Lord Rayden vs Emperor Palpatine

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Raiden kills Liu Kang in less than TWO SECONDS with one of his electric attacks here.....Liu Kang, mortal.....Palpy, mortal.

That's the game.

Still, Raiden wins.

Hey, others here have taken it upon themselves to go beyond the rules of the thread, I am following suit.

Really? Well if this is going to just turn into shit, Sideous in DE can teleport, and has lightning that rips up time itself and destroys multiple mile-long ships.

In addition, if you're using video games hen youalso acknowledge that video game Raiden's lightning moves slow as hell, so it's easily dodgable, especially to a man who as moving so fast that he was invisible. Sideous DE feats > Raiden even with his video game feats.

So... he still wins.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Really? Well if this is going to just turn into shit, Sideous in DE can teleport, and has lightning that rips up time itself and destroys multiple mile-long ships.

In addition, if you're using video games hen youalso acknowledge that video game Raiden's lightning moves slow as hell, so it's easily dodgable, especially to a man who as moving so fast that he was invisible. Sideous DE feats > Raiden even with his video game feats.

So... he still wins.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Storm_%28wormhole%29

He can teleport others, as well as himself, acrosss the Galaxy on a whim... as well as destroy capital ships (The Eclipse) that are larger then cities. Instantly.'

"Cho mai: Luke managed to defeat the reborn Emperor Palpatine in a lightsaber duel, slicing off his hand with cho mai. It should be noted that Palpatine was perhaps one of the best swordsmen in lightsaber history, and even Yoda, Luke's own master, was unable to defeat him. Leia, who was watching the fight, could hardly see the movements of Luke and the Emperor, but she sensed waves of power generating from them—dark from the Emperor, and light from Luke"

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_Skywalker#Return_of_the_Emperor

At that point (DE) Leia was a trained force sensitive. Yet even with her force enhanced reflexes Sideous and Luke were moving much, much faster then her eyes could follow. To someone without the force, invisible. You had no trouble believing this fact when I was using it in my arguments in the Luke vs. Neo thread...

And by the way, here's Raiden canonically getting knocked the **** out by Taven, a mere "mortal" who is far weaker and slower then Palpatine. Plus he doesn't have the force.

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Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Storm_%28wormhole%29

He can teleport others, as well as himself, acrosss the Galaxy on a whim... as well as destroy capital ships (The Eclipse) that are larger then cities. Instantly.'

"Cho mai: Luke managed to defeat the reborn Emperor Palpatine in a lightsaber duel, slicing off his hand with cho mai. It should be noted that Palpatine was perhaps one of the best swordsmen in lightsaber history, and even Yoda, Luke's own master, was unable to defeat him. [b]Leia, who was watching the fight, could hardly see the movements of Luke and the Emperor, but she sensed waves of power generating from them—dark from the Emperor, and light from Luke"

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_Skywalker#Return_of_the_Emperor

At that point (DE) Leia was a trained force sensitive. Yet even with her force enhanced reflexes Sideous and Luke were moving much, much faster then her eyes could follow. To someone without the force, invisible. You had no trouble believing this fact when I was using it in my arguments in the Luke vs. Neo thread... [/B]

Which is still the Emperor, just in a weaker body, you idiot.

Now I understand why you were riding my coat tails in the other thread, clinging to my arguments. You don't actually know anything about Star Wars.

And your strawmanning again. Feel free to notice the video.

Here, I'll spell everything out for you. I'm used to holding your hand by now.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Palpatine#Palpatine_Reborn_.284.E2.80.9311_ABY.29

"But even death was not the end for Palpatine. Unlike his Sith predecessors, Palpatine had never intended to be replaced by an apprentice, expecting his Empire to rule the galaxy eternally, with only himself as its true leader. Unable to rediscover his Master's lost secret, Palpatine had to find a different way to cheat death... At an unknown point in time prior to his death at the Battle of Endor Palpatine had found a different way to cheat death by preserving his spirit after the death of his body, by the method of spirit transference. He arranged for a series of clones of himself to be created for his spirit to possess, in the event that he would perish... Unfortunately, the clones were heavily ravaged by the dark side and not sustained by the Force. Each body he took would age and deteriorate more quickly than the last. But the Dark Lord wasn't concerned; he had an endless supply of clones which he could use to rule the Empire."

The only "clone" part was the physical, empty vessel. The spirit, the mind, the abilities, the powers, the essense, is still the exact same original Palpatine. It's actually an even more inrecible fear for Palpatine, because the clone bodies themselves were weak and deteriating, so all of his power came from hs own spirit, not the bodies.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Which is still the Emperor, just in a weaker body, you idiot.

Now I understand why you were riding my coat tails in the other thread, clinging to my arguments. You don't actually know anything about Star Wars.

And your strawmanning again. Feel free to notice the video.

I know nothing about SW, right. Keep on saying that, maybe you will actually believe it.

And Taven, a mortal?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taven_(Mortal_Kombat)

Hmmm.......What now? Gonna dig yourself a bit deeper?

