Lord Rayden vs Emperor Palpatine

Not really, considering all of Raiden's attacks are dodgable and blockable, whereas Sideous force attacks are for the most part instantaneous, undetectable, and unblockable. Raiden can not detect the force, he can not sense the force, he can not see the force or feel the force. He has no way of knowing if it's being used. So even if he knew what Sideous was capable of, he wouldn't know if Palps is actually using any of the attacks until after he's hit by it, since there are no tell tale signs that the force will be used. So essentially, he won't know whats going on until after his neck has been snapped or his lungs have been crushed.

How do you figure Raidens attacks are blockable?

Thing is, if Raiden knows about Palpys powers, he aint gonna sit there like an moron, he is gonna teleport all around the room, wait for an opening, and attack.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How do you figure Raidens attacks are blockable?

Thing is, if Raiden knows about Palpys powers, he aint gonna sit there like an moron, he is gonna teleport all around the room, wait for an opening, and attack.

Wouldn't Palpatine also posses that premonition that you touted on and on about in regards to Luke and how attacks wouldn't hit him because of it?

Because Raiden's lightning has been shown to be blockable in the all of the games, which his character is based off of, and we've seen time and again that force users tend to have no problems with blocking lightning?

If you have proof that Raiden's attacks are unblockable, show it to me.

Thing is, if Raiden knows about Palpys powers, he aint gonna sit there like an moron, he is gonna teleport all around the room, wait for an opening, and attack.

Prove that he can "teleport" from the force. The force isn't some monster or invisible hand trying to grab him. It's basically reality itself. And besides Raiden can not teleport around the room forever. If he could, why doesn't he do so in his fights in the movies, as opposed to running and doing flips like everyone else around him?

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Because Raiden's lightning has been shown to be blockable in the all of the games, which his character is based off of, and we've seen time and again that force users tend to have no problems with blocking lightning?

If you have proof that Raiden's attacks are unblockable, show it to me.

Prove that he can "teleport" from the force. The force isn't some monster or invisible hand trying to grab him. It's basically reality itself. And besides Raiden can not teleport around the room forever. If he could, why doesn't he do so in his fights in the movies, as opposed to running and doing flips like everyone else around him?

Teleport from the force? Elaborate on that.

I bring the games into it because what the **** else am I supposed to go off of? Your word? Movie Raiden is based off of video game Raiden, his personality is based off of video game Raiden, his feats are based off of video game Raiden, his powers are based off of video game Raiden. Hence, it's logical to assume that his powers work the same way as his video game counter part. It's a hell of a lot more logical then your argument, which is nothing more then "Raiden's attacks are unblockable because I say so". If you think Raiden's attacks are unblockable and undodgable, provide proof, or hush up. If you can't, your argument is void and we can move on.

Teleport from the force? Elaborate on that.

Your entire argument hinges upon two things: Raiden's attacks being unblockable (which is false), and him teleporting away from all of Palpatine's attacks. You say he'll just teleport around the room constantly firing off attacks and looking for openings. I call bullshit, because there is no proof that Raiden can teleport around in circles forever, if there was he would just do it in all of his fights, which he doesn't. Second, you can not dodge a force attack by teleporting because the force is not a tangible object, it's all encompassing and it is everywhere, so if Palpatine tries to crush his chest and Raiden teleports to the opposite end of the room he'll still be hit by the attack and his chest will still eb crushed because the force is everywhere and you can not "avoid" it.

edit- and by the way, you're now arguing about Raiden and Sideous knowing each others attacks, even though the thread starter never specified as such. So... why are you taking the thread's scenario into your hands?

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I bring the games into it because what the **** else am I supposed to go off of? Your word? Movie Raiden is based off of video game Raiden, his personality is based off of video game Raiden, his feats are based off of video game Raiden, his powers are based off of video game Raiden. Hence, it's logical to assume that his powers work the same way as his video game counter part. It's a hell of a lot more logical then your argument, which is nothing more then "Raiden's attacks are unblockable because I say so". If you think Raiden's attacks are unblockable and undodgable, provide proof, or hush up. If you can't, your argument is void and we can move on.

Your entire argument hinges upon two things: Raiden's attacks being unblockable (which is false), and him teleporting away from all of Palpatine's attacks. You say he'll just teleport around the room constantly firing off attacks and looking for openings. I call bullshit, because there is no proof that Raiden can teleport around in circles forever, if there was he would just do it in all of his fights, which he doesn't. Second, you can not dodge a force attack by teleporting because the force is not a tangible object, it's all encompassing and it is everywhere, so if Palpatine tries to crush his chest and Raiden teleports to the opposite end of the room he'll still be hit by the attack and his chest will still eb crushed because the force is everywhere and you can not "avoid" it.

edit- and by the way, you're now arguing about Raiden and Sideous knowing each others attacks, even though the thread starter never specified as such. So... why are you taking the thread's scenario into your hands?

You know NOTHING of force attacks it seems. Yes, the force is all encompassing, but that doesnt mean the attacks Palpy throws at him don't have to be aimed. If Raiden is standing there and Palpy force attacks him, and Raiden teleports behind him, the force attack MISSES.

