Burning Legion vs Scourge

Originally posted by Nozdormu
Btw, BT.. What makes you think the Scourge will be able to do all that before the Legion will get the chance to do anything at all? You make it sound like the Legion will just stand and watch while they let the Scourge get close and start debuffing..

Also, I'd like to point out that infernals are immune to all magic, are physical powerhouses and they alone probably match the quantity of significant scourge opponents.. Frost Wyrms's breath is based on magic and as we all know, they cant attack them ((Seen in Warcraft 3)).. The flesh titans attacks are also magic, just like the majority of the Scourge..

The scourge will fail due to their quantities of magical beings.. I think the fel hounds and infernals would probably them alone almost be overkill.. The scourge has too much magic and too little significant physical powerhouses compared to the legion..

You also have to consider the fact that there are not many destroyers and frost wyrms.. While the infernals and fel hounds surpass thousands, the frost wyrms and destroyers are a few hundred at top.. they are far more rare, and entirely ineffective against the infernals and fel hounds..

What are the legion going to do to repel them? nothing the legion has could really stop them. no their not, the Flesh titan has physical power and also electrical, like the polarity discharge, which will destroy most of the legion considering their proximity, and can you show me where it officially states the Frostwyrms breath is all magical, i dont remember htem not being able ot harm Infernals.

No i think the scourge will win because of their quanities and the Legions lack after the Destroyers settle in. Felhounds would be obliterated by AOE mana explosions from Destroyers who are flying out of their miserable silence/magic devour range, face it, the legion are outclassed in every way, shape or form by either Flesh titans physically, Destroyers in anti magic and the fact the Scourge iwll gain most of hte legions forces eventually as the battle goes on, Destroyers alone could take out every magic unit with impunity and destroy them, and the destroyers AOE explosion will take out most of hte rest who are not 100% immune to magic, the infernals just flounder about on the ground. A few Flesh giants would lay into infernals and break them up, I dont think their as invincible as you seem to be making them out, their lumps of fel enhanced stone moving, an undead pitlord would also crush them down.

Can you prove this? show me where your getting Infernals surpass thousands and numbers for destroyers and wyrms, please do, because you see Wyrms come from not only recently killed but also the ancient boneyards of the world in Northrend where the great dragons have went to die for years. This leaves it open for there to be thousands of dragons to pile up over the years. Same with Destryoers, they are built as ive said in Ahnquiraj and the Nerbuian homelands by the old god who lived there, they were built there, you cannot asume anything like direct numbers here, there could be nearly as many destroyers as there are infernals with ease.

Originally posted by Nozdormu
So we can use named ones now?

Why not? Utrigos just said no commanders or anything, if theyve got a name why should that make a diffrence?

Also keep in mind that mana burn is limited and wont be the death of a target at all.. This is seen in "Warcraft: Stranger in a Strange Land" where a druid is completely emptied on mana without noticing it.. The only part of him effected is that he cannot use magic, but he personally is not effected at health..

So a destroyer could pretty much (even though they probably wouldnt be able to drain all mana of... say... an eredar warlock) suck them dry and they would still not die.. Having mana doesnt make a target a lot weaker.. It only limit them from using magical abilities..

Originally posted by Utrigita
http://www.wowwiki.com/Doomguard

Don't forget that they can still fly and attack from the ground.

A Felguard wields a massive warblade and a Hound has enough strength to bring down a Adult Dragon. The zombies are nothing more then animated corpses and the Ghouls are strong but not tough, the FelGuards are both have intelligence.

also please read MG 86

Generally read up on them http://www.wowwiki.com/Felguard they outlast Ghouls and Zombies by quiet a margin.

The Abominations will have there hands full with the infernals, and the Pitlords can dispel Magic, so cripple will not have a long effect on them.

I haven't, and may I once again add that you are underestimating the Firewreck Dragons, the Fel Dragons are undead Dragons much like the frost wyrms the only difference is that they are burning with Demonic energy, also Gargoyle vs Doomguard... As for the Nerubians I wouldn't recommend bringing the Doomguards down in the middle of the Battlefield where they really can lay waste to there surroundings.

If you destroyers are determind on draining all that mana, then they will explode, as simple as that.

Then it's a luck that both the Pitlords and Natherizim can summon infernals too.

As shown by Becci the amount of energy required to ressurrect a Pitlord would be enormous far beyond what any single Death Knight could accomplishe on his own, when a Lich couldn't ressurrect more then skeletons then a pitlord isn't likely.

