Originally posted by quanchi112
He was amped in dong but not in countdown 2. When Ds lost the amp so did Orion they fought on equal ground both times.
Well I know that, amped in dotng but not in cd 2 true. Orion was brought back to do what the Source had planned all along and DS thought he didn't have to worry anymore about Orion, not a bad showing nearly winning after all that. 🙂
Originally posted by kevdudeYes. I read all of countdown and dong.
Well I know that, amped in dotng but not in cd 2 true. Orion was brought back to do what the Source had planned all along and DS thought he didn't have to worry anymore about Orion, not a bad showing nearly winning after all that. 🙂
Darkseid had an honorable death I admit but he still got his heart torn out by Orion meaning anyone with Orion like strength could do it.
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
I don't know, that his power far greater than someone who can manipulate anti-matter....that he create beings with a small portion of his power, that shit on pretty much any herald leveler and some even some trancendents.Also, I love I completely proved you wrong and you resort to changing your stance to hide the fact that you embarassed yourself. 🙂 [/B]
Galan007 wrote on Sep 20th, 2007 01:41 PM:
As for nvr's comment...Most of it is accurate... The only part I had a problem with was his trying to make Takion's creating/dispersing of Anti-Matter, in a Positive Matter Universe, some kind of big deal.
Yeah it's impressive, but not unheard of.. [I've seen FS do much the same thing]..
Originally posted by quanchi112Neither has using red herrings and referencing other pointless incidents, to cover your own behind. 🙂
Again flaming hasnt won a single argument. It actually detracts from your argument.
Black adam has beat the crap out of dc earth all together save Superman and WW. See how we can stretch one feat?😐
What...The.....F#ck....Does....that.....have.....to.....do.....with......anything?
Again most of these top tiers he has dominated has been in the distant past. He didnt show any superiority over Orion in countdown 2. I am not saying he cant defeat a top tier but that he isnt above top tier anymore. He cant beat Superman anymore without outside interference either. Superman has never been granted any special favors against Orion has he? Has Superman ever beat Black Adam either? Superman isnt even shown to be the greatest top tier there is in dc yet you want to say he has special consideration.Please, stop evading the main point and quit with all of these sorry excuses. And the fact that Black Adam can solo those groups, should tell you he's above top tier.....
Superman was downed due to a lucky Kalibak punch. Darkseid didnt hit him with any lucky punches hence Superman was not put down. Kalibak also had help. Superman should beat Kalibak for a vast majority out of ten but the fact remains that if Kalibak should get a lucky punch in he can down Supes.So if Kalibak beat him with a lucky punch, then why the hell is that a low showing in your eyes? It's irrelevent any ways
Orion is on par with Darkseid. I give Darkseid the slight majority but they are very much in the same league. To say otherwise is being ignorant. Kalibak is the weakest of all three of these new gods but still has enough strength to put down Superman.There on the same level because Orion has fullfilled the prophecy and beat him like what? The first time in over 30 years?
Again the rest if flaming. I dont take two different stances. It is all the same its just you fail to comprehend my position it seems.I comprehend your stance just find. Your using whatever shred of evidence you can get your hands on, while ignoring the fallacies in your own logic.....not to mention that your contradicting yourself by making hypocritical statements.
Do I care what the polls say about Thanos? 😂 In the end its all a bunch of guys on the internet. Dont take this stuff so seriously.Your so full of bs......I recall you downplaying me a while back ago, for not participating in a battlezone. 😆
Quan, it's one thing to be wrong, but it's a whole other to not admit your own flaws. Just stop with the hypocrisy, your not fooling anyone.
Oh yeah didnt Superman take out the jla when he was mindcontrolled? Didnt he also defeat Despero wit heat vision and you say Takion is superior to Superman? Seriously?😐
So now your referencing Supes high showings? And a few seconds ago you were just trying to downplay him....You can't just choose when to use an example and then use another that flat out contradicts your previous idea.....I swear to god, some times I think your more than one person....
Heres a summation of your argument.
I think Darkseid's a top tier.
I think because Superman beat him twice, he's a top tier.
I know Ds has handled other top tiers before, even recently. But I'm just going to dismiss those feats.
I know Superman can perform above top tier feats.
Yet I try to demean him with both low showings and showings that aren't even bad on his behalf.
So because Superman has both high and low feats and Superman has only pulled off a couple of wins against Darkseid, I think that Ds is a top tier aswell.
So because Takion is below Ds, he must be a top tier(or below) aswell.
Do you not realize how faulty your logic is? It's the worst kind of abc logic you can use.
Originally posted by darthgooberFirestorm can merely alter anti-matter. He's not capable of summoning it like Takion. Plus Firetstorms one of the best energy manipulators in the Dcu.....
I've talked to Galan about it before and it's really not that great a feat. I'm almost positive that I've seen Hal do it in the past and according to Galan Firestorm's done pretty much the same thing also...
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Firestorm can merely alter anti-matter. He's not capable of summoning it like Takion. Plus Firetstorms one of the best energy manipulators in the Dcu.....
