Wolverine (finally! The Revamped Respect Thread!)

Originally posted by R3d33m3r
so if someone goes up to you, ruins your life, REPEATEDLY tries to kill you and just recently sent your soul to hell, killing a friend of yours and almost killed the xmen you are going to save face...

besides, who the hell would trust mystique. yes he was at peace with his past but that sure as hell doesnt mean his past is at peace with him. what the hell could he have done when she and daken pulled that kind of crap.

HERP A DERP, i will let me psycho of a son and sadist ex-lover walk all over my life.

sure. while we are on the subject i have a bridge i want to sell you.

Maybe a level-headed individual who would at the very least try and think things out, Daken has it right when he says Wolverine only thinks with his claws.

Wolverine is every bit as guilty as they are in this. He knows it too. Hopefully writers pick up on this and he finally learns from this incident.

I haven't read it yet, but from what I can pick up so far, why didn't the Mongrels have healing factors? Every other kid of Wolverine's, canon or otherwise, had pretty good healing factors.

Unless this is them trying to retcon that as being the case of Essex Gene activating v. not, but I just find it odd that this is the first time any spawn of the ol' canucklehead couldn't heal.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I haven't read it yet, but from what I can pick up so far, why didn't the Mongrels have healing factors? Every other kid of Wolverine's, canon or otherwise, had pretty good healing factors.

Unless this is them trying to retcon that as being the case of Essex Gene activating v. not, but I just find it odd that this is the first time any spawn of the ol' canucklehead couldn't heal.

M-day could of effected Mongrels mutant powers or maybe your theory was correct, that the x-gene wasn't pass down.

Originally posted by Trackz
has Wolverine ever taken a blast like he did in Uncanny X-force?

It wasn't the damage that almost killed it him, it's that Genocide's radiation conveniently inhibits his healing factor. Plot device.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I haven't read it yet, but from what I can pick up so far, why didn't the Mongrels have healing factors? Every other kid of Wolverine's, canon or otherwise, had pretty good healing factors.

Unless this is them trying to retcon that as being the case of Essex Gene activating v. not, but I just find it odd that this is the first time any spawn of the ol' canucklehead couldn't heal.

A parents mutant power has little to no effect on the potential powers of their progeny outside of influencing lazy writers. Flex was supposed to be Wolverine's son and his power was to turn parts of his body into organic metal. The odds of Wolverine's kids having the ability to shoot lasers out of their eyes is supposed to be just as high as the chance of them getting a healing factor.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
A parents mutant power has little to no effect on the potential powers of their progeny outside of influencing lazy writers. Flex was supposed to be Wolverine's son and his power was to turn parts of his body into organic metal. The odds of Wolverine's kids having the ability to shoot lasers out of their eyes is supposed to be just as high as the chance of them getting a healing factor.

Supposed.

Except Daken, Rina Logan, Rancor (far descendant, but still), Kendall Logan, Jimmy Hudson (son of an alt Wolverine, but still) and Wolverine's daughter from Snikt! (I think it was said she was supposed to at least) all had healing factors.

Edit: Then there's the Timestorm event where Ghost Rider 2099 thought 616 Wolverine was one of Wolverine 2099's kids because he was so much like him.

Wolverine's progeny tend to take after him more often than not and it doesn't go against general mutant heredity since Logan is either supposed to be some kind of mutant in his own class (though I know that's a carry over from when his origin was supposed to be an actual Wolverine turned human) or a member of a specific breed of mutant like what Angel and Nightcrawler were a while back ( a la Origins).

I mean, it makes more compelling story telling, but it just seems that nearly every other son, daughter or descendant of Wolverine's can heal pretty good.

Forgot Sabreclaw and I guess Avery Connor doesn't count since she's a clone like X-23 and not his daughter.

Does Kirika have a healing factor or just Wolverine's claws?