What disease will spread through the Legion? And which Undead would have the power you speak of? The Liches? Not quiet when the animated corpse fall it is not very likely to raise again, and what does it even matter if they animate them if they are going to lose 3 everytime the legion loses one...

I said no leaders, BT what you are mentioning there are leaders, hence they are not useable in this fight. The death knights is, the Liches is, the Crypt Lords is, but individual leaders given name will not be used in this fight as I pointed relative earlier in this thread.

And no Nozdormu we cannot.

Show me Felguard strength, ime well aware they wield massive blades but this pointless if they get smothered and ripped ot pieces, and they wear no armour either, unfortatley for htem they dont have the strength of being undead so a impalement will do each one a world of good.

Ive read about the Felguard, The same source whos just how stupid they are, they simply on command run at the enemy looking for weak points, wonderful, fresh corspes for the scourge, hell the scourge will boost by a few hundreds of thousands by Felguard casualties before the main battle even begins.

Pitlords will be Crippled again and again, the things will not have a moments piece and being able to dispel anything isnt worth much when your lieing on the ground with cripple and weakness.

yes, that would be a good idea, Cripple the doomguard, bring him odwn then smother him and destroy him, ala....undead Doom guard supreme coming right up, and no, but Gargoyles VS fel dragons in swarms could be deadly, their still scourge to be noted.

Youve never played in Ahnq quiraj have you, the explosion is not them dieing, the explosion is hte mana energy, thats why you have to keep them from exploding their energy or the raid wipes.

Pitlords and Nethrezim will have no mana, ime telling you, those Destroyers have a massive range AOE drain and explosion, it will be surprising if half the legion are not crawling, crippled, and being annhilated by mana blasts by about 100 destroyers at a time.

Becci hasnt shown anything apart from a single source where a Lich needed an orb to use necromntic powers, she has yet to show him having difficulty summoning more, weve already seen Arthas bring a Great blue dragon back, a pitlord will not be so difficult especially with many Necromancers all around.

no, the legion will lose 2, the scourge lose 3, then the scourge gain 5.....problem is the Felguards will lose in the hundreds thanks to destroyer explosiosn and Lich Death and decay+frost novas.

The legion have lost, the losses they take, and the scourge gain...its all too much, eventually the Scourge will be so large and full of units exactley the same (but undead) that the legion have it will be pointless. Destroyers can even annhilate the infernals lol.....

You didnt say named, you said commanders, none of these ive listed are commanders, some are Necromancers and Thaddus is a mere Flesh titan.

Originally posted by Nozdormu
Also keep in mind that mana burn is limited and wont be the death of a target at all.. This is seen in "Warcraft: Stranger in a Strange Land" where a druid is completely emptied on mana without noticing it.. The only part of him effected is that he cannot use magic, but he personally is not effected at health..

So a destroyer could pretty much (even though they probably wouldnt be able to drain all mana of... say... an eredar warlock) suck them dry and they would still not die.. Having mana doesnt make a target a lot weaker.. It only limit them from using magical abilities..

I was wrong, Destroyers dont have mana burn, I was thinking of the mana burn that drains mana AND damages you at the same time but they only have Devour magic and drain mana.

Originally posted by Burning thought
What are the legion going to do to repel them? nothing the legion has could really stop them. no their not, the Flesh titan has physical power and also electrical, like the polarity discharge, which will destroy most of the legion considering their proximity, and can you show me where it officially states the Frostwyrms breath is all magical, i dont remember htem not being able ot harm Infernals.

No i think the scourge will win because of their quanities and the Legions lack after the Destroyers settle in. Felhounds would be obliterated by AOE mana explosions from Destroyers who are flying out of their miserable silence/magic devour range, face it, the legion are outclassed in every way, shape or form by either Flesh titans physically, Destroyers in anti magic and the fact the Scourge iwll gain most of hte legions forces eventually as the battle goes on, Destroyers alone could take out every magic unit with impunity and destroy them, and the destroyers AOE explosion will take out most of hte rest who are not 100% immune to magic, the infernals just flounder about on the ground. A few Flesh giants would lay into infernals and break them up, I dont think their as invincible as you seem to be making them out, their lumps of fel enhanced stone moving, an undead pitlord would also crush them down.

