Blade vs. Captain America

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I felt the Blade vs Wolverine fight was a stalemate.

EDIT: Now I'm derailing a Cap thread too! 🙁

Furthermore it was shown in Secret Defenders issue 1 one of Wolverine greatest fears is losing his temper and killing his own teamates.....some STRANGER...breaks into his house and attacks him and im supposed to think the only reason why Wolverine didn't attack him was because he was tired???

Hell Wolverine also indirecly admitted that sometimes he lets people hit him so he can get an excuse to clobber them. What Blade said was true? No way man, no @#@@ing way!

Originally posted by jinzin
Yes.

Yes.. read the damned comic, he had no intention of killng Caliban you idiot.

I'll say it again, read the ****ing comic, he was holding back on Nuke and infact tried to talk him out of fighting when it started.
Shingen nor Cap pertain to your whack ass argument.

YES HE WAS... we've already gone over this. If Venom puts his symbiote away for a fight he's holding back, If Thor drops Mjolnir, he's holding back, If Punisher tosses his guns aside when he doesn't have to, he's holding back. Wolverine put the most effective weapon away for a fight, he's nessecarily holding back.

Blade "vamping out" would mean little to nothing as Wolverine was coasting in neutral that whole fight.

read the comic, he even tries t ostab the ceo of damage contro ltin the first couple of panels, he wasnt holding back

if he had no intention of killing caliban why was he screaming getting ready to stab caliban

I see you didnt read my post...you know where I stted he was holding back against nuke. however after talking out of him didnt work he was trying to kill nuke

and yeah they do seeing as wolverine hesistaed before striking captain america (wolverine was in a berserk fury so no he wasnt holding back)
and shingen certaintly does seeing as wolverine talked with him before unsheathing his claws, while shiingen just stared at him, blade actually acted.

and yes, blade vamps out when he really wants to kill or beat an opponent, he vamped out againt vampire spiderman, he vamped out against draconis, and he vamped out against dracula...that and the fact he hadnt had blood in months making him weaker leads me to say blade wasnt trying either

if blade doesnt vamp out willingly lowering his stats he's holding back

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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all said stalemate

9 to 4

guys, please keep the personal stuff out of this, thx...

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
read the comic, he even tries t ostab the ceo of damage contro ltin the first couple of panels, he wasnt holding back

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
if he had no intention of killing caliban why was he screaming getting ready to stab caliban

Like I said, you're being a fool. Read the comic before you dictate what you THINK you know.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
I see you didnt read my post...you know where I stted he was holding back against nuke. however after talking out of him didnt work he was trying to kill nuke

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and yeah they do seeing as wolverine hesistaed before striking captain america (wolverine was in a berserk fury so no he wasnt holding back)

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and shingen certaintly does seeing as wolverine talked with him before unsheathing his claws, while shiingen just stared at him, blade actually acted.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and yes, blade vamps out when he really wants to kill or beat an opponent, he vamped out againt vampire spiderman, he vamped out against draconis, and he vamped out against dracula...that and the fact he hadnt had blood in months making him weaker leads me to say blade wasnt trying either

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
if blade doesnt vamp out willingly lowering his stats he's holding back

Originally posted by jinzin

I really wasn't sure if Blade did vamp out before. After what S-rank said, and what you've said in this thread, I'm going to say he has more credability at this point then you do. 😬

I'll ask you what Srank did, where was it stated he had no blood in months? Or that he was weaker?

it wasnt his fault, yo uhave to read the series,

after blade was captured by the police he couldnt return home as he was one o famericas most wanted, so he made a life in another town, (long enoug hso that he knew many people on a first name basis) and after when he gets back to his house finally (after the wovlerine fight ad draconis fight) he claims he hasnt been home in months

I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about here. Once the fight kicked off, Wolverine never retracted his claws for a punch or anything of the like. He may have been shocked/surprised by Shingens resurrection but he never did with Shingen what he did with Blade. Irrelivent.

he chose not to take his claws out, it woudlnt have taken a second for him to unsheathe his claws mid strike.

Yes he was. As srank already pointed out to you.
"It sure as hell won't be slow"

this was stated before he took the drugs and became a threat to wolverine. which is when wolverine unsheaatehed his claws, and eve ntried t ostab him i nthe back as they tumbled out of the window

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
this was stated before he took the drugs and became a threat to wolverine. which is when wolverine unsheaatehed his claws, and eve ntried t ostab him i nthe back as they tumbled out of the window

Wolverine knew that Declun was the guy who was supplying Nitro with MHG... do you think Wolverine didn't expect him to dope up? Anyway - once again - do you think some yuppie junkie managed to change Wolverine's mind by doping up?

