Blade vs. Captain America

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Lol my bad he did manage to actually hit DD i take it abck, but he certainly was not kicking his ass because DD dodged most of Wolverine attacks and pushed him down the stairs with two hand ninjas.

Nevermind just keep agreeing with jinzin mindlessley.

find this amuzing comming from the man who just said Logan never hit DD.........and then asked if jinzin had ever read the issue............which made you look rather foolish sinces you were not only wrong, but jinzin has scanned the entire fight and posted it in the respect thread...........

not to be mean, but it was quite ironic your statements was.............

Originally posted by Battlehammer
hahahaha

find this amuzing comming from the man who just said Logan never hit DD.........and then asked if jinzin had ever read the issue............which made you look rather foolish sinces you were not only wrong, but jinzin has scanned the entire fight and posted it in the respect thread...........

not to be mean, but it was quite ironic your statements was.............

Yes but did you notice how Jinzin said that Wolverine was kicking his ass? Did Wolverine kick his ass? Nope. You obvoulsy missed it because Jinzins your boy.

The fact that I got small detail wrong is minor. The main issue here is Wolverine skill. The fact is that despite all his backup DD was embarrasing him. Thats the main point.

Obvoulsy if had read the issue properly he would have not said that Wolverine was kicking his ass because he defintely wasn't.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im taking shit from guy who said that Wolverine paused in combat because he 'grrrd'? haermm

Anyway I think its a stalemate because Blade said they were too equally matched and Wolverine let him go. Previoulsy though I was open to both sides intepretation of the feats. The whole problem really is that you could even argue that it wasn't a stalemate because none of them were fighting to best ability. It certainly was not a win for either of them.

I am also unaturally baised because I dont think Jinzin is god, Jinzin is always right and if I dont agree with him because im biased. Jinzin never agrees with anything I say but on numerous ocassions I have comprimsed which therefore indicates that Jinzin is always right and I have a problem.....or it could mean....nah thats not possible.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes but did you notice how Jinzin said that Wolverine was kicking his ass? Did Wolverine kick his ass? Nope. You obvoulsy missed it because Jinzins your boy.

Yup to my knowledge Logan has never kick DD's ass or gave him a beat down. There was a fight were Logan did have the slight advantage by putting DD in a full nelson but even that isn't a beat down. The other two fights DD had a small edge IIRC.

DD looked a bit better then even Electra's fight with Logan. And Electra had help to boot while DD didn't.

Originally posted by jinzin
Phantom Zone? Not really, he said that it was probably INTENDED to be a stalemate but has insinuated that it wasn't by calling Marc an idiot writer. All the arguing he did against Wolverine stuff was just run of the mill Alffheim stuff, just some un-natural hatred or dislike for Wolverine and his fans but really held no bearing on the interpetation of the fight.
You
Snoopdogg
Starscream M
The Great Galan? Uh no, he said you had an "interesting take" on the
fight, and that Blade could take Logan IF the writing was good enough..
He didn't say one way or the other whether or not he thought THAT fight
was a stalemate.
Don Mega
YFZ 350
Crankenstien
Superherovandal

So that's like 7 for sure?
and 2 people who really never gave a definite anwser.

Now, I told you when it came to this fight resorting to ad populem was a dumb idea, I even told you how easy it'd be for me to find opinions to the contrary.... But your fanboyism/stupidity carry you onward yet again...

So aside from myself,
Srank,
Capt,
and Chilled Monkey:

And on top of that
Ize19 implied he didn't think it was a stalemate against
Blade's favor.
Emporerpants thinks Wolverine flat out beats Blade.

And to add insult to injury "Most people don't even think Blade presents a challenge to Wolverine or beats him or anything of the like:
cmack - wolverine everytime
TheGame17 - wolverine wins.
P.S.> your argument is stupid.
(This one was directed at you specifically.)

Wolverine2006 - Blade is cool and all but I think Wolverine is too much for him.

MightyEInherjar -
I don't see Blade having enough damage output to put Wolverine down in this fight.
Wolverine 9/10.
carver9 -Good fight but I give the edge to wolverine. Theres basically nothing that blade can do to bring wolverine down.

Bouboumaster - Wolverine violate Blade in the first and second match.
Wolerine win the third, because of his HF.