Can you prove this? show me where your getting Infernals surpass thousands and numbers for destroyers and wyrms, please do, because you see Wyrms come from not only recently killed but also the ancient boneyards of the world in Northrend where the great dragons have went to die for years. This leaves it open for there to be thousands of dragons to pile up over the years. Same with Destryoers, they are built as ive said in Ahnquiraj and the Nerbuian homelands by the old god who lived there, they were built there, you cannot asume anything like direct numbers here, there could be nearly as many destroyers as there are infernals with ease.

Why not? Utrigos just said no commanders or anything, if theyve got a name why should that make a diffrence?

1. How about a quote from Blizzard's official strategy guide?

Now the skeletal Dragons radiate cold power and think of nothing other than serving their dark master. Frost Wyrms have a cold-based breath weapon that can do shattering damage to enemies both on the ground and in the air.

Attack Type: Magic

2. The Fel Hounds arent as pathetic as they seem in World of Warcraft.. They are almost entirely immune to magical attacks and if a magical attack is launched at them, the vines will absorb it.. It works pretty much in the same was as those lighting things you put on a roof to make sure the lighting hits them..

3. An undead pitlord? You really think an average necromancer could bring a pitlord back? Remember that there are no leaders involved here.. It took an average necromancer a blessed orb of Ner'Zhul to bring a frostwyrm back, and even this took time.. Then, when the necromancer died, so did the frostwyrm.. It took a ritual to bring back an above average skeleton in "Warcraft: Killing Ground" back.

4. On what are you basing that a Flesh Titan would be superior the Infernals? Even then, what make you think a Flesh Titan can bring down an Eredar warrior?

5. The number of the infernals? Well, considering the fact that there are thousands of them in WoW alone is one thing, and that's only the assembled forces.. You right, I dont have any exact numbers..

But do you really think that the world have had thousands of dragons? 😐 Get real.. Do some reading.. Learn a thing or two.. The flights had barely a hundreds each in the War of the Ancients..

Originally posted by Burning thought
You didnt say named, you said commanders, none of these ive listed are commanders, some are Necromancers and Thaddus is a mere Flesh titan.

Thread creator said "No named ones", so deal with it..

By the way.. What makes you think Thaddius is not the one and only Flesh titan? For all we know, he could be the result of a successful project.. Perhaps there are only a handfew of him existing at all.. Perhaps the experiments has just started.. What exactly DO you know about Flesh Titans? Or are you basing everything on Thaddius and makes assumption that Flesh Titans grow on trees just because they successfully brought one to life..

And dont come with "why shoudnt they have more?", because despite what you might think, it take a long time to create certain beings.. It isnt just a snap of a finger..

Again wielding the blade that they does speaks quiet clearly for there strength. Get smolded and ripped to pieces by what the unintelligent Zombies and Ghouls that have absolutely no sense of combat tactics? and the Ghouls will die just as well by being cut in two. Who will impale them? The abominations that are fighting with the Infernals?

They focus on the weak line to break through the line making a hole which they are experts in. and Stupid then you and I haven't been reading the same about the Felguards.

Again they have dispel, and I doubt the Scourge has enough mages to let me see, continuesly animate the fallen, using energy to keep them animated, casting curses left and right on the Pitlords and Doomguards.

No it wouldn't because as mentioned the Doomguards are highly resistant to magic in the game they are immune so cripple would have zero effect on them. again the Doomguards are still in the air to help them but we can ofcause say the Firewreck Dragons against the gargoyles...

No I haven't but I take the only source of ingame that I have

Has an AOE Mana drain. If their mana tops off they blow up doing about 6k AOE Nature Damage (range unknown).

http://www.wowwiki.com/Obsidian_Destroyer

Arthas is the champion of the Lich King wielding Frostmourne that holds the power the Lich King, I believe there is some difference between the two incidents.

I have yet to see the Scourge animating the same corpse yet again and again and again and again like you claim they can. Proof please. Again the Destroyers are already fully occupied and the Liches have enough worries thanks to the Felhounds.

No the Scourge is, please do the math is the Scourge loses 3 every time the Legion loses 1 that makes it a two they are losing everytime the Legion loses one, and the Legion is larger then the Scrouge.

I said leader species only when Nozdormu asked me. I said leader species because the other will get to mixed up into comparing the named bosses in the end which isn't what I want.

Originally posted by Nozdormu
1. How about a quote from Blizzard's official strategy guide?