And you are making the assumption that because Blade was out of the country that he was unable to get blood. That is a hell of an assumtion to make. Do you think he isn't resourceful enough to get a new supply? Its not like he isn't used to moving around. There is nothing to suggest he hadn't had blood in months - you are making a huge assumption with nothing to back it.

Blade doesn't vamp-out. His fangs can retract but he doesn't vamp-out. When Blade said "you want me to vamp-out on this chick" (or whatever) he was refering to drinking her blood - not a transformation. Some Marvel Vampires can "vamp-out" but it is mostly powerful ones; Blade on the other hand has never done it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine knew that Declun was the guy who was supplying Nitro with MHG... do you think Wolverine didn't expect him to dope up? Anyway - once again - do you think some yuppie junkie managed to change Wolverine's mind by doping up?

And you are making the assumption that because Blade was out of the country that he was unable to get blood. That is a hell of an assumtion to make. Do you think he isn't resourceful enough to get a new supply? Its not like he isn't used to moving around. There is nothing to suggest he hadn't had blood in months - you are making a huge assumption with nothing to back it.

Blade doesn't vamp-out. His fangs can retract but he doesn't vamp-out. When Blade said "you want me to vamp-out on this chick" (or whatever) he was refering to drinking her blood - not a transformation. Some Marvel Vampires can "vamp-out" but it is mostly powerful ones; Blade on the other hand has never done it.

and where is blood supposed t oget blood from, he doesnt feed off vampires or humans. not to mention in another comicbook he begins to actually admit he needs blood and is succombing to the hunger

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
...uh apparently not seeing as wolverine felt threatened and warned him against it too

and where is blood supposed t oget blood from, he doesnt feed off vampires or humans. not to mention in another comicbook he begins to actually admit he needs blood and is succombing to the hunger

What?

Wolverine didn't feel threatened. Wolverine didn't warn him against. What comics are you even reading? The closest thing to either of those is when Wolverine told him to becareful... when he was coughing and foaming from the moath right after he took the pills. You aren't even distorting evidance anymore, now you are just making shit up.

Where does he get his blood in the first place? He doesn't buy it over the counter. You think he doesn't have connections? You think the black market blood dealers only deliver to one place? Get real.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Bladeolder.jpg

Yeah I see no implication to enhanced stats or powers just fangs and blood sucking which was never really in doubt.. 😬

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
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all said stalemate

9 to 4

So that's like 7 for sure?
and 2 people who really never gave a definite anwser.

Now, I told you when it came to this fight resorting to ad populem was a dumb idea, I even told you how easy it'd be for me to find opinions to the contrary.... But your fanboyism/stupidity carry you onward yet again...

So aside from myself,
Srank,
Capt,
and Chilled Monkey:

Originally posted by brainchild
He's also the @sshole who had Spidey get stabbed during a training session & got BET Uncut cut off! Hate him!!!!!

Thanx for the page #. After seeing the fight, Blade's cool but can't beat Wolvie

Originally posted by Wolfblood77
It was a bad plan. Since he received intel about Wolverine's powers from shield, he was taking a big risk getting pinned down, within claws reach, and trying to use a serum to turn him into a vampire so he could try to kill him. For all he knew it could turn him, or the odds are quite good he could fight it off even if it took some time. Wolverine looked pretty confident that it wouldn't work with that smile... and that speaks volumes.

Originally posted by Creshosk
In 616 he shook off a vampire bite.

Know what happened in the world where he didn't?
http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/...hat-if-_400.jpg

Originally posted by Starlock
It is really telling when blade had prep, was waiting for wolvie and all logan wanted was a beer, that fight was over almost in one panel....and i.m.o blade was spared the quick defeat because it was his comic, as soon as logan took the sword in his chest and moved up the blade...that fight was over....he then asks blade if he had a healing factor.....and played nice by just slicing his face....Blade was done for in a real fight...
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...sWolverine3.jpg
and no feat in his respect thread made a major difference to me.canon or not(since i cant tell what is really retcon or just movie adaption or whatever?) but as i said taken all his feats into consideration and the confrontation with wolvie...its not a real contest to me

Originally posted by Ha-Son
lol...Blade stabbed wolverine, and wolverine response was "ouchie" followed by asking blade if he had a healing factor, followed by punching him 5 feet back, followed by telling blade he's gonna shove that sword up his ...

