Jack Bauer VS John McClane

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
To answer question Rob about Bauer shooting himself, he had Chloe shoot him at point blank range to escape his capture. Bauer knew he was about to captured by the Feds, so he had Chloe shoot him so he would receive medical attention. And that was after two knife wounds. Bauer then proceeded to knock out the medics and steal a 9mm.

That doesn't make any sense. The medics wouldn't have treated him cos of two abdominal wounds unless he was shot also?

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Originally posted by Darth Truculent
To answer question Rob about Bauer shooting himself, he had Chloe shoot him at point blank range to escape his capture. Bauer knew he was about to captured by the Feds, so he had Chloe shoot him so he would receive medical attention. And that was after two knife wounds. Bauer then proceeded to knock out the medics and steal a 9mm.

I didn't feel like mentioning that feat because McClane's feat involved more pain (hot bullet through an already sore bullet wound. Ouch)

Originally posted by Robtard
That doesn't make any sense. The medics wouldn't have treated him cos of two abdominal wounds unless he was shot also?

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Bauer told her to kill him. There was an all-agency alert to kill him on sight (They surmised (correctly) that he was going to assassinate the President of Russia, which would have surely instigated WWIII). He didn't think he was going to leave the building alive anyways, which is why he told Chloe to kill him so she would be able to maintain her cover. Only due to plotness did he survive

Again, she managed to not kill him despite shooting him at point blank range and he was a willing target. How do you f--k that up?

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McClane shot himself, he didn't ask some woman. Just saying.

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, she managed to not kill him despite shooting him at point blank range and he was a willing target. How do you f--k that up?

Pretty sure her emotions played somewhat into it. Plus she was rushing because the FBI were storming up the stairs to the room they were in

Originally posted by Robtard
McClane shot himself, he didn't ask some woman. Just saying.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I didn't feel like mentioning that feat because McClane's feat involved more pain (hot bullet through an already sore bullet wound. Ouch)

Just saying, seems a "boom! head-shot!" would have settled it, but that's just plot-stupidity, happens.

But also a bit confused, one of you said he asked to be shot as a ploy to escape; you said he wanted to be killed. Which is it?

Originally posted by Robtard
Just saying, seems a "boom! head-shot!" would have settled it, but that's just plot-stupidity, happens.

But also a bit confused, one of you said he asked to be shot as a ploy to escape; you said he wanted to be killed. Which is it?

It was to be killed. Truculent worded it wrong (or got it wrong, although I will not make such negative assumptions). Like i said, there was an inter-agency alert to kill him on sight. Chloe (a long time and very close friend) was able to track Bauer down so she could talk him out of performing the assassination (he was on a single minded rampage of revenge). She talked him out of the assassination at the very last second by reminding him of the international repercussions. However, the FBI themselves had tracked him down. Bauer handed her the gun and explained (as I just did) that he had no chance of leaving the building anyway

WHOOPS!!!!!!!!!

My bad. I completely forgot the scene. Chloe was reluctant to shoot Jack, so Jack held a separate gun to his own head and told her that if she wouldn't kill him, he'd do the deed himself. Right when he was about to pull the trigger, she fired first

So what you're telling me, he's a pussy that needs to scare an incompetent woman into killing him cos he couldn't pull the trigger himself?

Don't know dude, not seen 24, but Bauer isn't sounding like the total bad-ass people are making him out to be. McClane has no problem pulling the trigger on himself. Just saying.

Originally posted by Robtard
So what you're telling me, he's a pussy that needs to scare an incompetent woman into killing him cos he couldn't pull the trigger himself?

Don't know dude, not seen 24, but Bauer isn't sounding like the total bad-ass people are making him out to be. McClane has no problem pulling the trigger on himself. Just saying.

He's a pussy because he needed her to get out of the building with a MacGuffin that would unravel the international conspiracy without being suspected by the FBI and like I said, there was a shoot-to-kill order out on him, so the only way she would not being suspected of aiding Bauer (their friendship is very known) would be for her to have shot him. He wasn't scaring her. He really was like "f*ck it, if you won't do it..." and was about to kill himself when she shot him instead.

I'm sorry, I am being rude. You determine from the facts

03:09:52

In the Hart building, the Delta team are closing in on Jack and Chloe's location. Chloe notices on the cameras that Jack hacked into. He gives her the data card with the recording and his video message on and tells her that she won't make it out of the building with him. He says that she has to shoot him so it looked like she forced him to stop from assassinating Suvarov. As he points his gun at her, Chloe insists that she cannot shoot him. He shouts at her to do it, and that if she cares about him at all she will do. Time and time again she says that she cannot, and so Jack raises his gun to his own head, shouting, "Damn you, Chloe!" Just before he can kill himself, Chloe shoots him in the shoulder. Seconds later the Delta team bursts in. Burke asks her what happened and she says that Jack drew his weapon so she shot him first. Burke calls it in that Jack is down.

Sorry Lestov, I did word that wrong . . . typo.