2. The Fel Hounds arent as pathetic as they seem in World of Warcraft.. They are almost entirely immune to magical attacks and if a magical attack is launched at them, the vines will absorb it.. It works pretty much in the same was as those lighting things you put on a roof to make sure the lighting hits them..

3. An undead pitlord? You really think an average necromancer could bring a pitlord back? Remember that there are no leaders involved here.. It took an average necromancer a blessed orb of Ner'Zhul to bring a frostwyrm back, and even this took time.. Then, when the necromancer died, so did the frostwyrm.. It took a ritual to bring back an above average skeleton in "Warcraft: Killing Ground" back.

4. On what are you basing that a Flesh Titan would be superior the Infernals? Even then, what make you think a Flesh Titan can bring down an Eredar warrior?

5. The number of the infernals? Well, considering the fact that there are thousands of them in WoW alone is one thing, and that's only the assembled forces.. You right, I dont have any exact numbers..

But do you really think that the world have had thousands of dragons? 😐 Get real.. Do some reading.. Learn a thing or two.. The flights had barely a hundreds each in the War of the Ancients..

1. That is gameplay though is it not? also I still swear if i put a Frostwyrm and a Infernal in a battle, the Frostwyrm doesnt get the "cant attack" command, ill try it in a min.

2. a Magic blast wave of destruction is diffrent from a magical attack, you cant really absorb a wave, its pure mana, but the Frost Wyrms would be a more worthy anti Felhound attack, and thats if AOE from Liches, skeleton mages and Necromancers among all other beings dont just smash them to pieces.

3. No but a Lich could considering it is so much more powerful. And see, a Necromancer brings back an adult dragon? most dragons brought back as Frostwyrms are "great dragons" which i belive are above adult level.

4. Flesh titans are great large things, an infernal would look like a tiddler, and most of the Legion would fall to a flesh titna, they have massive nature attacks in the form of lightning which would decimate demons ofc, but the most potent ability would be the polarity that would kill all the legion in a massive chain reaction, neg polarity and positive and since the legion march to war in close formation they would all explode.

5. fair enough, no exact numbers, the only way I can see this battle and debate being worth anything is if we simply equel out the numbers of groups we dont know the numbers of anyway

yes, in the entire war of the ancients=hundreds, then theres all the dragons in the entire world, can you prove the entire worlds worth of all dragons are at the fight, can you say the official quote your taking the number of dragons from? the boneyard was a place where the old dragons would go throughout the entire history of the world, there could be so many there, who knows.

Originally posted by Nozdormu
Thread creator said "No named ones", so deal with it..

By the way.. What makes you think Thaddius is not the one and only Flesh titan? For all we know, he could be the result of a successful project.. Perhaps there are only a handfew of him existing at all.. Perhaps the experiments has just started.. What exactly DO you know about Flesh Titans? Or are you basing everything on Thaddius and makes assumption that Flesh Titans grow on trees just because they successfully brought one to life..

And dont come with "why shoudnt they have more?", because despite what you might think, it take a long time to create certain beings.. It isnt just a snap of a finger..

Wow, that saved the legions skin...their so fortunate

This was one Titan being made in a single Necropolis, it would make sense theres more than one, not to mention the fact that it says there are blevied to be more and far more powerful versions in Northrend but we dont know.

Thaddius would be enough anyway, Although hitpoints are only just gameplay,his hitpoints are so high they are higher than the leader of the abyssals (greater than infernals) in a level 70 top raid...obviously Blizzard are telling us he is one hell mean son of a gun.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Again wielding the blade that they does speaks quiet clearly for there strength. Get smolded and ripped to pieces by what the unintelligent Zombies and Ghouls that have absolutely no sense of combat tactics? and the Ghouls will die just as well by being cut in two. Who will impale them? The abominations that are fighting with the Infernals?

They focus on the weak line to break through the line making a hole which they are experts in. and Stupid then you and I haven't been reading the same about the Felguards.

Again they have dispel, and I doubt the Scourge has enough mages to let me see, continuesly animate the fallen, using energy to keep them animated, casting curses left and right on the Pitlords and Doomguards.

No it wouldn't because as mentioned the Doomguards are highly resistant to magic in the game they are immune so cripple would have zero effect on them. again the Doomguards are still in the air to help them but we can ofcause say the Firewreck Dragons against the gargoyles...

