Blade vs. Captain America

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he still took force out of the fall, he had him when he was stil many yards in the air and was exerting force meaning he was slowing his fall, no where does it state ben had the wind knocked out of him, the "ooomph" can be from ben simply diving to the ground to catch him or simply to show benn took the impact, simply saying oomph doesnt mean he had the wind knocked out of him

and it was stated captain america was merely egging ironman on and angering him, looking at the panels its obvious captain america was about to die, and said he would've had ironman not snapped out of it in time.

and blade doesnt fight heroes, captain america getting himself beat up no way puts him above blade in durability

Its a sign that wind left him unwillingly. The Thing even states it was the rough job.

Thats your assumption he was about to die. Here you use assumption.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no the difference is Im using whats stated, captain america STATED he wouldve died long ago if he didnt have his shield

Here you use what Cap saids against him for the radiation.

Lets see what does Cap saids on taking IM hits?

"And spar with you all day".

In one instances you use what Cap saids because its against him.
In the other since it helps him you don't used it despite it being STATED. Again Cap states he can take more hits.

So again your assuming and picking what you like.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Its a sign that wind left him unwillingly. The Thing even states it was the rough job.

Thats your assumption he was about to die. Here you use assumption.

Here you use what Cap saids against him for the radiation.

Lets see what does Cap saids on taking IM hits?

"And spar with you all day".

In one instances you use what Cap saids because its against him.
In the other since it helps him you don't used it despite it being STATED. Again Cap states he can take more hits.

So again your assuming and picking what you like.

....ok looking at this youre going to tel me captain america was fine?

http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericaann0921tj0.jpg

that and captain america says ironman snapped out ofit in time, just in time to save him, and again it is sated before that captain america is just egging him on, he needs ironman to stay on the mountain top so the cold can reverse the zombie effect., and the thing grunting doesnt mean the wind was knocked out of him that is an assumption on your part

both quotes were used in different ways , captain america is talking to himself i nthe first one - so he is obviously telling the truth, second one it is sated captain america is only trying to make ironman angry

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no the difference is Im using whats stated, captain america STATED he wouldve died long ago if he didnt have his shield, captain america took a couple of seconds of bare radiation before he broke out of the containment unit.

and the fact again is he was rigth next to a nuclear reactor after it had blow nup, he couldve been miles away and he stilll wouldve been affeected with radiation equal to hiroshima, however the fact that he is standing in the flames of the explosion means he cant be far away from it and thus iis being exposed to very high levels of radiation

Do you have the proof that states it equals the radiation to "hiroshima"?

The fact that he's far away and it doesn't say the level of radiation that he's enduring makes it arguable at best at least with Cap we know he took it for a bit without any aid inside the core and even despite the shield absorbing to aid him earlier he was still taking some of it. Plus were is the next scan for that? It doesn't show if Blade stayed there for a while. To my understanding humans can withstand exposure of varying low-levels or radiation anyhow just not long-term.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
both quotes were used in different ways , captain america is talking to himself i nthe first one - so he is obviously telling the truth, second one it is sated captain america is only trying to make ironman angry

Its how he grunts shows it as gush coming out that are not words, plus the Thing even admits its rough he "stated" it since you like using whats stated. Making Ironman angry yeah, but he also states he can spar with him all day but wasn't going to get the chance because of the fall trap he was caught in.

Yeah Cap is telling the truth in the first one but is lying in the next one. Shows a double standard on your part.

Cherry picking what you want I see.

Anyway.....if you could prove that Blade is slightly more durable or even slightly faster hes still gonna lose. Heres why:

1. Eventhough Blade is a martial arts expert hes still not as good as Cap
2. Cap has hundreds or possibly 1000s of years experience thanks to Korvac.
3. Cap has better MA feats such as learning an alien martial art in 1 day and beating an andriod that downloaded every martial art recorded.
4. I don't think Blade has MA feats where hes been able to stun somebody as powerful as The Hulk.

Blade is good but hes not good enough. Cap 7/10

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Anyway.....if you could prove that Blade is slightly more durable or even slightly faster hes still gonna lose. Heres why:

1. Eventhough Blade is a martial arts expert hes still not as good as Cap
2. Cap has hundreds or possibly 1000s of years experience thanks to Korvac.
3. Cap has better MA feats such as learning an alien martial art in 1 day and beating an andriod that downloaded every martial art recorded.
4. I don't think Blade has MA feats where hes been able to stun somebody as powerful as The Hulk.

