even the cartoon's theme song used the Batman '89 theme/ending song. The cartoon also has the Tim Burton look and feel to it too.
The Dark Knight will be up against some comp. to me..
I don't know how it will be yet for Heath's I will have to experience it first. I have to say that so far mostly because of his appearance and a couple minor things I haven't associated the new Joker as THE JOKER yet in my mind. That's based on the Joker I am used to seeing though through out the years.
I didn't see Batman 1989 till after I saw the animated series growing up and I had no problem reconciling Jack Nicholson as the Joker probably because the animated series one was sort of based after him. He fit to me. He was funny, and yet sadistic and he scared me...and at the same time I found myself rooting for him, even though I wanted Batman to win. His best moments in my mind
1) The mirror scene...I think that is one of the great scenes in 80s cinema PERIOD. Him slamming that mirror down, sobbing and then bursting into that maniacal laughter, smashing that light bulb and lurking up the stairs howling in laughter in the dark...if ever there was a moment that I think perfectly capture the Joker's insanity it was that.
2) Storming the mob meeting and then disposing of Antoine the way he did. And joking with his corpse. Classic.
3) Killing Vinny with the poison tipped feather and quipping about the pen being mightier than the sword with the mimes. That scene always creeped me out as a kid.
4) "I'm melting!" "Boo!"
5) His annoyance with Batman stealing the spotlight from him in general was so completely Joker.
6) The commercial for Smilex was crazy good. "Love that Joker!"
7) The parade scene "go with a smile"
9) "You IDIOT! You made me. Remember, you dropped me into that vat of chemicals. That wasn't easy to get over, and don't think that I didn't try!"
10) Him trying to stomp Batman off the top of the cathedral.
The only things in the movie that I felt were more Jack than the Joker was the bird dance maybe and the phantom of the opera ending but to me not distractingly so. I think what I like so much about the Batman 1989 Joker and the Animated series Joker is they had fun while killing people and causing mayhem. You could see the sheer delight and enjoyment that the characters got for upsetting Batman's world.
The new Joker seems to be more dark and brooding and less like he will be enjoying himself much. But I will have to wait and see. I'm expecting a completely different kind of performance. I don't expect one to be better than the other, contrary to that I expect them to be incomparable because they will be so different.
I hope Heath's Joker's not too serious. Like he seemed angry in one part where he said "C'mon, hit me!". That part, although sick looking, isn't very Joker-like.
In the comics, every other sentence the Joker says is a sarcastic poetry. Even when he's mad he still fools around but'll still kill you..hehe.
Heath's Joker should be hysterically delirious but in an insane way. The way the comics did it. The way Jack Nich did it in Batman '89.
Yeah so far I haven't seen the Joker say anything particularly funny in the released stuff. Hopefully he gets some jokes off.
Even this semi amateur Joker is somewhat funny, lol
http://youtube.com/watch?v=szAp6gleJd4
Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
I don't know how it will be yet for Heath's I will have to experience it first. I have to say that so far mostly because of his appearance and a couple minor things I haven't associated the new Joker as THE JOKER yet in my mind. That's based on the Joker I am used to seeing though through out the years.I didn't see Batman 1989 till after I saw the animated series growing up and I had no problem reconciling Jack Nicholson as the Joker probably because the animated series one was sort of based after him. He fit to me. He was funny, and yet sadistic and he scared me...and at the same time I found myself rooting for him, even though I wanted Batman to win. His best moments in my mind
1) The mirror scene...I think that is one of the great scenes in 80s cinema PERIOD. Him slamming that mirror down, sobbing and then bursting into that maniacal laughter, smashing that light bulb and lurking up the stairs howling in laughter in the dark...if ever there was a moment that I think perfectly capture the Joker's insanity it was that.
2) Storming the mob meeting and then disposing of Antoine the way he did. And joking with his corpse. Classic.
3) Killing Vinny with the poison tipped feather and quipping about the pen being mightier than the sword with the mimes. That scene always creeped me out as a kid.
4) "I'm melting!" "Boo!"
5) His annoyance with Batman stealing the spotlight from him in general was so completely Joker.
6) The commercial for Smilex was crazy good. "Love that Joker!"
7) The parade scene "go with a smile"
9) "You IDIOT! You made me. Remember, you dropped me into that vat of chemicals. That wasn't easy to get over, and don't think that I didn't try!"
10) Him trying to stomp Batman off the top of the cathedral.
The only things in the movie that I felt were more Jack than the Joker was the bird dance maybe and the phantom of the opera ending but to me not distractingly so. I think what I like so much about the Batman 1989 Joker and the Animated series Joker is they had fun while killing people and causing mayhem. You could see the sheer delight and enjoyment that the characters got for upsetting Batman's world.
The new Joker seems to be more dark and brooding and less like he will be enjoying himself much. But I will have to wait and see. I'm expecting a completely different kind of performance. I don't expect one to be better than the other, contrary to that I expect them to be incomparable because they will be so different.
How about an issue of the comic book? Did you ever read the comic book? How about graphic novels and anthologies of the character? Did you ever see those?
Originally posted by Devil King
How about an issue of the comic book? Did you ever read the comic book? How about graphic novels and anthologies of the character? Did you ever see those?