Originally posted by Trackz
based on this should we assume wolverine is always weakened in all of his fights?
It's always working against something... But not to the degree that it becomes a hinderance in fights... Massive damage done in other fights however.... Seriously, you need to read comics and stop making up character abilities how you see fit just because you don't like it the way it's actually portrayed.
Originally posted by jinzin...I've never made up anything, so based on this and the fact he has been on several teams, does that mean his healing factor has been weakened in all of his fights over the past year or more?
We've already discussed this, and yes, technically Wolverine's healing factor is NEVER at 100% because he's ALWAYS fighting aging, Adamantium poisoining, and the damage his claws do while sheathed and unsheathed.It's always working against something... But not to the degree that it becomes a hinderance in fights... Massive damage done in other fights however.... Seriously, you need to read comics and stop making up character abilities how you see fit just because you don't like it the way it's actually portrayed.
With all the teams hes on and all the missions he's on that don't make the print his healing factor should be on the level where it hinders him in pretty much every fight he's in currently.
Originally posted by jinzin
... was that yuriko at the end there?
No, it's Yukio, the woman whom he was attracted to even while engaged to Mariko Yashida and with whom he left Amiko Kobayashi, his foster daughter. Yukio has always been his 'sometimes lover' after he had to kill Mariko when she was being poisoned. 🙂
Originally posted by Trackz
...I've never made up anything, so based on this and the fact he has been on several teams, does that mean his healing factor has been weakened in all of his fights over the past year or more?With all the teams hes on and all the missions he's on that don't make the print his healing factor should be on the level where it hinders him in pretty much every fight he's in currently.
No, his Healing Factor hasn't been 'weakened'...it's just "in use" all the time, since as Jinzin said, it's always healing something...one would think that it heals all the dead skin we lose every second of the day as well...but that wouldn't constitute calling it 'weak' as a result..
s'like saying the Hulk that can lift 1,000,000lbs is weaker than the Hulk who can lift 1,000,001lbs...you can't tell the difference...
His HF has only been 'weakened' if stated/shown in the comic...On a regular day, Wolverine is as close to 100% as possible, so it's a moot issue..
However, you may be thinking about bone claw Wolverine and how he drastically changed, and was pretty much indestructible w/o the Adamantium since nothing else was holding his HF back, but more recently, Wolverine has healed from much, much more damage WITH the adamantium, so it's safe to say that Wolverine's HF has increased dramatically in recent years, leaving it strong 24/7
Originally posted by SSJ4Wolverineno, I'm saying this because in several fights in this respect thread jinzin cites previous battles or previous events that resulted in weakening wolverines haling factor and thus leading to wolverine succumbs to wounds some think he would take if he were on an average day, I'm asking if wolverine's healing factor is capable of being taxed out or weakened from events several hours before(the fights shown are only hours apart and he is shown to take heavy damage) then is it plausible that in all of wolverines fights he is in a weakened state?
No, his Healing Factor hasn't been 'weakened'...it's just "in use" all the time, since as Jinzin said, it's always healing something...one would think that it heals all the dead skin we lose every second of the day as well...but that wouldn't constitute calling it 'weak' as a result..s'like saying the Hulk that can lift 1,000,000lbs is weaker than the Hulk who can lift 1,000,001lbs...you can't tell the difference...
His HF has only been 'weakened' if stated/shown in the comic...On a regular day, Wolverine is as close to 100% as possible, so it's a moot issue..
However, you may be thinking about bone claw Wolverine and how he drastically changed, and was pretty much indestructible w/o the Adamantium since nothing else was holding his HF back, but more recently, Wolverine has healed from much, much more damage WITH the adamantium, so it's safe to say that Wolverine's HF has increased dramatically in recent years, leaving it strong 24/7
Originally posted by Trackz
no, I'm saying this because in several fights in this respect thread jinzin cites previous battles or previous events that resulted in weakening wolverines haling factor and thus leading to wolverine succumbs to wounds some think he would take if he were on an average day, I'm asking if wolverine's healing factor is capable of being taxed out or weakened from events several hours before(the fights shown are only hours apart and he is shown to take heavy damage) then is it plausible that in all of wolverines fights he is in a weakened state?
Oh, then your answer is a simple: No
Unless Wolverine is fighting enemy after enemy in one long string of battles, his HF should heal him fully, unless there's an outside agent working against it (Omega spores, anti-HF powers, etc)
He's fought battles for days on end without tiring...
Originally posted by SSJ4WolverineHis HF has only been 'weakened' if stated/shown in the comic...On a regular day, Wolverine is as close to 100% as possible, so it's a moot issue..
Thats what any sane person would deduce however if you've been to debates with jinzin if Wolverine sustains any damage then its all over Wolverine isnt at 100 percent. I think Trackz questions are very good but maybe we should take this discussion to a Vs thread.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=311710&pagenumber=133
Personally I would like jinzin to answer the question though.
Originally posted by SSJ4Wolverine
Oh, then your answer is a simple: NoUnless Wolverine is fighting enemy after enemy in one long string of battles, his HF should heal him fully, unless there's an outside agent working against it (Omega spores, anti-HF powers, etc)
He's fought battles for days on end without tiring...
Again thats a sensible answer however all we hear all day long on the vs forum is Wolverines HF isnt 100 percent because something happened before that.
This is ridiculous. Yes, Wolverine's healing factor heals him fully. After he heals, he is just as strong, just as fast, and just as deadly. However, Wolverine's body does not contain a portal to an infinite power source, ala Cyclops, so while Cyclops concussive beams may not lose their power, Wolverine's healing factor isn't so lucky. The harder it works, the more energy it uses, and the closer it gets to its limits. I don't know why this isn't obvious.
Originally posted by Ize19
This is ridiculous. Yes, Wolverine's healing factor heals him fully. After he heals, he is just as strong, just as fast, and just as deadly. However, Wolverine's body does not contain a portal to an infinite power source, ala Cyclops, so while Cyclops concussive beams may not lose their power, Wolverine's healing factor isn't so lucky. The harder it works, the more energy it uses, and the closer it gets to its limits. I don't know why this isn't obvious.
Actually I think the precise question is not wether Wolverine will be 100% its wether his HF will be 100% after healing. People have argued that Wolverines HF can be severely weakened but Wolverine can actually be ok...but really when you think about it if he takes enough damage to weaken his HF it will affect his overall performance.
Thats another thing you hear on vs forum "His HF wasn't weakened he looks fine to me," "Just because hes running or jumping around doesnt mean his HF is 100%"
Anyway im not sure what your views are on the above but from what ive seen it actually takes alot for Wolverines HF not to be 100%
A lot? Sure. Problem is, as issue 73 showed, Wolverine goes through a lot on a pretty much daily basis. And while his healing factor can handle a lot of punishment, there are certain factors that can increase or decrease the effect on it. For instance, if he bleeds out, it takes more energy for his healing factor to replace those blood cells then it does to heal internal bleeding. Also, if he is in a desert, and gets gunned down, the harsh environment can cause his healing factor to empty earlier, such as in issue #67 of his first ongoing solo.
Basically, it's important that when you talk about what it takes to put Wolverine down, you have to list more than just the knockout punch; all the blows he took before did leave their toll, just not in the same way it does most people.