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Here, I'll spell everything out for you. I'm used to holding your hand by now.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Palpatine#Palpatine_Reborn_.284.E2.80.9311_ABY.29

"But even death was not the end for Palpatine. Unlike his Sith predecessors, Palpatine had never intended to be replaced by an apprentice, expecting his Empire to rule the galaxy eternally, with only himself as its true leader. Unable to rediscover his Master's lost secret, Palpatine had to find a different way to cheat death... At an unknown point in time prior to his death at the Battle of Endor Palpatine had found a different way to cheat death by preserving his spirit after the death of his body, by the method of spirit transference. He arranged for a series of clones of himself to be created for his spirit to possess, in the event that he would perish... Unfortunately, the clones were heavily ravaged by the dark side and not sustained by the Force. Each body he took would age and deteriorate more quickly than the last. But the Dark Lord wasn't concerned; he had an endless supply of clones which he could use to rule the Empire."

The only "clone" part was the physical, empty vessel. The spirit, the mind, the abilities, the powers, the essense, is still the exact same original Palpatine. It's actually an even more inrecible fear for Palpatine, because the clone bodies themselves were weak and deteriating, so all of his power came from hs own spirit, not the bodies.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
[B]It's not Palpy, plain and simple. Thats like comparing Jango Fett to Boba Fett.

Yes it is. Learn to read. I know it's hard for you, but I even used small words in the above post, just so you can understand it. Don't pass over it, I'm sure you can do it if you try real hard.

And Taven, a mortal?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taven_(Mortal_Kombat)

Hmmm.......What now? Gonna dig yourself a bit deeper?

And again, you fail. Where does it say he isn't a mortal? It says he is a half-god. That doesn't make him immortal. And look what it says in your own damn proof. Daegon, Taven's half-god brother, killed their parents, one of which was a full god and the other wasn't (Argus, Taven's father, was "the most poweerful God in Edneia." Yet he was killed. hm...). So... about that immortality thing? If the most powrful god int he entire realm was killed, obviously he wasn't immortal, and by that same token, Raiden who is the same type of god as Argus is also not immortal. So how is a half god immortal?

Spin it any way you want, it's a CLONE, NOT PALPY. Try again.

Why? Because you say so? Provide proof for why it's "not palpy" and maybe I'll care. All yoru doing right now is crying.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Yes it is. Learn to read. I know it's for you, but I even sued small words in the above post, just so you can understand it. Don't pass it over it, I'm sure you do it if you try real hard.

And again, you fail. Where does it say he isn't a mortal? It says he is a half-god. That doesn't make him immortal. And look what it says in your own damn proof. Daegon, Taven's half-god brother, killed their parents, one ofwhich was a full god and the other wasn't. So... about that immortality thing..

Provide proof for why it's "not palpy" and maybe I'll care. All yoru doing right now is crying.

Is Jango Fett Boba Fett? Nope. It's not rocket science, you know.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Half God, you just said it. Hercules was half god, and his strength far surpassed that of a mortal. Immortal or not, he is HALF GOD, and therefore possesses strength far greater than a human.

Why even bring up strength? I never even said strength. [b]You said that Taven was not a mortal, that he was a half-god. I said that being a half-god does not make him immortal because his father was a full god like Raiden, yet he was still killed. hence, he is not immortal, and neither is Raiden.

I see your point though, and it's wrong. Taven was a half-god, yes. But he was still not physically stronger then a human. He was hard pressed to beat Sonya Blade, Sektor, Kobra, etc. All of whom were not stronger then your usual humans in the mortal kombat-verse, and Palpatine would destroy all of those people without much effort.

Because....it's....a clone......

Is Jango Fett Boba Fett? Nope. It's not rocket science, you know.

Jango Fett are Boba Fett are also two entirely different people with different souls. Palpatine's clones aren't their own people., it's just the same palpatine but in a different body. He's basically a demon, hence the "spirit transfer technique". He posses people. There's a reason Wookipedia states that Palpatine is the same person even though he's in a different body.

So... I'm still looking for proof from you, since you made the claim. Again, actual proof would be nice, not just your reasonings and interpretations.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Why even bring up strength? I never even said strength. [b]You said that Taven was not a mortal, that he was a half-god. I said that being a half-god does not make him immortal because his father was a full god like Raiden, yet he was still killed. hence, he is not immortal, and neither is Raiden.

I see your point though, and it's wrong. Taven was a half-god, yes. But he was still not physically stronger then a human. He was hard pressed to beat Sonya Blade, Sektor, Kobra, etc. All of whom were not stronger then your usual humans in the mortal kombat-verse, and Palpatine would destroy all of those people without much effort.

Jango Fett are Boba Fett are also two entirely different people with different souls. Palpatine's clones aren't their own people., it's just the same palpatine but in a different body. He's basically a demon, hence the "spirit transfer technique". He posses people. There's a reason Wookipedia states that Palpatine is the same person even though he's in a different body.

So... I'm still looking for proof from you, since you made the claim. Again, actual proof would be nice, not just your reasonings and interpretations. [/B]

Taven was hard pressed to beat Sonya Blade, Sektor, Kobra, etc., but knocked out Raiden....do you see the holes in your argument? If he knocked out a GOD, he should have no trouble beating a human.

