Superman Vs WWH (Definitive, Official, One and only thread)

Originally posted by darthgoober
darthgoober= stronger than Superman.

Prove me wrong...

That's the point, the Hulk fanboys are claiming lots, and backing up nothing, but with more bullshit claims.

Just like Horror keeps making claims that Sentry WAS in fact going lightspeed, evidence has been given, and just not accepted by the other party here.

A while back he even claimed Hulk had never been defeated physically, I named a good 4 in the last couple years alone off of the to of my head, and I don't even read Hulk much. [I did read a few trades of his during an era with some undead type of FBI chasing him around the globe, and a couple others like Hulk the end.]

They say Sentry was using some calming power on Hulk, [which he DOES posses, as per the Sentry miniseries] however we know Sentry was there with the intent to fight, wanted to fight, wanted to feel what cutting loose and PURPOSELY trading blows with the Hulk would be like.

Originally posted by The Pict
Where's your evidence? You might have noticed I posted some....

It's not up to others to prove you wrong, it's up to you to prove yourself right.

Originally posted by Juntai
You made the statement, back it up.

That's the point, the Hulk fanboys are claiming lots, and backing up nothing, but with more bullshit claims.

Just like Horror keeps making claims that Sentry WAS in fact going lightspeed, evidence has been given, and just not accepted by the other party here.

A while back he even claimed Hulk had never been defeated physically, I named a good 4 in the last couple years alone off of the to of my head, and I don't even read Hulk much. [I did read a few trades of his during an era with some undead type of FBI chasing him around the globe, and a couple others like Hulk the end.]

They say Sentry was using some calming power on Hulk, [which he DOES posses, as per the Sentry miniseries] however we know Sentry was there with the intent to fight, wanted to fight, wanted to feel what cutting loose and PURPOSELY trading blows with the Hulk would be like.

Good post 👆

Originally posted by darthgoober
You posted YOUR interpretation of on panel depiction, that's not the same as concrete proof. Someone else could easily post the same scan and say that Hulk speaking and reacting to Sentry is proof that Hulk has true super speed.

It's not up to others to prove you wrong, it's up to you to prove yourself right.

No, Horrorwolf keeps saying I'm wrong with no evidence, so for him to be right he has to prove me wrong.

It's not an interpretation it's clear proof, and saying Hulk has superspeed shows that you don't know what Hulk's powers are (I'm sure you do, I'm just saying that's the genral interpretation of that statement) or worse that you read the comic and have no grasp of what actually happened within it. Which I'm sure is Horrorwolf's problem.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It's not up to others to prove you wrong, it's up to you to prove yourself right.

Something people forget all too often.

"I'm making a claim, but far from backing it up, you just have to prove me wrong.".

The fact of the matter is, I'm not so open to denying Hulk is capable of beating Superman, but if you're asking me, a decade-plus long Hulk fan, who would win a bulk of the fights, it's Superman.

In my opinion he is the cheapest, poorest developed shit in the entire comics world. He began his life as a pearoller of a superhero who could leap a mile and a bit, and now he's pretty much invincible. I don't think many people will argue against the fact that he has just continued to be given power after power for poor reasons.

People can b*tch about "questionable" developments in Hulk's powers over the years, but nothing actually compares to the liberties DC have taken with Superman and other characters. Like how everyone here cites Supes' speed as some factor in every fight, but it wasn't around when he got bumped off by Doomsday, with brute force. For those watching at home, brute force is something Hulk has.

That aside, the fact is, he has those powers, and is Hulk capable of beating them? I believe so. Will we ever see it? Likely not. Would he win a bulk of the fights? No. Who would probably win a one time only fight? Superman.

Just the way it is. It's not because Superman's awesome and that much better by being the man, he just has the necessary powers for whatever reason. I'm not ashamed to admit it, because as a true Hulk fan, I know Superman has those powers and I know why. So to say Hulk would lose against a character that cheap isn't a big deal. It's like admitting Hulk would lose to Galactus. Doesn't matter to me.

Besides, how is that somehow a shit thing? Losing to Superman. Nobody is really going to look down on him. "You lost to Superman, you p*ssy.".

-AC

Originally posted by Juntai
You made the statement, back it up.

That's the point, the Hulk fanboys are claiming lots, and backing up nothing, but with more bullshit claims.

Just like Horror keeps making claims that Sentry WAS in fact going lightspeed, evidence has been given, and just not accepted by the other party here.

A while back he even claimed Hulk had never been defeated physically, I named a good 4 in the last couple years alone off of the to of my head, and I don't even read Hulk much. [I did read a few trades of his during an era with some undead type of FBI chasing him around the globe, and a couple others like Hulk the end.]

