Originally posted by Da Joker
I'm not trying to demean Jack or anything, but I'm saying Ledger's Joker had more depth. And Jack killed way more than 15 people...you have to include Bruce's parents, and all the people that died from the gas he released, so that's at least well over 40-50 people, and maybe more including Eckhart and everyone else he may have killed before then.
Eckhart and Bruce's parents were before he became Joker, so I don't count them...
And yeah, I forgot about the anchorwoman who died...
And about the parade scene, we only saw 2 people die on screen...
So as it stands right now he has 18 CONFIRMED kills, with many more that he POSSIBLY killed, but we don't know...
Originally posted by Da Joker
Why not include them? He's virtually the same person, and we saw a lot of people fall from the gas, not to mention all the people from the restaurant in which he released the gas, and there were a bunch of people in there.
The gas in the museum/restaurant was a different kind of gas... I'm not sure if he actually killed them or not... They didn't have the "Joker laughing fit" or the "Joker grin" when they fell down, they just fell down... Not to mention the gas was a different color (it was a light purple/gray, similar to Penguin's knockout gas from the 60s tv show, while the Smilex gas was green) For all we know, it could have been basic knockout gas...
And after watching the parade scene again, I only saw 2 people actually fall down and die... There were a lot of people running, so maybe a few fell in the background, but I didn't see them...
So as it stands, Jack's JOKER (not Jack's Jack Napier) has 18 CONFIRMED kills, with many more that COULD have happened, but we don't COMPLETELY know...
Dude, the Joker in that movie was completely f'in nuts, do you think he's really going to use knock out gas or gas that'll kill you? I'm thinking the latter, and it were just knock out gas, why not knock out Vicki and then kidnap her? Why was she so disgusted? They all died, so he has over 25-30 kills, not just 18.
Originally posted by Bat Dude
Ok, so if we assume that the people in the museum died, then we saw around 6-8 people die on camera...So now that's 24-26 CONFIRMED kills for Jack's Joker...
That's really close to 30, and as I said, including Eckhart and Bruce's parents, it's 29. There's no telling how many people he may have killed before he became the Joker. I still count the kills pre Joker because he's basically the same person.