Blade is good but hes not good enough. Cap 7/10

He has less feats because he has less story arcs / books. He may be better - but he can never be the winner in a debate like this. IMO it's spite to pair him in a match with one of the top 3 written about characters in Marvel - especially when he JUST makes the top 10. Caps on-panel feats must out number Blades 30-40 to 1 so once again i call spite.

capt................

blade constantly overestimated, becuases he a vampirer.............which means nothing

Originally posted by Battlehammer
capt................

blade constantly overestimated, becuases he a vampirer.............which means nothing

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no ones over estimating blade at all

He not fast, stronger, better stamina, or more agile then capt. He not as skilled as capt and he nto closes to as tactically sound nor are the opponets he faces more dangerous.

so there really no reason to think Blade beats capt any majority of the time.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Do you have the proof that states it equals the radiation to "hiroshima"?

The fact that he's far away and it doesn't say the level of radiation that he's enduring makes it arguable at best at least with Cap we know he took it for a bit without any aid inside the core and even despite the shield absorbing to aid him earlier he was still taking some of it. Plus were is the next scan for that? It doesn't show if Blade stayed there for a while. To my understanding humans can withstand exposure of varying low-levels or radiation anyhow just not long-term.

and hes not far away at all, if hes stil lstanding in the flames of the explosion he is definently in range, specially sine the radiation can travel for miles away

and the radiatiion from a nuclear facility is not low level at all, blade is no farther than a couple hundred meters fro mthe explosion seeings as again he is in the flames of the explosion

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
if it was a standard nuclear facility, the cloud of radiation released in the immediate area wouldve been taht extreme

and hes not far away at all, if hes stil lstanding in the flames of the explosion he is definently in range, specially sine the radiation can travel for miles away

and the radiatiion from a nuclear facility is not low level at all, blade is no farther than a couple hundred meters fro mthe explosion seeings as again he is in the flames of the explosion

Originally posted by Battlehammer
no you clearly are...........you always do.

He not fast, stronger, better stamina, or more agile then capt. He not as skilled as capt and he nto closes to as tactically sound nor are the opponets he faces more dangerous.

so there really no reason to think Blade beats capt any majority of the time.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
except he has feats that help to assume he is on level, especially since his stas are super human, thats what blades mainstream series was trying to do, by having him fight spiderman and wolverine - trying to place him i nthe mainstream marve lworld and yet people are able to pick at things to make the fight not credible

with what?

Blade fought a mindless spiderman...............capt fought spiderman as well and fair even better and the spiderman he fought was not mindless.

Blade got stomped on by a weaken wolverine...............capt fair better vs wolverine then blade has............

this is really not helping your arguements.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Its how he grunts shows it as gush coming out that are not words, plus the Thing even admits its rough he "stated" it since you like using whats stated. Making Ironman angry yeah, but he also states he can spar with him all day but wasn't going to get the chance because of the fall trap he was caught in.

Yeah Cap is telling the truth in the first one but is lying in the next one. Shows a double standard on your part.

Cherry picking what you want I see.

in that fight he was simply egging him on, he told ironman to kill him and use everything he had and while hes battered and could barely form the sentence he says he could do it all day - however if you want to use this as evidence

Ill use blade and wolverines fight as proof that blade and wolverine are equals:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladevsWolverine7.jpg

vampires are being understimated, regular average vampires have amazed luke cage with their strength and speed blitzed spiderman - and these are the ordinary vampires that blade kills

Originally posted by Battlehammer
with what?

Blade fought a mindless spiderman...............capt fought spiderman as well and fair even better and the spiderman he fought was not mindless.

Blade got stomped on by a weaken wolverine...............capt fair better vs wolverine then blade has............

this is really not helping your arguements.

wolverine wasnt weakened in their fight either, the writer had them stalemate

*sigh*

On the topic SHIELD thinking Blade was Wolverine's equal: that proves nothing. In that very same issue it was shown that SHIELD knows virtually nothing about Wolverine - they didn't even know his claws are housed in his forarms! They still though his claws were a bionic attachment for his gloves, for christ sake!

Wolverine easily overpowered Blade despite the fact that he was holding back and had just "gone 15 rounds with Omega Red," who is one of Wolverine's most powerful rogues.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

On the topic SHIELD thinking Blade was Wolverine's equal: that proves nothing. In that very same issue it was shown that SHIELD knows virtually [b]nothing about Wolverine - they didn't even know his claws where housed in his forarms! They still though his claws were a bionic attachment for his gloves, for christ sake!
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Originally posted by Starscream M
so you actually believe that SHIELD doesn't know info that pretty much anyone who matters knows (that logans claws are in his forearms?

It's right in the story. It's how Wolverine escaped from SHIELD. Apparently it isn't common knowledge; shield thought that power dampeners would stop Wolverine from using his claws.

Spiderman?

Wolverine?

What the hell are they doing here?

Captain America wins.