Blade vs. Captain America

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
again all of this an opinion, it s your opinion that wolverine let blade stab him, while I could say blade just moved to fast for him. the fight can be interpretted either way to make it seem like both combatants had the upperhand. however it was made to be a stalemate ended i na stalemate and was stated to be a stalemate.

Blade tells Wolverine he is called Blade because he only needs one blade (as opposed to Wolverine's six). Wolverine asks him if he ia sure... and lets Blade stab him. Don't you think if Blade speed blitzed Wolverine like you seem to think... Wolverine might be... I don't no surprised... or maybe angry.

The fight is only a stalemate you don't look at the context of the fight. Wolverine has Blade pinned. Blade as no way of winning. Wolverine lets Blade go. How is that a stalemate?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Blade tells Wolverine he is called Blade because he only needs one blade (as opposed to Wolverine's six). Wolverine asks him if he ia sure... and lets Blade stab him. Don't you think if Blade speed blitzed Wolverine like you seem to think... Wolverine might be... I don't no surprised... or maybe angry.

The fight is only a stalemate you don't look at the context of the fight. Wolverine has Blade pinned. Blade as no way of winning. Wolverine [b]lets Blade go. How is that a stalemate? [/B]

I could say blade let wolverine tackle him in order to get wolverine close enough

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
not really seeing that, as written the stab didnt seem to hurt him. however wolverine was also handling a weakened blade seing as the wrier knew pretty much nothing about blade - he pretty much forgot blade has a healing factor as well)

I could say blade let wolverine tackle him in order to get wolverine close enough

So you think it was Blade's plan to let Wolverine take all his weapons away, completely disarm him pin him to the ground where he had no chance of fighting back? If that is the case that Blade is an idiot and the worst tactician in all of comicdom.

Blade's healing factor has never been that hot (he hasn't had it for long). Even before Guggenheim's run, Blade has had to get his bullet wounds stitched up.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So you think it was Blade's plan to let Wolverine take all his weapons away, completely disarm him pin him to the ground where he had no chance of fighting back? If that is the case that Blade is an idiot and the worst tactician in all of comicdom.

Blade's healing factor has never been that hot (he hasn't had it for long). Even before Guggenheim's run, Blade has had to get his bullet wounds stitched up, he even has claw mark scars on him for several issues in a row.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no Ibelieve it was blades plan to enrage wolverine enough so that he could get in close enough to use the vampire fluid - how else would he have used it? , and blades healing fator is different than wolverines, pretty much the more vamped he is (after drinking blood and such) his vampiric qualities are amped , thats why its up and down

Wolverine wasn't even that angry even at the end of the fight.

If Blade let himself get into that position then he is an idiot. There is no possible way that situation could have not ended without Blade dead if he had pushed the fight forward.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine wasn't even that angry even at the end of the fight.

If Blade let himself get into that position then he is an idiot. There is no possible way that situation could have not ended with Blade dead if he had pushed the fight forward.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
when he ran at blade cursing I got a different impression, and the fact he had the full intent of killing him. plain and simple they each couldve killed each other, but once blade retracted the needle he ended the fight, wolverine even asks why he should just let blade walk out of there

He was angry for a second or two when Blade shot him but quickly regained his composure (the reason he bother to talk to Blade instead of just killing him when he had him pinned).

You seem to be under the impression that the needle would magically kill Wolverine, or something. It wouldn't. It would have turned him into a vampire, at which point Blade theorize he could kill him by staking him... but Blade didn't have a stake. Wolverine had him pinned and Blade was unarmed. Turning Wolverine into a vampire would make Wolverine stronger, faster and more likely to kill Blade. Blade couldn't have killed Wolverine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He was angry for a second or two when Blade shot him but quickly regained his composure (the reason he bother to talk to Blade instead of just killing him when he had him pinned).