And whether or not manipulating Anti-Matter in DC is a major feat is kind of irrelevant because it doesn't take away from Marvel's characters from being able to do so. All it really means is that any Marvel character who can manipulate Anti-Matter is a top tier matter/energy manipulator by DC's definition.
Originally posted by darthgooberFirestorm only changed changed the anti-matter and nothing more. He didn't project it or anything....
Surfer's feats are right on par with Hal and FS, so if they can do it I fail to see why he wouldn't be able to. And as I said I'm not sure about FS(just head about that from Galan) but I'm almost positive I've seen Hal create Anti-Matter.And whether or not manipulating Anti-Matter in DC is a major feat is kind of irrelevant because it doesn't take away from Marvel's characters from being able to do so. All it really means is that any Marvel character who can manipulate Anti-Matter is a top tier matter/energy manipulator by DC's definition.
And how can you just assume that because a character you consider to be on par with another, is capable of the same feats as he/she? You have to support that statement with factual evidence.....you know, like an example of Ss actually manipulating am.....
And I don't know about the Hal example. If you could find it, feel free to show it to me.
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomI used Black Adam here to prove that he can also perform such a feat. It doesnt mean he can beat the Silver Surfer though?But he was amped per the retcon so I will drop it.
Neither has using red herrings and referencing other pointless incidents, to cover your own behind. 🙂😐
What...The.....F#ck....Does....that.....have.....to.....do.....with......anything?
Please, stop evading the main point and quit with all of these sorry excuses. And the fact that Black Adam can solo those groups, should tell you he's above top tier.....
So if Kalibak beat him with a lucky punch, then why the hell is that a low showing in your eyes? It's irrelevent any ways
There on the same level because Orion has fullfilled the prophecy and beat him like what? The first time in over 30 years?
I comprehend your stance just find. Your using whatever shred of evidence you can get your hands on, while ignoring the fallacies in your own logic.....not to mention that your contradicting yourself by making hypocritical statements.
Your so full of bs......I recall you downplaying me a while back ago, for not participating in a battlezone. 😆
Quan, it's one thing to be wrong, but it's a whole other to not admit your own flaws. Just stop with the hypocrisy, your not fooling anyone.
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So now your referencing Supes high showings? And a few seconds ago you were just trying to downplay him....You can't just choose when to use an example and then use another that flat out contradicts your previous idea.....I swear to god, some times I think your more than one person....
Heres a summation of your argument.
I think Darkseid's a top tier.
I think because Superman beat him twice, he's a top tier.
I know Ds has handled other top tiers before, even recently. But I'm just going to dismiss those feats.
I know Superman can perform above top tier feats.
Yet I try to demean him with both low showings and showings that aren't even bad on his behalf.
So because Superman has both high and low feats and Superman has only pulled off a couple of wins against Darkseid, I think that Ds is a top tier aswell.
So because Takion is below Ds, he must be a top tier(or below) aswell.
Do you not realize how faulty your logic is? It's the worst kind of abc logic you can use.
I never meant for it be a disgraceful showing I use it to show that Superman can be knocked senseless by someone as strong as Kalibak.
How many times had Darkseid beaten Orion in their entire history?
Again quit bring up reasons why you dont like me and the distant past. Ok it has no place here. Posters who let their personal feelings cloud their judgments arent very good posters imo.
I know Darkseid has beaten top tiers. But to be above top tiers you cant struggle with Superman and be beaten by Orion. He can beat most top tiers but cant outright dominate them all. To be above top tier they should only beat you through plot devices or with help.
I never ignore Supes has high showins just as I dont ignore his low showings either. You are basing everything about Takion on one feat that Superman could do on hi sown. He has higher feats than this. It just proves that Takion is a top tier like Superman and Darkseid. That is all.
I havent contradicted myself once. If you disagree thats fine but it doesnt give you the right to flame.
Yes Takion is a top tier. Superman is a top tier but has much higher showings than Takion so why should Takion be above both what Superman and Darkseid with nothing to back it up.
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Originally posted by darthgoober👆
Surfer's feats are right on par with Hal and FS, so if they can do it I fail to see why he wouldn't be able to. And as I said I'm not sure about FS(just head about that from Galan) but I'm almost positive I've seen Hal create Anti-Matter.And whether or not manipulating Anti-Matter in DC is a major feat is kind of irrelevant because it doesn't take away from Marvel's characters from being able to do so. All it really means is that any Marvel character who can manipulate Anti-Matter is a top tier matter/energy manipulator by DC's definition.
Originally posted by darthgooberAnd whether or not manipulating Anti-Matter in DC is a major feat is kind of irrelevant
because it doesn't take away from Marvel's characters from being able to do so.All it really means is that any Marvel character who can manipulate Anti-Matter
is a top tier matter/energy manipulator by DC's definition.
Originally posted by quanchi112Well...no need to respond to this then.
I used Black Adam here to prove that he can also perform such a feat. It doesnt mean he can beat the Silver Surfer though?But he was amped per the retcon so I will drop it.