And if we go past just Children, Wolverine's brothers (Sabertooth in at least one reality, John Howlett Jr from Wolverine: The End and supposedly his older brother from 616 who scarred his mother) either had, supposedly had or probably had healing factors.

Originally posted by Trackz
nothing Wolverine and every other hero hasn't been through before.

Maybe a level-headed individual who would at the very least try and think things out, Daken has it right when he says Wolverine only thinks with his claws.

Wolverine is every bit as guilty as they are in this. He knows it too. Hopefully writers pick up on this and he finally learns from this incident.

I agree that a more level headed hero would have found a better solution but what I am trying to say is Wolverine's life has been nothing short of complete and utter hell.

Yes, he is guilty for killing those people. I am not refuting that, I am saying is considering all the crap he went through, I can understand.

Unfortunately, considering this has been a major plot point, most writers will flat out ignore this character development if it doesnt fit their mold of Logan 🙁.

Originally posted by Trackz
nothing Wolverine and every other hero hasn't been through before.

Maybe a level-headed individual who would at the very least try and think things out, Daken has it right when he says Wolverine only thinks with his claws.

Wolverine is every bit as guilty as they are in this. He knows it too. Hopefully writers pick up on this and he finally learns from this incident.

Psh he can't learn for more than one arc. Status quo and al lthat jazz

Originally posted by jalek moye
Psh he can't learn for more than one arc. Status quo and al lthat jazz

Unfortunately, my point exactly 🙁. The writers will keep shitting on his life.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It wasn't the damage that almost killed it him, it's that Genocide's radiation conveniently inhibits his healing factor. Plot device.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
A parents mutant power has little to no effect on the potential powers of their progeny outside of influencing lazy writers. Flex was supposed to be Wolverine's son and his power was to turn parts of his body into organic metal. The odds of Wolverine's kids having the ability to shoot lasers out of their eyes is supposed to be just as high as the chance of them getting a healing factor.

Originally posted by Trackz
nothing Wolverine and every other hero hasn't been through before.

Thats bullshit most heroes haven't been through what Wolverine has. You do realise he was kidnapped tortured and manipulated into being a killing machine?

Wolverine why you so cranky?

Originally posted by Trackz
isn't it different for feral mutants though seeing as they're a subspecies?

That's what I said too.

Originally posted by Trackz
inhibited or overloaded? I forget which was stated

I just read that one yesterday while working on the Dark Beast respect thread and I believe Deathlok said the radiation was overloading his healing factor. But I'll need to doublecheck.

Edit: Yup, he said it "threatened to overload" his healing factor.

Originally posted by Deadline
Thats bullshit most heroes haven't been through what Wolverine has. You do realise he was kidnapped tortured and manipulated into being a killing machine?

Wolverine why you so cranky?

We weren't talking about wolverines entire history

Originally posted by Trackz
do you know what that quote was in response too?

We weren't talking about wolverines entire history

Yea I do, you're still wrong.

You basically said alot of stuff that happened to him with his fault. He should know better, other heroes have been through similar stuff. You're wrong. What happened to Wolverine in the past is why he behave the way he does today, it can't be omitted.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yea I do, you're still wrong.

You basically said alot of stuff that happened to him with his fault. He should know better, other heroes have been through similar stuff. You're wrong. What happened to Wolverine in the past is why he behave the way he does today, it can't be omitted.

we were talking about the red right hand and how their whole scheme basically played into all of Wolverine's character flaws.

You could've put nearly any other hero in logan's shoes and they probably wouldn't have made the mistakes that Logan made, that is not false.

Originally posted by R3d33m3r
I agree that a more level headed hero would have found a better solution but what I am trying to say is Wolverine's life has been nothing short of complete and utter hell.

Yes, he is guilty for killing those people. I am not refuting that, I am saying is considering all the crap he went through, I can understand.

Unfortunately, considering this has been a major plot point, most writers will flat out ignore this character development if it doesnt fit their mold of Logan 🙁.