In the previous season, the FBI had their top agents attempted to take Bauer down and failed. Bauer killed an Army Ranger (which is not easily done) to win the trust of a terrorist organization that Almeda was part of. Inadvertantly, Jack taught Renee Walker 'everything is permitted' due to his ruthless training. After Renee's death, if you were in Jack's way, you're dead because of his thirst for revenge. It was like him hunting down Nina Myers only on steroids.

After that season, the government knew that regular law enforcement isn't up to the job of taking down an agent of Bauer's caliber. They were forced to use the counterterrorist unit Delta which is the equalivant to the SEALs. McLane would be easy to capture with an FBI tac team and those teams are badass. Says something eh?

Bauer won this a long while ago...

Number one, let's be mature here (Still can't believe Rouge Jedi and - er, forgot his name, sorry, spent so many posts bashing each other with points that weren't even pertinent to the subject) I'd like to state I watched every 24 episode from season 1 to 5 and the McClane flicks, so I'm not biased (yeah, right, there are more hours of 24 digested than die hards, here) Point remains, however, Jack Bauer is more intense, he lives and breathes stressful situations, whereas McClane only has them for vacations and the like. John McClane has taken pain, true, but as has been stated, Jack has endured as well (Who else in the world has the patience to put up with those moronic, soap-operatic coworkers of his, not John, he'd be rollin' his eyes and mocking them in that soft whiny voice in under two minutes) I won't even mention the instances where Bauer had to gain the trust of counter-spies and the like, and the meetings with the president? those required no less than the tact and patience singular to Jack Bauer. He's a far superior, resourceful, more proven character all around. but then, there haven't been that many die hard movies to prove me wrong. Insufficient info. As it stands, John has luck, but it can't last forever. 🙁

Thats remains to be seen.

Originally posted by exiled1
Number one, let's be mature here (Still can't believe Rouge Jedi and - er, forgot his name, sorry, spent so many posts bashing each other with points that weren't even pertinent to the subject) I'd like to state I watched every 24 episode from season 1 to 5 and the McClane flicks, so I'm not biased (yeah, right, there are more hours of 24 digested than die hards, here) Point remains, however, Jack Bauer is more intense, he lives and breathes stressful situations, whereas McClane only has them for vacations and the like. John McClane has taken pain, true, but as has been stated, Jack has endured as well (Who else in the world has the patience to put up with those moronic, soap-operatic coworkers of his, not John, he'd be rollin' his eyes and mocking them in that soft whiny voice in under two minutes) I won't even mention the instances where Bauer had to gain the trust of counter-spies and the like, and the meetings with the president? those required no less than the tact and patience singular to Jack Bauer. He's a far superior, resourceful, more proven character all around. but then, there haven't been that many die hard movies to prove me wrong. Insufficient info. As it stands, John has luck, but it can't last forever. 🙁

And that's just the first five. He gets far more badass in the subsequent 3 seasons (and TV Movie)

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, she managed to not kill him despite shooting him at point blank range and he was a willing target. How do you f--k that up?

Plot-Idiocy Alert! Warning!

McClane shot himself, he didn't ask some woman. Just saying.

bump

Bumping this is just cruel, stupid and stupidly cruel.

McClane's had a 5th film full-o-feats and a 6th on the way. Bauer's got nothing cept 24: Redemption.

McClane has more film feats, but it's okay, since we all know that with his TV feats included Bauer rapes McClane 🙂 .

192 hours with another 12 hours coming next year>>>>.....10 hours and another 2 coming up 😉

Also, 268 kills>>>>>...68 kills 😂

So yeah, McClane has more film screenfeats, but it doesn't really matter since Bauer's medium isn't film.

If you weren't a coward, Robbie Boy, you would compare Bauer's TV feats against McClane's film feats, but of course, you won't do that since you know McClane would be get crushed. You're such a punk 😆 So yep, keep hiding behind the MVF rules since you are afraid to take on an actual debate, like the chump you are. It's blatantly obvious that Bauer has better overall feats, and you're too butthurt to admit it. It's quite sad and pitiful indeed,

but also completely expected from you and utterly hilarious 😆. Keep embarrassing yourself and hiding behind those MVF rules, and get back when you're ready to man up and actually have a fair debate.

Originally posted by Lestov16
McClane has more film feats, but it's okay, since we all know that with his TV feats included Bauer rapes McClane 🙂 .

192 hours with another 12 hours coming next year>>>>.....10 hours and another 2 coming up 😉

Also, 268 kills>>>>>...68 kills 😂

So yeah, McClane has more film screenfeats, but it doesn't really matter since Bauer's medium isn't film.

If you weren't a coward, Robbie Boy, you would compare Bauer's TV feats against McClane's film feats, but of course, you won't do that since you know McClane would be get crushed. You're such a punk 😆 So yep, keep hiding behind the MVF rules since you are afraid to take on an actual debate, like the chump you are. It's blatantly obvious that Bauer has better overall feats, and you're too butthurt to admit it. It's quite sad and pitiful indeed,

but also completely expected from you and utterly hilarious 😆. Keep embarrassing yourself and hiding behind those MVF rules, and get back when you're ready to man up and actually have a fair debate.

But I do like your "if we break the MVF rules, Bauer wins!" angle. That's clever.

Fine, let's break the MVF rules; guest what, McClane still wins cos he's immortal 🙂