They are him. What would be the point of Palpatine cloning himself if the clone wouldn't be him? His spirit left one body and inhabited the next, which was an exact physical reproduction of the very body he'd just left. That's the whole point of cloning himself. Anyone who doesn't understand that has no business arguing the merrits of this character, and is likely only doing it because their argument has failed them and backfired.
Originally posted by Rogue JediIt's not the thread-creator's fault when some of the people who take it upon themselves to post have the reading comprehension of a dying bonobo. Blax has more than made his case, while you resort to idiocy and blatant hypocrisy - using a game clip of Raiden killing someone 'in two seconds' while simultaneously whining about this being the CL incarnation of the character.
So we have gone from Palpy in the movies to Palpy resurrected in a clone? This is what happens when a thread starter sucks at making versus threads.
[Goku vs. Superman takes second place, cuz at least Goku can blow up planets]
You claim that Raiden is a master hand-to-hand combatant? Fine. Palpatine is noted as "a master of every weapon and every style" by Nick Gillard, and kills two of the Jedi Order's finest swordsmen [RotS novel] with one move apiece, then proceeds to kill a third four seconds later while fending off one of the deadliest duelists in the saga's history.
You claim that Raiden's powers exceed those of Palpatine's? The Sith Lord's apprentice blew chunks out of a stone ceiling with his lightning and knocked a Jedi out for several straight minutes. Palpatine's lightning, when turned back upon him, melted his face. He then proceeded to blast the offender several dozen meters out a window.
Taking EU into account, Sidious absolutely obliterates Raiden. As of DE, the Sith is a god in all but name: his lightning wipes out battalion of armored soldiers and disintegrates individuals and chunks of metal, he can literally rip apart the fabric of space-time, his own personal power is such that he can impart fragments of it to lesser individuals and empower them to the point that they can stalemate four thousand-year old Jedi Masters in combat, and his speed-assisted lightsaber skills allow him to disarm a formidable swordsman (Luke Skywalker) in one move.
Your pathetic excuse for an argument hinges around two points:
One is the fact that Raiden is a god, when you can't even quantify what that means. Ares in God of War was a god who could hurl pillars across continents with enough accuracy to pin a single human to a wall and could grow to immense sizes. Kratos owned him. Raiden, on the other hand, is limited to flying at low speeds and firing lightning from his hands, and is never stated to be immune to bodily harm. Meanwhile, his (EU) opponent destroys entire starfleets and moves so fast he can only be sensed as waves of darkness in the Force.
The other is that, somehow, Palpatine is actually limited to his movie-incarnations, sans a lightsaber. The thread-creator only limited Raiden, in the sense that you can only draw on feats accomplished in the MK movie. He made no such point regarding Palpatine.
You've actually convinced me that the SWVF isn't home to the densest people at KMC, which is quite an accomplishment.
Originally posted by Faunus
It's not the thread-creator's fault when some of the people who take it upon themselves to post have the reading comprehension of a dying bonobo. Blax has more than made his case, while you resort to idiocy and blatant hypocrisy - using a game clip of Raiden killing someone 'in two seconds' while simultaneously whining about this being the CL incarnation of the character.[Goku vs. Superman takes second place, cuz at least Goku can blow up planets]
You claim that Raiden is a master hand-to-hand combatant? Fine. Palpatine is noted as "a master of every weapon and every style" by Nick Gillard, and kills two of the Jedi Order's finest swordsmen [RotS novel] with one move apiece, then proceeds to kill a third four seconds later while fending off one of the deadliest duelists in the saga's history.
You claim that Raiden's powers exceed those of Palpatine's? The Sith Lord's apprentice blew chunks out of a stone ceiling with his lightning and knocked a Jedi out for several straight minutes. Palpatine's lightning, when turned back upon him, melted his face. He then proceeded to blast the offender several dozen meters out a window.
Taking EU into account, Sidious absolutely obliterates Raiden. As of DE, the Sith is a god in all but name: his lightning wipes out battalion of armored soldiers and disintegrates individuals and chunks of metal, he can literally rip apart the fabric of space-time, his own personal power is such that he can impart fragments of it to lesser individuals and empower them to the point that they can stalemate four thousand-year old Jedi Masters in combat, and his speed-assisted lightsaber skills allow him to disarm a formidable swordsman (Luke Skywalker) in one move.
Your pathetic excuse for an argument hinges around two points:
One is the fact that Raiden is a god, when you can't even quantify what that means. Ares in God of War was a god who could hurl pillars across continents with enough accuracy to pin a single human to a wall and could grow to immense sizes. Kratos owned him. Raiden, on the other hand, is limited to flying at low speeds and firing lightning from his hands, and is never stated to be immune to bodily harm. Meanwhile, his (EU) opponent destroys entire starfleets and moves so fast he can only be sensed as waves of darkness in the Force.
The other is that, somehow, Palpatine is actually limited to his movie-incarnations, sans a lightsaber. The thread-creator only limited Raiden, in the sense that you can only draw on feats accomplished in the MK movie. He made no such point regarding Palpatine.
You've actually convinced me that the SWVF isn't home to the densest people at KMC, which is quite an accomplishment.
You just said it:
The thread-creator only limited Raiden, in the sense that you can only draw on feats accomplished in the MK movie. He made no such point regarding Palpatine
Fair? I think not. Its up to the THREAD STARTER to state conditions of the fight, NOT us. When it is left up to us, it leads to stupid online fueds such as the one going on now.
I have never uttered a word to Blax before this, and for this to be our first online exchange, well, thats just not right.
Even movie Rayden has a chance of winning this, considering he can actually become a being of electricity (which is an application of electricity that Palpatine can't be said to be able to effectively attack or defend against), especially if we were to recognise a major limitation of the Force, in the sense that Palpatine can't sense or direct his powers against matter that isn't made up of Force energy (which Raiden and his powers, being separate from the SW setting, and thus not subject to its rules, aren't).
Well theres not much screen time for Raiden in just one movie... So its hard to judge.
You have to remember that MK is also a old and probably low-budget movie. That said, their abilities arent going to be too spectacular.
If games are taken into account, Raiden would utterly destroy Palpatine, no one can argue that one.
Palpatine with one Force Crush will break Raiden's rib cage.
So Raiden is a "God" lol. That title means jack shit, espacially in MK. "Gods" in MK get anally fvcked by mere mortals like Liu Kang.
Palpatine can destroy the surface of a planet with one Force Storm, and can turn powerful Sith Acolytes into ash. He is faster than Raiden as well and can behead him.
Palpatine easily.