And if you are gonna throw in video game Raiden, I am gonna throw in Raiden from the second MK movie. Raiden gets in close and thats all she wrote, he is a master at hand to hand combat. Palpy wouldnt last ten seconds with Raiden in his face.

You dug yourself in a mighty big hole it seems. lets see you dig yourself out.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
[B]I never said they were unblockable, YOU said they were blockable, and until you provide PROOF that CHRISTOPHER LAMBERTS Raiden, NOT video game Raiden can have his attacks blocked, drop it. YOU brought it up, you made a claim, back it up with proof.

I already did. We have seen force users block lightning all the time with both their lightsabers and with juust the force. I have stated this numerous times. Your turn to provide a counter-argument. Show me in-movie proof please, if you can. I doubt you can though.

You know NOTHING of force attacks it seems. Yes, the force is all encompassing, but that doesnt mean the attacks Palpy throws at him don't have to be aimed. If Raiden is standing there and Palpy force attacks him, and Raiden teleports behind him, the force attack MISSES.

Prove it.

nd if you are gonna throw in video game Raiden, I am gonna throw in Raiden from the second MK movie. Raiden gets in close and thats all she wrote, he is a master at hand to hand combat. Palpy wouldnt last ten seconds with Raiden in his face.

No he wouldn't... because he'd get sliced in half by Sideous' lightsaber. Or... his chest would just get crushed. Just because he's "in his face" doesn't mean force attacks can not be used.

So... no. Sideous would still win this pretty easily.

And don't try to use a strawman fallacy, RJ. It's sad.

You say he'll just teleport around the room constantly firing off attacks and looking for openings. I call bullshit, because there is no proof that Raiden can teleport around in circles forever, if there was he would just do it in all of his fights, which he doesn't.

edit- and by the way, you're now arguing about Raiden and Sideous knowing each others attacks, even though the thread starter never specified as such. So... why are you taking the thread's scenario into your hands?

Don't forget about this.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I already did. We have seen force users block lightning all the time with both their lightsabers and with juust the force. I have stated this numerous times. Your turn to provide a counter-argument. Show me in-movie proof please, if you can. I doubt you can though.

Prove it.

No he wouldn't... because he'd get sliced in half by Sideous' lightsaber. Or... his chest would just get crushed. Just because he's "in his face" doesn't mean force attacks can not be used.

So... no. Sideous would still win this pretty easily.

And Raiden is a God. To Quote Lui Kang in the second MK movie: "Your blood flows, Khan, just like the blood of a mortal."....See how that works? You break the rules of the thread, you bring in shit that doesnt belong in the thread, and I PROVE that Raiden is a God. Funny that you are actually defeating yourself here.

Raiden...GOD
Palpy....MORTAL

DO THE MATH

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
[B]Hey, I didnt say "Raidens attacks cannot be blocked." You said they can be blocked. Dont try to turn the tables, just back up your claim with proof.

I already did. If you can no t, or will not, provide a counter-argument, then there is no point in pursuing the point.

Raiden's atacks are blockable.

Watch the SW movies. Watch the force attacks. Watch and pay attention.

That's not proof. That's fallible interpretation.

And Raiden is a God. To Quote Lui Kang in the second MK movie: "Your blood flows, Khan, just like the blood of a mortal."....See how that works? You break the rules of the thread, you bring in shit that doesnt belong in the thread, and I PROVE that Raiden is a God.

I never said he WASN'T a god. I said being a god doesn't make him infallible. There are different kinds of gods. Not all gods have infinite power. Not all gods have infinite energy. Not all gods are immortal. Show me where I said he wasn't a god. And immortal just means you can not die. You can still be knocked out/sliced in half, fried, defeated. Immortality is irrelevant.

Raiden...GOD
Palpy....MORTAL

You don't even know what a god is. What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Robtard
Wouldn't Palpatine also posses that premonition that you touted on and on about in regards to Luke and how attacks wouldn't hit him because of it?

Also like to bring this up, since it was a good point.

Even if Raiden can teleport around forever, how is that going to do anything? Sideous can easily anticipate anything Raiden does.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I already did. If you can no t, or will not, provide a counter-argument, then there is no point in pursuing the point.

Raiden's atacks are blockable.

That's not proof. That's fallible interpretation.

I never said he WASN'T a god. I said being a god doesn't make him infallible. There are different kinds of gods. Not all gods have infinite power. Not all gods have infinite energy. Not all gods are immortal. Show me where I said he wasn't a god. And immortal just means you can not die. You can still be knocked out/sliced in half, fried, defeated. Immortality is irrelevant.[/b]

You don't even know what a god is. What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Also like to bring this up, since it was a good point.

Even if Raiden can teleport around forever, how is that going to do anything? Sideous can easily anticipate anything Raiden does.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Raiden is no ordinary mortal, you think it will be that easy to read his mind?

It's not mind reading, it's the ability to sense things before they happen, as said by Qui Gon Gin(sp?) in Ep 1.

Palpatine "pwns" Raiden. Either with force powers or saber.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's not mind reading, it's the ability to sense things before they happen, as said by Qui Gon Gin(sp?) in Ep 1.