They say Sentry was using some calming power on Hulk, [which he DOES posses, as per the Sentry miniseries] however we know Sentry was there with the intent to fight, wanted to fight, wanted to feel what cutting loose and PURPOSELY trading blows with the Hulk would be like.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Something people forget all too often.

"I'm making a claim, but far from backing it up, you just have to prove me wrong.".

-AC

I have backed it up, it's those debating on the side of the Hulk which have yet to do so 😬

I mean have you actually read some of horrorwolf's posts?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I haven't seen Hulk fans make anymore unfounded claims than Supes's fans truth be told(though I admit I haven't been following it all that closely).

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Precisely. 😉 Hulk walks through all of Superman's assults and pummels the living hell out of him for as long as Superman has will. Superman has nothing that can stop WWH's HF, and nothing that can counter his growing Strength.

Okay so posts like that are good, decent claims which can be backed up?

Only the impossibly lame could possibly think that Superman could in any way take out the Hulk as depicted in World War Hulk.
He was the apex of rage, no one could stand up to him. It took a plot contrivance and his own desire to stop himself.

King Hulk 11/10!!!

Originally posted by darthgoober
I haven't seen Hulk fans make anymore unfounded claims than Supes's fans truth be told(though I admit I haven't been following it all that closely). At this point I've seen Supes's fans say that Supes is both physically stronger than Hulk and will blitz Hulk at lightspeed and I haven't seen one shred of proof supporting either statement. Yes I've also seen Hulk's fans state that Hulk is stronger and can react to a blitz from Supes but Hulk's fans have listed several feats of pure physical strength that the Hulk has preformed and shown the Sentry scan to support his tagging Supes. What I haven't seen is a pure feat of physical strength of Supes's that puts him above Hulk or an instance of him blitzing at lightspeed.

We've been down this road before though pal. 9/10 times a Supes fan
provides a scan demonstrating Supermans physical strength, then the
opposition normally goes into explicit detail as to why it's not his actual
strength, but the inertia of flight lifting the object.

And regarding the light speed speed-blitz, you won't find one specifically
stating he's blitzing at light speed, but you could be provided with scans
of Superman blitzing various characters, all of which are as fast, or
faster then Hulk, Supes doesn't need light speed reflexes to dodge
a physical onslaught from the Hulk, he wouldn't even need 1/100th
light speed to do this.
IMO a simple speed blitz scan would be sufficient evidence against
Hulk with this strategy simply because it's common knowledge that
Hulk doesn't have superspeed.

Originally posted by The Pict
Prove me wrong. Prove me wrong and I'll admit Sentry was going at top speed. If you can prove that I'm wrong with this:

and that Sentry is going ftl like you claim I'll admit he can counter Superman. Go on, I'm sure for at least once in this debate you can post some solid evidence. Just give it a try for once.

prove to me that superman can blitz at light speed. Show me a fight where it indicated that superman blitzed someone at light speed.

Originally posted by carver9
prove to me that superman can blitz at light speed. Show me a fight where it indicated that superman blitzed someone at light speed.

Originally posted by carver9
prove to me that superman can blitz at light speed. Show me a fight where it indicated that superman blitzed someone at light speed.

He wont find one, because to my knowledge, such a statement doesn't
exist, but why does Superman need lightspeed to lay a punch on the Hulk?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I haven't seen Hulk fans make anymore unfounded claims than Supes's fans truth be told(though I admit I haven't been following it all that closely). At this point I've seen Supes's fans say that Supes is both physically stronger than Hulk and will blitz Hulk at lightspeed and I haven't seen one shred of proof supporting either statement. Yes I've also seen Hulk's fans state that Hulk is stronger and can react to a blitz from Supes but Hulk's fans have listed several feats of pure physical strength that the Hulk has preformed and shown the Sentry scan to support his tagging Supes. What I haven't seen is a pure feat of physical strength of Supes's that puts him above Hulk or an instance of him blitzing at lightspeed.

Funny, I said this earlier in the thread.

I'll even give an example;

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/week01-2000-Superman_V2-152-04.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/week01-2000-Superman_V2-152-05.jpg

Superman and Hulk's strenght feat are comparable to most, some feel one way, some feel another. In a typical showing though, I feel Superman IS the stronger character, while Hulk amps in bursts, based on anger, then returns to a 'standard' level. Granted, that isn't -this- Hulk, who starts out really strong, however Superman starts out strong too, and has strength equally as dynamic.

Originally posted by carver9
prove to me that superman can blitz at light speed. Show me a fight where it indicated that superman blitzed someone at light speed.

Are you denying Superman has superspeed? Because if he has it by KMC rules (damn I'm tired of repeating this line) he will be going at his top speeds. Superman can fly ftl so will be doing so against Hulk.

Try this: prove to me that Hulk can counter a blitz at light speed.

Originally posted by Avlon
This had nothing to do with the debate.