You seem to be under the impression that the needle would magically kill Wolverine, or something. It wouldn't. It would have turned him into a vampire, at which point Blade theorize he could kill him by staking him. Blade didn't have a stake. Wolverine had him pinned. Turning Wolverine into a vampire would make Wolverine stronger, faster and more likely to kill Blade. Blade couldn't have killed Wolverine.

and what makes you think blade a vampire hunter, didnt carry a stake on him, even in his fiht with dracula he had stakes coming out of his shoes, if blade says he coul stake him, he had a stake....especially since thats standard gear for blade, and it also wouldve take na minute to take hold, while wolverin was wreathing on the ground from the initial shock blade could stake him

which comes to the next point, blade was easily able to take out a vamped out spiderman who according to you would be both stronger and faster than the normal spiderman

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
first thing, wolverine has stopped to talk even bloodlusted - he has done so battling sabertooth, wolverines "composure" had nothing to do with him exchanging one-liners with blade.

and what makes you think blade a vampire hunter, didnt carry a stake on him, even in his fiht with dracula he had stakes coming out of his shoes, if blade says he coul stake him, he had a stake....especially since thats standard gear for blade, and it also wouldve take na minute to take hold, while wolverin was wreathing on the ground from the initial shock blade could stake him

which comes to the next point, blade was easily able to take out a vamped out spiderman who according to you would be both stronger and faster than the normal spiderman

Wolverine doesn't usually stop to chit chat when he fights (especially when he is in a bersker rage). His last group of fights with Sabretooth are different because Wolverine was trying to get info out of Sabs; and Creed stops fighting to talk with Wolverine all the time because he likes messing with his head.

I don't see any stakes anywhere on his body. He might have one up his pant legs or something... but he is wearing leather pants and he is pinned to the ground. Even if he has one there it would be easy to get it and he certainly won't be able to get it before Wolverine can kill him.

When Dracula turned Wolverine into a vampire he wasn't stunned, he just went straight from grabbling with Dracula to attack colossus.

Spider-man's radioactive blood doesn't mess with the vampire condition, it's hard to say if a vampire Spider-man recieved the same bonus as a normal human.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

You seem to be under the impression that the needle would magically kill Wolverine, or something.

Originally posted by Starscream M
it would've turned logan into a mindless bloodsucking beast, and Logan would lose all his skills and blade would drive a stake through him to kill him.

Vampires aren't mindless...

A powerful vampire can control the people they change via mind control (like Dracula has done) but that has no relevance here. Wolverine would have just become a stronger, faster killing machine - hence my Wolverine: Vampire Enemy of the State joke.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine doesn't usually stop to chit chat when he fights (especially when he is in a bersker rage). His last group of fights with Sabretooth are different because Wolverine was trying to get info out of Sabs; and Creed stops fighting to talk with Wolverine all the time because he likes messing with his head.

I don't see any stakes anywhere on his body. He might have one up his pant legs or something... but he is wearing leather pants and he is pinned to the ground. Even if he has one there it would be easy to get it and he certainly won't be able to get it before Wolverine can kill him.

When Dracula turned Wolverine into a vampire he wasn't stunned, he just went straight from grabbling with Dracula to attack colossus.

Spider-man's radioactive blood doesn't mess with the vampire condition, it's hard to say if a vampire Spider-man recieved the same bonus as a normal human.

wolverine is a mutant and it gav ehim the same boosts, according to blade the only thing his radioactive blood did was kill the vampire enzyme

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Vampires aren't mindless...

A powerful vampire can control the people they change via mind control (like Dracula has done) but that has no relevance here. Wolverine would have just become a stronger, faster killing machine - hence my Wolverine: Vampire Enemy of the State joke.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he could have easily have pulled one out of his jacket, andas for his fight with creed, I wasnt referring to when he had the flash back. I was refering to where he drew back his claws and put them to sabertooths head giving time for sabertooth to react and grab his heart and then rather than go for it immediately he starts talking with creed for a little before they "kill" each other

wolverine is a mutant and it gav ehim the same boosts, according to blade the only thing his radioactive blood did was kill the vampire enzyme

He popped his claws as soon as Creed explained what Quod Sum Eris ment (well... he called Creed crazy first). The reason Creed still managed to rip out Wolverine's heart is A) his hand was likely already inside Wolverine's chest and B) Sabretooth has always been faster than Wolverine.