Palpatine "pwns" Raiden. Either with force powers or saber.

If he did, why did he get tossed down a reactor shaft by Vader? Remember when he and Yoda are fighting in the senate chamber in ROTS? And when Palpy was hurling those seating platforms at Yoda, then Yoda hurled them back? Did you see Palpys reaction? He never saw it coming. So when facing Raiden, a GOD (yes, he in fact is a God), odds are he will get his ass handed to him.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Jedi can sense intent, like the intent one has towards another. Luke Skywalker had this power on a whole different level than Palpy did, he could sense his attackers intent AND interpret their actions. There is no evidence that Palpy had it like Luke.

If he did, why did he get tossed down a reactor shaft by Vader? Remember when he and Yoda are fighting in the senate chamber in ROTS? And when Palpy was hurling those seating platforms at Yoda, then Yoda hurled them back? Did you see Palpys reaction? He never saw it coming. So when facing Raiden, a GOD (yes, he in fact is a God), odds are he will get his ass handed to him.

I'm going off by what was said in the movie, force users have the ability to sense things before they happen, one of the reason why Anakin was able to pilot a pod, take it up with Lucas or Qui Gon Gin. Ergo, Palpatine would sense any attack Raiden did before it happened; since Raiden doesn't have super speed, I don't see how he could counter this.

Raiden is a god, but he is shown with limited powers, as he didn't defeat his opponents with god-like omnipotence. He seems to be a weather god with applicable weather powers. He may be immortal and be able to reform himself after Palpatine cuts him in two with saber or uses a force power to choke/crush him, but that is a win first for Palpatine.

And here are a few of Raidens attacks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayden

Static Teleport: At will, Rayden vanishes and reappears behind the opponent. (MK, MKII, MKT, MK4, MKG, MK😄, MK:U, MK:A)

Lightning Bolt: Rayden sends bolts of lightning flying at the opponent. (MK, MKII, MKT, MK4, MKG, MK😄A, MK😄, MK😖M, MK:U, MK:A)

Torpedo: Rayden flies horizontally at his opponent and pushes them against the wall. Rayden can also do the move on the air, although not in the first game and Armageddon. (MK, MKII, MKT, MK4, MKG, MK😄, MK:U, MK:A)

Shocking Touch: Rayden grabs the opponent, holds them in the air, and electrocutes them. In Deception and Armageddon, he ends the move by punching the enemy away. (MKII, MKT, MK😄A, MK😄, MK:U, MK:A)

Recurring fatalities
Electric Decapitation: Rayden sends a surge of electricity into the opponent's head and it explodes. (MK, MKT)

Explosive Uppercut: The god crouches down and sends a vicious electric charged uppercut to the opponent blowing him/her into pieces. (MKII, MKT)

Electrocution: Rayden grabs his opponent, holds him/her a few feet off the ground, and electrifies them until they explode. (MKII, MKT, MK4, MKG, MK😄A)

Yeah, Raiden can match Palpy move for move. So Palpy has a saber, so what? Raiden merely has to teleport AT WILL and attack from behind Palpy.

Another thing.....Raidens lightning attacks are on a whole different level than that of Palpy. Look, here, when he attacks Scorpion and Sub Zero:

YouTube video

They are thrown across the room like rag dolls. I know, I know, Palpy hurled Mace Windu out a window, BUT Mace Windu was wounded and helpless, not to mention he was facing TWO Sith at the same time. That was like shooting fish in a barrel.

Not to mention the fact that Raiden did all this while teleporting, on the fly.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm going off by what was said in the movie, force users have the ability to sense things before they happen, one of the reason why Anakin was able to pilot a pod, take it up with Lucas or Qui Gon Gin. Ergo, Palpatine would sense any attack Raiden did before it happened; since Raiden doesn't have super speed, I don't see how he could counter this.

Raiden is a god, but he is shown with limited powers, as he didn't defeat his opponents with god-like omnipotence. He seems to be a weather god with applicable weather powers. He may be immortal and be able to reform himself after Palpatine cuts him in two with saber or uses a force power to choke/crush him, but that is a win first for Palpatine.

You are forgetting that Raiden can take much more punishment than Palpy. He took a fireball (thats what I call it) Shao Khan shot at him and it didnt even faze him.

If they know about each others powers beforehand, Raiden is not gonna get close to Palpy until he gets that saber out of his hand. And, with his martial arts skills, it wouldn't be that hard.

Not sure how any of his physical attacks are going to counter a saber that would just cut through any punch or kick.

With Palpatine's precog, he would be ready to slice Rayden the moment he materialized from a teleport, be it from behind, front or side.

Face it, Rayden is outclassed despite his god status. He has never shown anything that could defeat a guy with Palpatine's abilities. Seems god doesn't equal omnipotence when it comes to him.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure how any of his physical attacks are going to counter a saber that would just cut through any punch or kick.

With Palpatine's precog, he would be ready to slice Rayden the moment he materialized from a teleport, be it from behind, front or side.

Face it, Rayden is outclassed despite his god status. He has never shown anything that could defeat a guy with Palpatine's abilities. Seems god doesn't equal omnipotence when it comes to him.