Juk3n
SPITE -
Adamantuim > Flesh
Adamantium > Sword (even Blades acid edged sword)
But if we're talking a Kumute style fight - id have to say Tied for H2H
Blade for the Sword fight - because even though Logan was trained as a Samurai, he has not wield a sword for quite sometime, and i just believe blade to be mpore proficient (not by much) , but enough to out score him vs hits.
And for the first fight (standard equipment) as i said before, SPITE, Blade couldnt put down wolverine because of the adamantium - Blades standard equipment is guns and swords, the OP knows this - Wolvie doesn't really fall under the catagory (vulnarable to guns and swords)
SPITE ALL DAY LONG
did i mention spite?
No adamantium - and it would be close but id give Blade the edge 6/10
Sword length > Bone claw length

Apolloknight - Wolverine
Wolverine
Wolverine (because of the HF)

llagrok -
Wolverine wins all
Does he even need the sword?
Beta Ray Howard - Wolverine. Though he hardly ever shows his skill, he will use it when needed.
Soleran - Lol tax evader!
Wolverine wins, fairly easy victory.

Estacado - Wolverine FTW.
Metalmanx - Wolverine wins. Not easily at all, but he wins.
riceroost - 1) Wolverine would wreck Blade horribly. This is just mean.

2) I really doubt Blade is stronger or faster than Wolverine either. In the flashback where a young Blade is saved by Wolverine it is plainly stated that Wolverine's speed is at the very least equal to that of a vampire. Not only that, but his speed and strength seem to dwarf the vampire that was overpowering Blade.
Daredevil1 - IMO Wolverine wins.

Tha C-Master - That's a bit ironic isn't it?

Wolverine does win though.

Originally posted by jinzin
No, you're bias because almost all of what you say where it concerns Wolverine disregards his majority of his showings for the low end minority. You read into that minority represent it as the majority and then try to discredit Logan at every turn in almost everything he does weather it concerns skill, regeneration, or his animal senses.

Originally posted by jinzin
No, you're bias because almost all of what you say where it concerns Wolverine disregards his majority of his showings for the low end minority. You read into that minority represent it as the majority and then try to discredit Logan at every turn in almost everything he does weather it concerns skill, regeneration, or his animal senses.

You know what...sometimes yeah, but that happens because I constantly debate with Wolverine fans who always twist everything to suit there purpose. Lets have a look at two examples:

1. Blade manged to punch Wolverine because he grrd.

Originally posted by jinzin
Then what DID he stop for? There was enough time for them to share a "grrrr" and a "rrnnfg" between them which Wolverine could have easily shot his claws through Blade's brain.

Lets have a look at the evidence.

How on earth did you come to the conclusion that Wolverine paused because he grrd? How???? Anybody with any common sense will look at that scan and will see that Wolverine is in mid-attack. Hell he might have paused but theres no proof at all. Hell he was swearing before he grrd he didnt need to pause then, why now? Im pretty sure there are examples of people grring and attacking at the same time why assume that Wolverine paused....absurd.

Hell even if he paused he can still dodge can't he?

Wolverine: Oh **** theres a punch coming towards me....if only I hadn't grrd I would be able to dodge it!

2. The reason why Wolverine hit Punishers gun was because he was holding back and wsn't going for the kill shot.

Originally posted by jinzin
Punisher had to use an ambush and he was fighting a Wolverine who was showing again at least SOME mercy (ripping apart the gun instead of going straight for the kill) Punisher was barely holding Wolverine back even with an ambush.

Let have a look at the scan......

Again any sane person will look at the scan and see that Wolverine is going for his head but Frank dodges the strike and Wolverine gets the gun instead.

So this is basically what its degenerated to every time a chararcter does some thing good against Wolverine it because he lets them? Why stop there? If you look at the rest of the fight Wolverine allows Punisher to punch him in the gut and hit him in the face with the butt of his gun.

Lets have a look at this scan...lets just assume that Wolverine was holding back when he tried to claw Punisher here.....hey after all if wasn't holding back he would have killed Punisher.

Hey im so biased I think its a stalemate and even at one point thought it was totally subjective. You're the one saying its a win. You're the one who is going to extreme lengths to make up excuses. Hell you could even say its subjective but I bet you're not going to accept that are you? I should call you Mr Fantastic......because right now you're just ssssssssstretching.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yup to my knowledge Logan has never kick DD's ass or gave him a beat down. There was a fight were Logan did have the slight advantage by putting DD in a full nelson but even that isn't a beat down. The other two fights DD had a small edge IIRC.

DD looked a bit better then even Electra's fight with Logan. And Electra had help to boot while DD didn't.

.......and even in that fight DD was distracted by what Wolverine said. Yeah Frank has got out of DD nelsons cant see why DD couldn't get out of Wolverines.

