Superman/HP Doomsday vs Silver Surfer/WWH

Started by fangirl1015 pages
Originally posted by darthgoober
So NO ONE has ever manipulated Entropy in DC?

Extant, parallax, krona. All of whom are universal and higher in power level.

Originally posted by darthgoober
So NO ONE has ever manipulated Entropy in DC?

2, 3 if the Time Trapper counts. Classic Parallax, and Extant. Krona may or may not count, not sure how canon he is.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
2, 3 if the Time Trapper counts. Classic Parallax, and Extant. Krona may or may not count, not sure how canon he is.
As canon as Trinity #1 is.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
2, 3 if the Time Trapper counts. Classic Parallax, and Extant. Krona may or may not count, not sure how canon he is.

Alright now how many times has someone like Firestorm or a noteworthy GL failed to manipulate it?

See Extant's respect thread, Parallax's, Time Trapper's and Krona's if he has one.

Oh, and Imperiex Prime too.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Alright now how many times has someone like Firestorm or a noteworthy GL failed to manipulate it?

Firestorm>GL.

He's a universal elemental. And the point is, no one dare. if they do, dc would be less one comic property. only the uber guys can mess with it.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
See Extant's respect thread, Parallax's, Time Trapper's and Krona's if he has one.

Oh, and Imperiex Prime too.


Why would I look at their respect threads when my question is about guys like Firestorm and GL...
Originally posted by darthgoober
Alright now how many times has someone like Firestorm or a noteworthy GL failed to manipulate it?

Because there are numerous examples of what Entropy does and how none of them are able to manipulate it. Even DD couldn't evolve past it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Why would I look at their respect threads when my question is about guys like Firestorm and GL...
You are asking to prove a negative. No one tries because no one dares.

You need to learn to debate properly.

You said:

Originally posted by darthgoober
And Surfer can do just that...

When ask to show proof, you did this:

Originally posted by darthgoober
Show me DD resisting being sent through time...

Post a scan or maybe link.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
You need to learn to debate properly.

You said:

When ask to show proof, you did this:

Post a scan or maybe link.


You need to learn to follow a debate properly. What I actually said was...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Why would it take someone like DS to do that? If you can send stuff through time, then you can send stuff through time. And Surfer can do just that...

To which nvr replied...

Originally posted by fangirl101
Show me surfer sending a being like dd who resist powers thru time. Didn't it take Superman and Waverider to do that to DD? And can surfer bend time all the way to the beginning to entropy? wave rider as I said is clearly above everyone that is not a God in time powers. Plus he had amped superman to help him.

See no one was really questioning Surfer's ability to manipulate time so I didn't feel the need to prove his ability to do so. What nvr's really wanting is proof that DD's evolution powers WON'T be able to counter a temporal BFR based on a character similar to DD. But since the temporal BFR tactic proved to be effective against DD himself(and was never countered or "evolved past"😉 in the Hunter/Prey storyline and he acknowledges Surfer's ability to use that very tactic, it's actually up to him to offer up some proof to support DD's resisting it.

But if you yourself are in doubt of Surfer's ability to send things through time then here's a couple of examples...

BFR’s Durok into the far future
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2946/thor19327zt8.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9743/thor19328hv7.jpg

Surfer's double sends him and Alicia Masters to the past...
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/814/silversurferv3128p23ji5.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6852/silversurferv3128p24ds2.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6344/silversurferv3129p02nq5.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9518/silversurferv3129p03gt2.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/2962/silversurferv3129p04uf2.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2230/silversurferv3129p05rw2.jpg

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Because there are numerous examples of what Entropy does and how none of them are able to manipulate it. Even DD couldn't evolve past it.

Well then what are the examples? If you don't have them then what are the issue/arc numbers so I check them out?

Originally posted by fangirl101
You are asking to prove a negative. No one tries because no one dares.

And where is THAT stated?

Darth, don't take away H/P Doomsday from them. It's like... taking away a security blanket from a baby. I mean, you possibly could, but... why? It'd just be cruel. 🙁

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Darth, don't take away H/P Doomsday from them. It's like... taking away a security blanket from a baby. I mean, you possibly could, but... why? It'd just be cruel. 🙁

your trolling and flaming.

If we are talking about the very last appearance of H/P doomsday, in the story, he would have evolved past temporal displacement as it's already been used on him once.

Originally posted by fangirl101
your trolling and flaming.
You may think that's what I'm doing. But I'm really just trying to convince him not to tear down the walking plot-device that H/P Doomsday is. Because if anybody could, it'd be Darth. I already see where he's going with his directed questions and line of reasoning. And really, it would be cruel. But if you don't want me to say so. Okie.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You may think that's what I'm doing. But I'm really just trying to convince him not to tear down the walking plot-device that H/P Doomsday is. Because if anybody could, it'd be Darth. I already see where he's going with his directed questions and line of reasoning. And really, it would be cruel. But if you don't want me to say so. Okie.

He actually isn't doing that. Once The time powers have been used on DD, then they wont' work. And since the radiant's energy and DS energy are useless, I'd imagine surfer's would be as well.

Team 1.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And where is THAT stated?

Because the last time someone tried, it created the Anti-matter universe.

Krona's experiments involved trying to see the beginning of the universe, and while doing that, he unleashed entropy into the multiverse........unless they retconned it again.

I can't remember what story arc Extant was in, something JSA. Zero Hour, OWAW, the action comics issue where the Entropy Aegis one-shots DD, various crossovers like JLA/Avengers featuring Krona, Hunter/Prey, anything LSH involving time trapper, and I think that's it.