He was wearing a zipped up leather jacket with sleeves that close in around the wrists. No way he could get a stack out fast enough to stack Wolverine before he is killed.

If Spider-man's radioactive blood kicks vampirism to the curb in a few hours it seems like a leap of faith to assume that it have the full effect on the victem before it wore off.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He popped his claws as soon as Creed explained what Quod Sum Eris ment (well... he called Creed crazy first). The reason Creed still managed to rip out Wolverine's heart is A) his hand was likely already inside Wolverine's chest and B) Sabretooth has always been faster than Wolverine.

He was wearing a zipped up leather jacket with sleeves that close in around the wrists. No way he could get a stack out fast enough to stack Wolverine before he is killed.

If Spider-man's radioactive blood kicks vampirism to the curb in a few hours it seems like a leap of faith to assume that it have the full effect on the victem before it wore off.

again even in fights where he regretted killing him opponent he went for the win, (such as against tank) so againt blade hed have no reason for holding back

and again spiderman had only been a vampire for a couple of minutes before meeting with blade, if anything he was at peak vampirismwhile he faught blade

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
that is stiilll a case of logan not popping his claws immediately, also against the leader of damag contol hwo he fuly intended to kill, he faught him no claws at all before finally killing him

again even in fights where he regretted killing him opponent he went for the win, (such as against tank) so againt blade hed have no reason for holding back

and again spiderman had only been a vampire for a couple of minutes before meeting with blade, if anything he was at peak vampirismwhile he faught blade

In both those situations Wolverine wasn't after a straight up fight, he had goals other than killing his opponent so they aren't very good examples. Against Creed he want answers to a few questions, so he beat the answers out of him. Against Duncan he wanted to beat him up before he killed him, because he was responsible for the death of 600 children in Wolverine's mind.

All we really know is that Spider-man's blood fights off the effects of vampirism. The vampirism is a blood disorder, and Spider-man's radiated blood prevents it from taking hold, I imagine it would severally hinder the advantages it provided. I wouldn't be surprised if the only thing Spidy got out if it was a craving for blood, but that is speculation.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
In both those situations Wolverine wasn't after a straight up fight, he had goals other than killing his opponent so they aren't very good examples. Against Creed he want answers to a few questions, so he beat the answers out of him. Against Duncan he wanted to beat him up before he killed him, because he was responsible for the death of 600 children in Wolverine's mind.

All we really know is that Spider-man's blood fights off the effects of vampirism. The vampirism is a blood disorder, and Spider-man's radiated blood prevents it from taking hold, I imagine it would severally hinder the advantages it provided. I wouldn't be surprised if the only thing Spidy got out if it was a craving for blood, but that is speculation.

the vampire virus however did take hold, as spiderman vamped out and wanted to leave before he lost ocntrol, it took him a while before his blood elminated the virus, your body can fight a cold that doesnt elimniate the effects the cold has on your body

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Hate to say it, but I've just taken a look at that scan:

W: You think I'm just gonna let you walk outta here?

B: Yeah.

W: 'Cause?

B: 'Cause you know we're too evenly matched and you have better things to do with your time.

Sorry, just trying to be fair.

Do you know if Sins of the Father is in continuity Snoop? I know it was originally published as an official movie adaption... but then it was republished as Sins of the Father with out any film references. Was it retcon'ed into continuity? That is my favourite Blade story.

I'm going to bed.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Do you know if Sins of the Father is in continuity Snoop? I know it was originally published as an official movie adaption... but then it was republished as Sins of the Father with out any film references. Was it retcon'ed into continuity? That is my favourite Blade story.

I'm going to bed.