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Originally posted by DarkC
Yeah, larger than the gnolls probably. I'll give you the fact that there are a lot of Liches out there, but few that are notable.However, they will not be larger than the Nathrezim or Eredar, both of which races are more than 10,000 years old (when you look at the timeline) and have had ample time to breed/multiply.
Incorrect logic. You mentioned it yourself, the Lich King grants them the power individually. The fact that a group is made of members of multiple races does not make them substantially numerous. Look at the Burning Blade if you want an example.
While there are a lot of Lich about, they won't come close to the numbers of the Eredar and Nathrezim, both of which can be fielded in the hundreds in an open battle.
I'm not, but age and experience can be a deciding factor in many battles.
The Eredar and Nathrezim magic, here's a few examples:
-Summoning a corrupted rainstorm that dissolved flesh and armor.
-Summoning an enormous toxic fungi cloud that caused flesh to literally erupt with pistules and pus when it came into contact.
-Summoning hellfire.
-Sucking sorcerors dry of their magic and leaving dried up husks of corpses behind.
-Siezing a volley of arrows in flight and turning them back upon their very own bowmen.
-Dispel magic (including summoned units).
-Infest people with parasites.
-Infernal summoning.
-Exhaustion.
Plus all the magic warlocks are familiar with.
Lich are extremely powerful, but as I said they're limited. They deal with ice and necromancer magic (and skeletons can simply be unanimated with magic).
How does recieving magic from the Lich King make them more powerful than the Eredar? It's like being handed a weapon. It's useless if you don't know how to weild it properly. In their case they recieved a piece of the Lich King's own magic, but they don't seem to weild it fully.
Eredar, mainly. Nathrezim are hardly seen in War of the Ancients.
As always magic works at extremely great fields in the battlefield. As one night elven sorcerer said to an officer:
"We are trying to deal with both the doom guard above and the warlocks in the distance, but to do so we'll need more protection! (From fel hounds)"
So? They can still be assaulted physically, hence why I mentioned the doom guard. The Legion owns and fields them in swarms. In Frozen Throne two or three gryphon riders could easily handle one.
To do that they would have to get past the doom guard in the skies to cast.
And so? They require animation from the Scourge.
Infernal summoning is simply going to destroy the Scourge. They cannot be stopped in the air, they're magic-immune, and they simply just barrel through forces. In the RoC manual they were described as powerful and dangerous enough to destroy cities.
The impact alone causes incredible damage, when it lands. As described in the novel, an infernal impact > calapaults armed with explosives.
And that's just ONE infernal.
Proof?
So your proof that the legion bent on destruction of worlds is stitting around breeding please is required.
Show me where they are fielded in the hundreds please.
Wonderful, and these are useful when the Eredar and legion magic users are unable to cast any spells how?
All beings in this battle are limited, especially the legion casters who cannot cast anything, Liches are incredibly powerful and they use several kinds of magic from shadow, frost, ice etc etc these schools alone could do almost anything from creating void explosions, freezing etc etc, blizzards.
Show me doomguard movmement speed please, and the "swarms" as well. And they wouldnt have to get past much, this is the air, its not like you can create a blockade and Doom guards could simply be sent back to the ground thanks to webbing from the nerubians and other spiderlike entities.
Infernals will be devoured by Destroyers
erm...okie what was that point for? ofc they require animation....
The same proof you have, Pitlord is in small numbers just like Destroyers, only Pitlords are not as good forces.
Originally posted by DarkC
What the -When was the last time you did the "The Air Strikes Must Continue" daily quest? It shows maybe 5-10 Pit Lords down the Dead Scar battling the Scourge, some of them side by side. There's only a few that have been of actual significance or have been named, such as Mannoroth, Azgalor, and Magtheridon.
I'm not sure where you're getting this "incredibly rare as its shown" nonsense when evidence in WoW clearly suggests otherwise.
Kel'Thuzad? Yeah, he's a necromancer in Naxx. And he is also a leader, he's one of the Lich King's chief lieutenants.
jesus 5-10, thats an incredible horde......thats incredibly rare....their nothing in numbers to most beings in the legion thats for sure, like Felguard and Moanarg for instance.
What utrigos said...
Originally posted by DarkC
They have spell immunity.http://www.battle.net/war3/undead/units/infernal.shtml
Good, as i thought, not frost breath immunity, the frost breath isnt a spell....
Originally posted by Utrigita
The Infernals are summoned correct however no magic has any effect on them and Devour Magic is magical in natur how are the destroyer going to devour magic from beings that are immune to magic is beyond me. Furthermore they drain Mana the Infernals have no mana they can drain.The felguards are MG 68
Neither a Zombie ore a Ghoul has been classified as the perfect soldier.
The Liches can control the undead just as well, the impression you was making in your previous post was that the Lich King would be the one commanding the Scourge which in this scenario isn't the case, it's the Death Knights and Liches and Necromancers that have that job,
The Pit Lords are a Entire race, numbers unknown however there are more then 20 highranking pitlords currently, however the number isn't more known then the number of destroyers.
Okay, but why does he has any importance?
No that wasn't the case. Sorry but there is nowhere mentioned that there are endless legions of Abominations and Flesh Titans.
Again if they drain the Warlock they will hit them with the Area of effect drain mana spell, and then they will both target the imps the warlock has with him and the Eredar himself, and we know they can overload, which they are more then likely to do when they try to drain the mana of half the Legion, and where are they placed in there own ranks ore in the air either way it's going to get nasty for the destroyers.
No as said earlier that isn't the case.
Show me where Devour magic is magic itself, it just devours it, plain and simple through the destroyers mouth, the Infernals will all drop as piles of rock and ash.
So? perfect soldier for what? getting killed like a meatshield....great....well they can do that....as the same source it says they do, if the idea behind the legion of a perfect soldier is to do that is fair enough, the Scourge are not soldiers at all...their a relentless legion of deathless warriors who will not stop, who will rise and who will keep coming ripping and clawring, most of which have unholy speed (not zombies) and strength.
The LK is in their minds, he doesnt have to be in the battle, the Scourge is basically the will of the LK, but if Legion need to have the scourge weakened more and more then w/e their still useless in the face of the scourge.
The pitlords are rare, simple, their used as commanders, they wouldnt be if they had as many as Felguards, their hardlyt ever seen in large numbers if at all, infact ime not sure they are ever in a larger number than Dark C has already shown the incredible mass of about 5 and ont all of them are unstopable juggernaughts like their large leaders such as Magtheridon and not all of them will be anything while Crippled wrecks.
hes important because he shows how Necromancers can have many vast powers, same with the point of showing most of the naxxramas chararacters, among them there are incredible summoners, those who can raise the dead again and again, those who use nature/poison magics and contagions...so many diffrrent beings among the scourge and Necromancers being so powerful and all.
Who said endless legions? theres no endless legions of any main soldier type in either force, only problem is...ime afraid the higher tier soldiers of the Scourge are far more powerful and potent.
The AOE drain mana spell will drain everything in the area, could be hundreds of eredar considering the legions stupid formation tactics of bunching up, and ofc if it can be proven theres hudnreds of eredar and just not a few handfulls here and there. yes they overload and explode with their mana energy, then rinse and repeat over and over, considering their drianing some of the most powerful sorcerors in the universe and many mana targets, theyll be exploding almost constantly sending out wave after wave, the destroyers will be fine, their immune to magic so theyll not harm themselves but destroy the legion in the thousands which will rise etc etc and the scourge will continue forwards and so will the Destroyers...