Originally posted by Francisco
Blade acted like a real meat head.. With the intel he had about Wolverine he should have come up with a better plan than walking into Wolverine appartment and try to gut him with a sword... Wolverine owned him.. He punched him at will Blade landed just one punch and it did squat to Wolverine...
In JUST Few words.. Blade acted like a fool and fought like a pansy...
Thank you Gugenheim... 🙄

Originally posted by Soljer
Wolverine could have beheaded Blade on at least two occasions. The serum even working on Wolverine is iffy. Wolverine was exhausted from fighting Omega Red.

How was it equal, again?

Originally posted by #1110
To me, this scan alone says everything. Read carefully, [b]"KRACK!". If Wolverines claws were out, Blades head would be in 4 slices. Wolverine retracted his claws before punching Blade.

Wolverine is playing with Blade. [/B]

Originally posted by riceroost
Nah, in my experience around here most people tend to ignore evidence. At least with insults you get a therapudic release of frustrations. Anyway, if it helps:

And on top of that
Ize19 implied he didn't think it was a stalemate against
Blade's favor.
Emporerpants thinks Wolverine flat out beats Blade.

And to add insult to injury "Most people don't even think Blade presents a challenge to Wolverine or beats him or anything of the like:
cmack - wolverine everytime
TheGame17 - wolverine wins.
P.S.> your argument is stupid.
(This one was directed at you specifically.)

Wolverine2006 - Blade is cool and all but I think Wolverine is too much for him.

MightyEInherjar -
I don't see Blade having enough damage output to put Wolverine down in this fight.
Wolverine 9/10.
carver9 -Good fight but I give the edge to wolverine. Theres basically nothing that blade can do to bring wolverine down.

Bouboumaster - Wolverine violate Blade in the first and second match.
Wolerine win the third, because of his HF.

Juk3n
SPITE -
Adamantuim > Flesh
Adamantium > Sword (even Blades acid edged sword)
But if we're talking a Kumute style fight - id have to say Tied for H2H
Blade for the Sword fight - because even though Logan was trained as a Samurai, he has not wield a sword for quite sometime, and i just believe blade to be mpore proficient (not by much) , but enough to out score him vs hits.
And for the first fight (standard equipment) as i said before, SPITE, Blade couldnt put down wolverine because of the adamantium - Blades standard equipment is guns and swords, the OP knows this - Wolvie doesn't really fall under the catagory (vulnarable to guns and swords)
SPITE ALL DAY LONG
did i mention spite?
No adamantium - and it would be close but id give Blade the edge 6/10
Sword length > Bone claw length

Apolloknight - Wolverine
Wolverine
Wolverine (because of the HF)

llagrok -
Wolverine wins all
Does he even need the sword?
Beta Ray Howard - Wolverine. Though he hardly ever shows his skill, he will use it when needed.
Soleran - Lol tax evader!
Wolverine wins, fairly easy victory.

Estacado - Wolverine FTW.
Metalmanx - Wolverine wins. Not easily at all, but he wins.
riceroost - 1) Wolverine would wreck Blade horribly. This is just mean.

2) I really doubt Blade is stronger or faster than Wolverine either. In the flashback where a young Blade is saved by Wolverine it is plainly stated that Wolverine's speed is at the very least equal to that of a vampire. Not only that, but his speed and strength seem to dwarf the vampire that was overpowering Blade.
Daredevil1 - IMO Wolverine wins.

Tha C-Master - That's a bit ironic isn't it?

Wolverine does win though.

Originally posted by Raÿne
wolverine owns blade. Isn't wolverine older than Blade?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Logan is above Blade in pretty much...everything that matters in fight. How is Blade going to take any wins at all?

Originally posted by jinzin
Phantom Zone? Not really, he said that it was probably INTENDED to be a stalemate but has insinuated that it wasn't by calling Marc an idiot writer. All the arguing he did against Wolverine stuff was just run of the mill Alffheim stuff, just some un-natural hatred or dislike for Wolverine and his fans but really held no bearing on the interpetation of the fight.

Im taking shit from guy who said that Wolverine paused in combat because he 'grrrd'? haermm

Anyway I think its a stalemate because Blade said they were too equally matched and Wolverine let him go. Previoulsy though I was open to both sides intepretation of the feats. The whole problem really is that you could even argue that it wasn't a stalemate because none of them were fighting to best ability. It certainly was not a win for either of them.

I am also unaturally baised because I dont think Jinzin is god, Jinzin is always right and if I dont agree with him because im biased. Jinzin never agrees with anything I say but on numerous ocassions I have comprimsed which therefore indicates that Jinzin is always right and I have a problem.....or it could mean....nah thats not possible.

Sod it i'll reply to this now.