Isn't it obvious? Frank managed to so well against Wolverine, because Logan was wearing a leopard skin cape. Capes are for fancy boys, so Wolverine's manliness was depowered, making him less manly than Punisher for the duration of the fight. This allowed Punisher to hold his own on sheer manliness alone. 😄

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
first none of those are from this topic, and second more than half of those werent even in regard t othe fight in question, rather to wovlerine vs. blade in general

Everything after that was about the topic in general to drive the point home how much a threat Blade ISN'T to Wolverine.. I mean Christ, even C-Master said Wolverine'd win... 😐

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

How on earth did you come to the conclusion that Wolverine paused because he grrd? How???? Anybody with any common sense will look at that scan and will see that Wolverine is in mid-attack. Hell he might have paused but theres no proof at all. Hell he was swearing before he grrd he didnt need to pause then, why now? Im pretty sure there are examples of people grring and attacking at the same time why assume that Wolverine paused....absurd.

Hell even if he paused he can still dodge can't he?

Wolverine: Oh **** theres a punch coming towards me....if only I hadn't grrd I would be able to dodge it!

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
we're not biased against wolverine, he's one of my favorite cahracters, you simly believe he cant be beaten and tend to interpret fights in his favor....you even argued wolverine could beat thor with his hammer....come on

Originally posted by jinzin
No.. It was WITHOUT his hammer or godblast.. that's a HUUUGGGGEEE difference.. 😐

I'm not sure he did by the time I started arguing in that thread.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wolverine has enhancements and much more experience. How the hell did an injured human being without enhancements hold his own against him?

I'm sorry I fail to see Punisher's UBERDUPER display of skill when he's shooting a guy who isn't going after him. And then continues shooting him when he attacks the end of the man's gun rather than the gun himself.

Why ask me the same questions over and over again if you have my answers?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wolverine has enhancements and much more experience. How the hell did an injured human being without enhancements hold his own against him?
Hell Cap did better against Punisher and he was suffering from a disease.

Cap has a shield and new when the fight started. Wolverine WAS AMBUSHED has no shield and Punisher had considerably more firepower.
How are those even remotely comparable? 🤨

Funny too, Cap couldn't beat a weakened Wolverine and that was AFTER Korvac so there goes that argument. What happened there?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I take it back it barely hit him. Again lets see...
1. Hes got no enhancements.
2. He was injured.
3. He has much much much much less training and experience
4. Still held his own against him despite it. This implies that if you take away Wolverine adamantuim and HF Wolverine loses to Punisher.

Punisher was not injured by the time they fought.

Yes it certainly implies that if Punisher's upwind ambushing Logan and Logan doesn't attack him directly in turn he could lose to Punisher.

Give em both euiptment and see what happens.
Put em in a h2h see what happens.

This is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Lol can anybody see this shit???? The reason why Wolverine hit the gun instead of Punsiher was because he missed unpurpose. lmfao
Prove it!

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well after there first encounter? He was still injured and had fought an alligator.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Hes done wll againt Wolverine in every fight, thats not luck.

Punisher "held his own" for a few seconds, after ambushing Logan and you somehow think that discredits Logan's fighting ability and experience or all their other fights because?

I mean aside from you Pan-love for the Punisher.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Puck punched Wolverine in the nuts and Wolverine was bent over in pain. Wolverine ran into Franks baseball bat, so it was the combined force of Frank and Wolverine...so yes it could drop Wolverine.

Even though he shrugged it off from Puck a superhuman in the class 10 range.
And wasn't even phased by being shot there from Red Hood....?

Uh-huh...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Franks done well against Wolverine in every fight... thats not a low showing if it happens everytime. Frank has owned Bullseye in H2H and mashed up DD...its not a low showing.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. Prove the reason why he didnt kill him was because of the mindcontrol.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
2. No Wolverine didnt hit DD once. DD even pushed him down the stairs with two hand ninjas....didn't you read the issue.

Moron.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No he hasnt improved. The point is Shingen has less exeperience Shingen was kicking his ass.

OMFG do you say anything EVER with legitimate proof to back it up?
What makes you think he hasn't improved?

I mean your whole point with the Shingen fight was that Shingen had to have been more skilled to land so many blows, Wolverine didn't get touched once except for being grazed across his eye, Shingen on the other hand got a face full of claws. Countless hours in the danger room, reliable memories, and numerous fights have obviously improved Wolverine's skill since then. To say otherwise is backed by absolutely nothing. 😐

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Stop exaggerating shes no Quicksilver. I dont even think she has impressive spead feats.

It's as relevent here as the fact that Punisher has been humiliated by Spiderman far more often than any other high tier noteable street level.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Its not a low showing for Wolverine to get punked MK.

If he's at Goblin/Spidey strength/speed level no, when it happened. It was.. Lest you think MK> Storm, Wolverine and Gambit.