And your word is all we have to go on as to his strength. Half God means more than human, less than a God, therefore far stronger than a human.

So first you totally break the rules of the thread, adding shit on as you go to suit your argument, and now you have resorted to Palpys CLONE.

Reach much?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
[B]Taven was hard pressed to beat Sonya Blade, Sektor, Kobra, etc., but knocked out Raiden....do you see the holes in your argument? If he knocked out a GOD, he should have no trouble beating a human.

Or maybe gods just aren't as strong as you like to pretend they are. The "holes" in my argument don't matter, it's Mortal Kombat's story and if they want to show humans and half-gods being superior or on equal footing to gods, then that is there choice. As far as Mortal Kombat is cocnerned, yes, Raiden is not that much stronger then Sonya, Sektor, Kobra etc. Just goes to show that he isn't as powerful as you wish him to be. That's how the game makers wanted it to be like, that's how they did it. Deal with it.

And your word is all we have to go on as to his strength. Half God means more than human, less than a God, therefore far stronger than a human.

No... half-god means one of your parents was a god and the other wasn't. That's it. A "God" is just a being with supernatural abilities. Super natural does not always equal super human.

So first you totally break the rules of the thread,

Debatable. And you've been doing the same shit. Last I checked, it was you who first posted a video showing video game Raiden... so are you going to give me the "two wrongs make a right" speech RJ? "Well you were doing it so I did it too!!!!!!!"

Pathetic.

adding shit on as you go to suit your argument

Hypocrite. Myself, Robtard, and even Bardock, who thinks Raiden would win, have caught you and called you out on doing so. Only difference is that the shit I'm adding is correct, and I know more about both Raiden and Palpatine then you ever will, since all you have to go on is wikipedia articles and youtube videos whereas I have actually beaten and own all of the Mortal Kombat games, as well as read all of the novels and comics that Palpatine is in, and seen the movies. Can't say the same for you though, buddy.

and now you have resorted to Palpys CLONE.

You mean Palpatine in just a different body, right? And you didn't post a counter argument so I guess you can't. Good. This thread is over then, Sideous wins.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Or maybe gods just aren't as strong as you like to pretend they are. The "holes" in my argument don't matter, it's Mortal Kombat's story and if they want to show humans and half-gods being superior or on equal footing to gods, then that is there choice. As far as Mortal Kombat is cocnerned, yes, Raiden is not that much stronger then Sonya, Sektor, Kobra etc. Just goes to show that he isn't as powerful as you wish him to be. That's how the game makers wanted it to be like, that's how they did it. Deal with it.

No... half-god means one of your parents was a god and the other wasn't. That's it. A "God" is just a being with supernatural abilities. Super natural does not always equal super human.

Debatable. And you've been doing the same shit. Last I checked, it was you who first posted a video showing video game Raiden... so are you going to give me the "two wrongs make a right" speech RJ? "Well you were doing it so I did it too!!!!!!!"

Pathetic.

Hypocrite. Myself, Robtard, and even Bardock, who thinks Raiden would win, have caught you and called you out on doing so. Only difference is that the shit I'm adding is correct, and I know more about both Raiden and Palpatine then you ever will, since all you have to go on is wikipedia articles and youtube videos whereas I have actually beaten and own all of the Mortal Kombat games, as well as read all of the novels and comics that Palpatine is in, and seen the movies. Can't say the same for you though, buddy.

You mean Palpatine in just a different body, right? And you didn't post a counter argument so I guess you can't. Good. This thread is over then, Sideous wins.

I thought the idea is that Palpatine's "clones" are indeed him.

]So now you are speaking for the game makers?

No. The game speaks for itself. The game depcits, in it's canon story mode, Taven being hard pressed to beat Sonya, Sektor, etc., yet still knocking Raiden out.

Tell me, how is Mr. Boon? You have trouble wrapping your mind around the idea of someone being a GOD, and what makes them a God.

Ask Mr.Boon himself. he is the one who has shown Raiden to not be that much stronger then humans and half-gods, and what he shows and what is canon is law, even if it does not seem logical to you.

Half God means super human strength.

Prove it.

Name me one example of any fictional half god who could not easily beat a human.

Taven. 😐

I see, you started all the adding on shit, so I was supposed to just sit back and stick to Christopher Lamberts Raiden? You couldnt win the argument according to the thread rules, so you broke them. THAT is pathetic.

Broke the rules according to you. Until Impediment himself comes in here and tells me that what I did was wrong, I don't care what your opinion of what the rules are is.

Mob mentality.

No. Just proof thast you're an idiot.

😂 Dude, I grew up on SW, I have read almost all the novels,

So did I. And I've read all the novels. *shrug*

I mean it is not Palpy, it is a frigging clone, and the fact that your entire argument is based on Palpy in a CLONE body shows that you are grasping for straws. [/B]

No it doesn't.

I thought the idea is that Palpatine's "clones" are indeed him.

Correct. RJ apparently does not understand this, though.