Originally posted by jinzin

1. It's ludicrous. Wolverine's had every bit of training that Frank's had and then some.. AND THEN SOME... how you can possibly think that Punisher is better than Wolverine in ANY aspect involving h2h is clearly beyond me. Especially given that Punisher has used guns to keep distance between them in every encounter.

Wolverine has enhancements and much more experience. How the hell did an injured human being without enhancements hold his own against him?

Originally posted by jinzin

2. No, Punisher loses because Wolverine a good WEALTH better a fighter than Punisher could ever hope to be and any insinuation as to otherwise is strictly Punisher fanboyism flaunting it's ugly head.

"How do slower characters do well against slower characters"? 🤨

You mean slower against faster?
Yeah skill plays into that, but that has no relivence at all to Wolverine or Punisher.

Wolverine has enhancements and much more experience. How the hell did an injured human being without enhancements hold his own against him?

Hell Cap did better against Punisher and he was suffering from a disease.

Originally posted by jinzin

The hell are you talking about Wolverine DID hit him and he hit him hard enough and well enough to practically one shot Punisher. Pun fell out of the way fast enough not to get disected and you somehow think that makes him better than Wolverine?

I take it back it barely hit him. Again lets see...

1. Hes got no enhancements.
2. He was injured.
3. He has much much much much less training and experience
4. Still held his own against him despite it. This implies that if you take away Wolverine adamantuim and HF Wolverine loses to Punisher.

Originally posted by jinzin

And the next time they fought was WELL after their first encounter. Punisher had to use an ambush and he was fighting a Wolverine who was showing again at least SOME mercy (ripping apart the gun instead of going straight for the kill) Punisher was barely holding Wolverine back even with an ambush.

Lol can anybody see this shit???? The reason why Wolverine hit the gun instead of Punsiher was because he missed unpurpose. lmfao

Prove it!

Well after there first encounter? He was still injured and had fought an alligator.

Originally posted by jinzin

Except that it was Ennis who wrote it, and had Wolverine walking all over Punisher anyway, which is exactly what would happen between the two. If you're going to use that as evidence you're literally making an argument that Punisher has so much "luck" he'll do well enough to survive every fight... 😐

He's not domino.

Hes done wll againt Wolverine in every fight, thats not luck.

Puck punched Wolverine in the nuts and Wolverine was bent over in pain. Wolverine ran into Franks baseball bat, so it was the combined force of Frank and Wolverine...so yes it could drop Wolverine.

Originally posted by jinzin

I list those showings because he has far more of them. You see a couple lower end showings and you think that's the standard. It's ALWAYS the same with you. Same ol' shit different day.

Franks done well against Wolverine in every fight... thats not a low showing if it happens everytime. Frank has owned Bullseye in H2H and mashed up DD...its not a low showing.

Originally posted by jinzin

Wolverine didn't "kill dd" because he was mind controlled under the influence of several conflicting parties, fighting his mind control, and even then when it got to 1on1 Wolverine was kicking matts ass from one side of his basement to the next. So bad example like always.
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1. Prove the reason why he didnt kill him was because of the mindcontrol.
2. No Wolverine didnt hit DD once. DD even pushed him down the stairs with two hand ninjas....didn't you read the issue.

Originally posted by jinzin

Shingen was a top tier fighter for one, who was faster than Silver Samurai for two. And how do you think that hardly matters now as Wolverine's skills have clearly bettered since the mid 80's... or did you miss their last fight?
No, you're just ignoring it, so you can feel justified in using another bad example.. like usual.

No he hasnt improved. The point is Shingen has less exeperience Shingen was kicking his ass.

Originally posted by jinzin

Molly Hayes has powers that neither Punisher nor Blade have and that's not even close to being a fight to begin with.. 🤨

Stop exaggerating shes no Quicksilver. I dont even think she has impressive spead feats.

Originally posted by jinzin

MK, low showing simple as. But when you got MK running wild on half the X-Men and several other heroes he has no business fighting, one can easily see that. But hey let's ignore the fact that once again he does well in fights against high tiers the majority of the time and make some riciculous argument for slower vs. faster characters as if that somehow applise here..

😐

Its not a low showing for Wolverine to get punked MK.

lol alf lol.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

2. No Wolverine didnt hit DD once. DD even pushed him down the stairs with two hand ninjas....didn't you read the issue.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
the irony..................

Lol my bad he did manage to actually hit DD i take it abck, but he certainly was not kicking his ass because DD dodged most of Wolverine attacks and pushed him down the stairs with two hand ninjas.

Nevermind just keep agreeing with jinzin mindlessley.