Originally posted by jinzin
No.. It was WITHOUT his hammer or godblast.. that's a HUUUGGGGEEE difference.. 😐

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
I meant without hammer, he had the same durability and strngth though...more than enough to beat wolverine.

He's going to need several shots to put Logan down, Logan only needs one. In turn Logan has more than enough to beat Thor.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Maybe Wolverine tried to scare Blade by "Grrrrring"? But that wouldn't explain the failure to dodge the punch or the failure to do anything damage when he had full guard.

Originally posted by jinzin
He's going to need several shots to put Logan down, Logan only needs one. In turn Logan has more than enough to beat Thor.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You know what...sometimes yeah, but that happens because I constantly debate with Wolverine fans who always twist everything to suit there purpose.

Oh BULLSHIT...

How about when everyone who knew better was telling you that Wolverine being shot isn't neccessarily a reflection of his skill, and you ignored it for years posting him being shot or arguing for it being his lack of skill, and then Amazing Spiderman came out and flat out said that he doesn't try to dodge all the time. "Oh well" I think you said..

How about when you tried to argue that Wolverine was put down by a hail of bullets, full well ignoring that it happened in the desert or that the issue before Wolverine said he hadn't slept or eaten in 3 days?

How about when you argued that Wolverine wasn't top tier in skill level?

Or that he didn't have enhanced sense of smell even though DD's admitted Wolves are better TWICE?

Or that he had speed enhancements because he tagged a surprised northstar...

Yeah, you're embittered because Wolverine fans are always coming out correcting your ass endlessly on here and humiliating you. It was so bad that you started readking/skiming through Wolverine books just to pinpoint his lower showings and pretend they're his standard.. Well at least it got you looking at comics instead of talking out your ass like you admitted to doing for years.

You want to talk about twisting how about you look no further than the mirror mr. He has thousands of years experience after the Korvac saga..

😂

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Lets have a look at two examples:

1. [b]Blade manged to punch Wolverine because he grrd.

Lets have a look at the evidence.

How on earth did you come to the conclusion that Wolverine paused because he grrd? How???? Anybody with any common sense will look at that scan and will see that Wolverine is in mid-attack. Hell he might have paused but theres no proof at all. Hell he was swearing before he grrd he didnt need to pause then, why now? Im pretty sure there are examples of people grring and attacking at the same time why assume that Wolverine paused....absurd.

Hell even if he paused he can still dodge can't he?

Wolverine: Oh **** theres a punch coming towards me....if only I hadn't grrd I would be able to dodge it![/B]

If you think Wolverine wasn't holding back his claws, why didn't he snikt Blade while running toawards him? Why wait till he put his fist up to Blade's jaw? if the punch came by such surprise why didn't he snikt the claws as he was "punched away"? Why did he wait till he had total control before doing it again.

And, you know 130-160 MPH> "GRRRR" right? Why do I even ask, of course you don't.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
2. [b] The reason why Wolverine hit Punishers gun was because he was holding back and wsn't going for the kill shot.

Let have a look at the scan......

Again any sane person will look at the scan and see that Wolverine is going for his head but Frank dodges the strike and Wolverine gets the gun instead. [/B]

Again, does Wolverine think Frank is 7 feet tall? Why would he do a full body extention with his arm outstretched feet over his head. Punisher isn't that tall.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So this is basically what its degenerated to every time a chararcter does some thing good against Wolverine it because he lets them? Why stop there? If you look at the rest of the fight Wolverine allows Punisher to punch him in the gut and hit him in the face with the butt of his gun.

Punisher of course got in shots, because it's not outside of his ability to do that while he's keeping his enemy at bay with gunfire.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Lets have a look at this scan...lets just assume that Wolverine was holding back when he tried to claw Punisher here.....hey after all if wasn't holding back he would have killed Punisher.

He WAS going after the gun, he didn't even know who shot him initally. He didn't know it was the guy who he fought before until after he took Punisher's gun apart.

He was holding back til he saw Punisher and recognized him, then he wasn't. Punisher reeled out of the way of a claw shot on one hand, that's not outside Franks ability to do, on the other it doesn't discredit Logan's skill. I don't see a problem with it and I have no idea why you think I should.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Hey im so biased I think its a stalemate and even at one point thought it was totally subjective. You're the one saying its a win. You're the one who is going to extreme lengths to make up excuses. Hell you could even say its subjective but I bet you're not going to accept that are you? I should call you Mr Fantastic......because right now you're just ssssssssstretching.

Yes, you're quite bias against Wolverine, you're the only person I've ever seen try to argue that he doesn't have enhanced animal keen senses...
And do you know how much.. you know what? of course you don't. You'd have no idea how much crap people would have to swallow to think that was a stalemate or anything close.