No I haven't but I take the only source of ingame that I have

http://www.wowwiki.com/Obsidian_Destroyer

Arthas is the champion of the Lich King wielding Frostmourne that holds the power the Lich King, I believe there is some difference between the two incidents.

I have yet to see the Scourge animating the same corpse yet again and again and again and again like you claim they can. Proof please. Again the Destroyers are already fully occupied and the Liches have enough worries thanks to the Felhounds.

No the Scourge is, please do the math is the Scourge loses 3 every time the Legion loses 1 that makes it a two they are losing everytime the Legion loses one, and the Legion is larger then the Scrouge.

I said leader species only when Nozdormu asked me. I said leader species because the other will get to mixed up into comparing the named bosses in the end which isn't what I want.

Abominations dont need to fight infernals, destroyers can suck them away.

simply charging on command the enemy and losing thousands is stupid...full stop..

Curses are basically instant cast, the scourge are commanded by a single mighty mind, they will split up groups and this is simple strategy anyway, besides whats the cast time on dispel? the pitlord would have to keep dispelling itself as it slowly moves into battle until it realises its got no mana so it just lies there and awaits death.

have a look at the Naxxramas harvester of souls dude, ive given you the link already, he does it.

Felhounds will be destroyted by scourge ground forces and Frostwyrms.

But thats not true because the Scourge are far more powerful, and have the full activeness of their army, half the Legion casters will be downed by the Destroyers, also what do you mena destroyers will be kept occupied? by wat? a singel destroyer has a massive long range AOE drain that could on his own drain the mana of a huge legion of.....the legion (damn i said it), he destroyer gets more powerful as it drains and drains, several destroyers, perhaps a few handfulls will just devour the infernals and they will drop to the ground.

I could have added the leaders of the Race but that would be a overkill for the Legion.

Legion dont have any good leaders apart from maybe Doomlord Kazzak, most of their leaders are dead or otherwise incapacitated. Who do you have in mind that could match Thaddius? he could single handadly polarise the legion and kill them all...

1. Attack, yes.. But what makes you think it has any effect? All elements is magical in Warcraft, and the infernal is immune to magic.. The only way to bring one down is by physical force, and they are horribly strong, as seen in War of the Ancients..

2. It isnt different.. It's magic.. What makes it different? The fact that it drain magic? No, it takes magic to drain magic.. And do you think the hounds will just stand and watch? They are very fast beings, and as far as we've seen has incredible stamina.. They also absorb magic launched on them, so go ahead and use necromancers, mages and liches against them.. It'll only work in the Legion's advantage.. Just like infernals, the only efficient way to take a hound down is physically..

3. THE ORB OF NER'ZHUL! Do you have any idea what power it manifests? It raised the necromancy abilities to the skies and allowed them to bring an adult frostwyrm back.. Without it, they could only bring average skeletons back.. And what do you mean, "great dragons"? They are adults non-the-less.. The only ones that are above adult is "aspect dragons"

4. Right.. And how big exactly are the flesh titans? Like normal titans?
http://images.wikia.com/wowwiki/images/9/9a/MaidenOfVirtue.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/wowwiki/images/3/3d/Titans.png
Or am I missing something you've seen? Where exactly does it state that a flesh titan dwarf an infernal in size and strength? Because according to lore, it shouldnt..

5. Equal out the numbers? Then it's not a battle between the Burning Legion and the Scourge.. It's a battle between just scourge and burning legion soldiers.. That would be more even though.. Burning Legion stomp the Scourge otherwise..

I can if I care enough to find out the number of the dragons.. This since they all engaged Neltharion in the book, and I believe a couple of numbers was mentioned.. If they were thousands, the skies would be darkened.. I dont remember exact words, but they brought everyone, and Neltharion did not wipe out thousands of dragons that day.. Even if he did, they were incinerated and wouldnt be resurrectable..

Originally posted by Burning thought
Wow, that saved the legions skin...their so fortunate

This was one Titan being made in a single Necropolis, it would make sense theres more than one, not to mention the fact that it says there are blevied to be more and far more powerful versions in Northrend but we dont know.

Thaddius would be enough anyway, Although hitpoints are only just gameplay,his hitpoints are so high they are higher than the leader of the abyssals (greater than infernals) in a level 70 top raid...obviously Blizzard are telling us he is one hell mean son of a gun.