I never meant for it be a disgraceful showing I use it to show that Superman can be knocked senseless by someone as strong as Kalibak.So you believe Kalibak is capable of taking Supes with a good punch, but you still think Ds=Superman? If Kalibak tried that shit on Darkseid he'd be embarassed.....like always....
That alone should tell you how weak your arguments are.
How many times had Darkseid beaten Orion in their entire history?About 4 or 5. And he didn't just beat him in those instances, he one shotted him to hell every single time.
Again quit bring up reasons why you dont like me and the distant past. Ok it has no place here. Posters who let their personal feelings cloud their judgments arent very good posters imo.Please, stop being such a crybaby. I wasn't "bringing up reasons why I dislike you", I was reminding you of your hypocrisy.
I know Darkseid has beaten top tiers. But to be above top tiers you cant struggle with Superman and be beaten by Orion. He can beat most top tiers but cant outright dominate them all. To be above top tier they should only beat you through plot devices or with help.Lulz
Darkseid dominated Orion, Infinity man, Agogg and others. Don't you think that it maybe possible, that Ds struggles with Superman for reasons other than him just being a top tier? And again, Orion only has a 5/4-1 record against Darkseid.
I never ignore Supes has high showins just as I dont ignore his low showings either. You are basing everything about Takion on one feat that Superman could do on hi sown. He has higher feats than this. It just proves that Takion is a top tier like Superman and Darkseid. That is all.This analogy fails [b]HARD! Superman high showings are not his average. Takion's most consistent showings shit on Superman's. And name one showing that puts Takion at top tier? His record is pretty much clean and he's devoid of any low showings.
I havent contradicted myself once. If you disagree thats fine but it doesnt give you the right to flame.Lulz, denial is great isn't it?
Yes Takion is a top tier. Superman is a top tier but has much higher showings than Takion so why should Takion be above both what Superman and Darkseid with nothing to back it up.The only thing you have to support this claim, is our own faulty logic. There is nothing, I repeat nothing to prove that Takion is a mere top tier. Quit reaching or godsake, your just embarassing yourself.
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Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer's feats are right on par with Hal and FS, so if they can do it I fail to see why he wouldn't be able to. And as I said I'm not sure about FS(just head about that from Galan) but I'm almost positive I've seen Hal create Anti-Matter.And whether or not manipulating Anti-Matter in DC is a major feat is kind of irrelevant because it doesn't take away from Marvel's characters from being able to do so. All it really means is that any Marvel character who can manipulate Anti-Matter is a top tier matter/energy manipulator by DC's definition.
Marvel's anti-matter isn't the same as DC's. There isn't an anti-matter universe in marvel. Nor is there the possibility of someone pulling an AM and destroying the universe with an Anti-matter wave.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestYes, in DC, Anti-Matter is a DIRECT result of mucking around with Entropy. Can't say the same about Anti-matter in Marvel.
Marvel's anti-matter isn't the same as DC's. There isn't an anti-matter universe in marvel. Nor is there the possibility of someone pulling an AM and destroying the universe with an Anti-matter wave.
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomAll that Kalibak as proven is that he can defeat Superman with a lucky punch with Mantis' aid. Darkseid's knees would have buckled it he got hit with the same punch. Again it wasnt just Kalibak he had Mantis there to help him. Context.
Well...no need to respond to this then.So you believe Kalibak is capable of taking Supes with a good punch, but you still think Ds=Superman? If Kalibak tried that shit on Darkseid he'd be embarassed.....like always....
That alone should tell you how weak your arguments are.
About 4 or 5. And he didn't just beat him in those instances, he one shotted him to hell every single time.
Please, stop being such a crybaby. I wasn't "bringing up reasons why I dislike you", I was reminding you of your hypocrisy.
Lulz
Darkseid dominated Orion, Infinity man, Agogg and others. Don't you think that it maybe possible, that Ds struggles with Superman for reasons other than him just being a top tier? And again, Orion only has a 5/4-1 record against Darkseid.
This analogy fails [b]HARD
! Superman high showings are not his average. Takion's most consistent showings shit on Superman's. And name one showing that puts Takion at top tier? His record is pretty much clean and he's devoid of any low showings.Lulz, denial is great isn't it?
The only thing you have to support this claim, is our own faulty logic. There is nothing, I repeat nothing to prove that Takion is a mere top tier. Quit reaching or godsake, your just embarassing yourself. [/B]
Name all four or five. I want at least three situations where Orion was oneshotted also.
Darkseid beat Agog how many years ago. Why must you name feats that happened oh so many years ago when his current feats like say in the past five years contradict that said power level. 😉
Darkseid struggles with Superman while Superman cant beat Orion. Ds sturggles because he cant put him down easily and Supermans durability far exceeds Darkseid's.
Supermans high showings such as Dominus and Despero crap all over Takions high showings. Superman also has made darkseid submit to him in apokolips now. Superman feats>>>Takions the few that he has and the few you cling to.
Again my logic is sound. None of Takions feats separate him from top tier. I win. 😛