Countered by relatively weak performance. Prove that WWH is superior.

Hulk was pummeld by Sentry. They stalemated, ran out of energy and reverted to human form. Borg would destroy him with ease in so many ways.

Yes. Regular Hulk actually has some feats.

His performance wasnt weak. He withstood Blackbolts scream that could have take out RIsland and he beat the Sentry which he couldnt do otherwise. he also stood the Juggernaut up and resisted him. All of these he couldnt do prior to this. Did you even read the comic?

How could you respond with such ignorance if you had.

Hulk took everything Sentry dished out which was more than he had ever previously dished out prior to this fight.

WW Hulk is stronger and more powerful than any previous Hulk as stated in the comic.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You posted YOUR interpretation of on panel depiction, that's not the same as concrete proof. Someone else could easily post the same scan and say that Hulk speaking and reacting to Sentry is proof that Hulk has true super speed.

It's not up to others to prove you wrong, it's up to you to prove yourself right.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I haven't seen Hulk fans make anymore unfounded claims than Supes's fans truth be told(though I admit I haven't been following it all that closely). At this point I've seen Supes's fans say that Supes is both physically stronger than Hulk and will blitz Hulk at lightspeed and I haven't seen one shred of proof supporting either statement. Yes I've also seen Hulk's fans state that Hulk is stronger and can react to a blitz from Supes but Hulk's fans have listed several feats of pure physical strength that the Hulk has preformed and shown the Sentry scan to support his tagging Supes. What I haven't seen is a pure feat of physical strength of Supes's that puts him above Hulk or an instance of him blitzing at lightspeed.

The Hulk side is actually bringing up things while the Superman side is basically saying Superman is more powerful and thats that.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
We've been down this road before though pal. 9/10 times a Supes fan
provides a scan demonstrating Supermans physical strength, then the
opposition normally goes into explicit detail as to why it's not his actual
strength, but the inertia of flight lifting the object.

And regarding the light speed speed-blitz, you won't find one specifically
stating he's blitzing at light speed, but you could be provided with scans
of Superman blitzing various characters, all of which are as fast, or
faster then Hulk, Supes doesn't need light speed reflexes to dodge
a physical onslaught from the Hulk, he wouldn't even need 1/100th
light speed to do this.
IMO a simple speed blitz scan would be sufficient evidence against
Hulk with this strategy simply because it's common knowledge that
Hulk doesn't have superspeed.

Well during the wwh arc it did state that wwh speed was increased to unknown level. Thats the only way he defeated the king on the planet because in there 1st encounter wwh was to slow and then on there next encounter he admitted that hulk speed increased and thats how hulk ended up defeating him.

I would still love to see this scan of superman blitzing at light speed.

Originally posted by Juntai
Fact is, he doesn't need to go lightspeed per-se, or are we denying the fact that Superman is vastly faster than Hulk, and has often been shown to be able to move at speeds comparable and sometimes faster characters are unable to react to?

Funny, I said this earlier in the thread.

I'll even give an example;

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/week01-2000-Superman_V2-152-04.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/week01-2000-Superman_V2-152-05.jpg

Superman doesnt kill but he needny worry as he cant kill WW Hulk imo.

Originally posted by The Pict
No, Horrorwolf keeps saying I'm wrong with no evidence, so for him to be right [b]he has to prove me wrong.

It's not an interpretation it's clear proof, and saying Hulk has superspeed shows that you don't know what Hulk's powers are (I'm sure you do, I'm just saying that's the genral interpretation of that statement) or worse that you read the comic and have no grasp of what actually happened within it. Which I'm sure is Horrorwolf's problem. [/B]

See it goes like this, if you want to say that Hulk goes down in the first seconds from Supes then here's the evidence you're going to need to produce to support your claim...

1. A scan indicating the "in character" blitzing speed of Supes against characters who's reflexes are equal to or superior to Hulk's.
2. A scan indicating just how effective Superman level punches are against someone with WWH's level of durability.

Then if your opponents then want to claim that Hulk can react they're going to have to produce...

1. A scan of Hulk reacting to someone moving as quickly as the Supes blitz that YOU provided.
2. Scan's indicating that Hulk can whether punches from someone with Superman level strength until he DOES manage to tag Supes...

...and then the process just goes back and forth with each of you countering the other's points with proof until someone lacks proof to support their claims(that person's typically the loser of the debate).

Originally posted by quanchi112

The Hulk side is actually bringing up things while the Superman side is basically saying Superman is more powerful and thats that.

The Hulk side includes horrowolf who just makes things up even when it's pointed out that they weren't actually contained in the comic. He even went on to say that Sentry HAD to be using his "calming abilities" because he had them in his powerset and that he HAD to be using them because Reed couldn't replicate them.

And we are bringing up decent evidence against Hulk which is being soundly ignored.