In a single necropolis? It was THE necropolis.. The head quarter.. It would make sense if they started an experiement there, which would be the one place where they manifest most power.. But you cant prove that there are more than one flesh titan.. I know you cant.. So why should we assume there are more? For the sake of pretending the Scourge stands a chance?

And are you bringing HP into this? Because one abyssal has
4,500,000 HP.. Thaddius has 6.700.000 HP.. Since there are a few thousand Infernals and only a few Flesh Titans (Perhaps even one for all we know) and the infernals are immune to magic, while the Flesh Titan isnt..

I'd say Infernal > Flesh Titan if you want to bring in game values into this..

Originally posted by Burning thought
Legion dont have any good leaders apart from maybe Doomlord Kazzak, most of their leaders are dead or otherwise incapacitated. Who do you have in mind that could match Thaddius? he could single handadly polarise the legion and kill them all...

lulz.. no.. Not if you take game values into consideration, which you seem to do..

Originally posted by Burning thought
Abominations dont need to fight infernals, destroyers can suck them away.

simply charging on command the enemy and losing thousands is stupid...full stop..

Curses are basically instant cast, the scourge are commanded by a single mighty mind, they will split up groups and this is simple strategy anyway, besides whats the cast time on dispel? the pitlord would have to keep dispelling itself as it slowly moves into battle until it realises its got no mana so it just lies there and awaits death.

have a look at the Naxxramas harvester of souls dude, ive given you the link already, he does it.

Felhounds will be destroyted by scourge ground forces and Frostwyrms.

But thats not true because the Scourge are far more powerful, and have the full activeness of their army, half the Legion casters will be downed by the Destroyers, also what do you mena destroyers will be kept occupied? by wat? a [b]singel destroyer has a massive long range AOE drain that could on his own drain the mana of a huge legion of.....the legion (damn i said it), he destroyer gets more powerful as it drains and drains, several destroyers, perhaps a few handfulls will just devour the infernals and they will drop to the ground. [/B]

Infernals are immune to magic so what's your point?

Yes and that is why the Legion wouldn't do it as long as there are Doomguards Pit Lord and other highranking leaderraces present on the battlefield.

So is Greater dispel Magic. The Single mighty mind has been removed BT, I said no leaders, else I could say that Kil'Jaeden was guiding the Burning Legion and from afar raining down Infernals. And make it sound like there is only one Pitlord...

No leaders I said.

The frostwyrms erhh no, Nozdurmo has already explained why they wouldn't, as for the groundforces probably but again a single Hound grounded a Adult Dragon...

That isn't a very good explanation on why the Scourge would win, simply because they are far more powerful, wasn't that what you called spamming a few pages back when I said it? Okay so now it's only half of the legion that is getting drained what part if I might ask are getting drained currently? The Doomguards will keep them fully occupied. If he drains such a massive area of the Legion then he is going damage the Scourge more then he damages the spellcasters on the legions part simply because he wouldn't be capable of handling the amount of mana from the spellcasters, when the Legion finds out that the Destroyers feast on mana and that they can overload because of it they are going to make sure that those that are left get the meal of there life. Again the Infernals are immune to magic, just like the destroyers the hole reason that the Destroyers even stand a chance in this is because of the immunity to magic else the Eredar and Natherizim will down the entire Scourge airforce quicker then they got into the air.

If we want to bring in game values, we can always take in Brutallus.. He's not a leader and he has 3.000.000 more HP than Thaddius.. He's a pit lord.. and they got plenty of pit lord..

Should I continue my search for game values that speak in benefit of the Legion? Get real, Burning Thought.. The Scourge gets slaughtered.. Pit Lords alone has proven high resistance to magical damage..

By the way.. Pitlords cant be resurrected.. We all remember Mannoroth being incinerated when he died.. Incinerated beings cant be resurrected, which is stated in the Sunwell Triology..

lol your like a bunch of kids, i say one game value which i said i dont take seriously anyway just as a thing of interest not serious debate and you try and crawl all over it, you see thats the lmit of your debating, you probably WISH that was a real argument so you can base all your arguments around the weakness of that one, problem is it wasnt an argumnet it was just a point of interest i wanted to point out so get over it.....lol

also can you put the direct quote from the trilogy in here please and the page number, theres no reason why incinerated beings shouldnt resurrect, they still have bones and not all Pitlords explode as weve seen from many Pitlords dieing in WoW

And the game value was my only point, wasnt it?

you made a few joking comments about game values...its ridiculous