Superman Vs WWH (Definitive, Official, One and only thread)

Originally posted by -Pr-
he's reacted (FC final issue) and processed information (up, up and away) at light speed. he's made course corrections while flying at multiple times the speed of light (countdown).

moving half as fast as he has shown to be able to move wouldnt be a problem...

facepalm

prove any of that. i'll be waiting.

Why are you still using final crisis when even DARKSEID seen the flash. Flash was running out of a teleporter, there was no speed indicated on how fast he was going. Superman turns around and see him coming out of the teleporter, along with darkseid. Darkseid shoot a beam at the flash and flash kicks his speed up by a huge notch hitting light speed (he even say this). Theres nothing suggesting that flash was going light speed when superman or darkseid seen him, you read a little to much into comics.

From my knowledge of superman hitting light speed; all I'm going to say is that multiple of writers has stated that he cant go that fast in earths atmosphere. Hell superman during his training with mongul admitted that earth atmosphere take its toll on his powers. 😕

Didnt superman and flash recently race and flash left superman in the dust telling him that he was holding back and kicked it up to the speed of light. 😕

What is it that you want me to prove about what I said regarding hulk. Everything that I said about wwh is true and honestly, if you use superman RECENT strength feats and match it to wwh, wwh pretty much seemed stronger.

Originally posted by The Nuul
carver9 = facepalm

Tell me what was wrong with my post and dont say everything, break it down for me please.

Without bfring hulk takes this all day.

If anything, supes heat vision would increase hulks powers unless everyone forgot about radiation and heat powering wwh. It was mentioned throughout the arc.

please tell me where this is said Issue Number and Page
if heat amps him why wasn't Human Torch amping him and not every type of radiation amps him X-Ray (U-Foes) used Radiation to bring him down as well as the Satelittes that brought down Worldbreaker Hulk

Ice breath aint doing sh** to the hulk.

possibly but still arguable (not disagreeing with you now)

Superman is going to have to fight the hulk and thats where the losing begins. Hes fighting someone that is stronger, has better durability and is basically a better fighter.

Supes durabilty is better Hulk just got an EXTREME HF

Superman is fast but he's not untouchable, no matter what mood you put him in. In a fight, WWH would crush superman. With bfring on superman would get a high majority, maybe a 10/10.

you kinda contradicting yourself, if Hulk would physical be able to crush him and Supes can't avoid being grabbed by Hulk how should he be able to BFR him?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
please tell me where this is said Issue Number and Page
if heat amps him why wasn't Human Torch amping him and not every type of radiation amps him X-Ray (U-Foes) used Radiation to bring him down as well as the Satelittes that brought down Worldbreaker Hulk

possibly but still arguable (not disagreeing with you now)

Supes durabilty is better Hulk just got an EXTREME HF

you kinda contradicting yourself, if Hulk would physical be able to crush him and Supes can't avoid being grabbed by Hulk how should he be able to BFR him?

Here ya go with the amp, it was stated again and I'll find the scan for you.

Hulk being amped by a bomb.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkdurability.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkdurability1.jpg

And heat messing with WWH, unlikely. Torch went nova on his ass and he just stood there and took it unharmed and wasnt even fased.
http://img125.imagevenue.com/view.php?image=95401_AA-WWH02-020-21_122_619lo.jpg#
http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=95410_AA-WWH02-022_122_800lo.jpg
http://img148.imagevenue.com/view.php?image=95422_AA-WWH02-023_122_1084lo.jpg

And lets not even bring up all the heat sentry was dishing out during his fight with hulk.

You misunderstood my post, I specifically gave superman a 10/10 due to bfring. Without bfring he would get shit stomped. I know for a fact that superman could fly in and throw hulk a couple of miles if he wanted too. If this was a fight where superman had to do more than just bfring the opponent, he would lose, thats my opinion though.

Here goes more proof of nukes (that contains radiation and heat) would make hulk stronger. Hell they even say that poisons would make him stronger also.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkimmunity.jpg

Another scan showing that nukes would make him stronger (heat and radiation).
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkimmunetonukes.jpg

Here goes more proof of nukes (that contains radiation and heat) would make hulk stronger. Hell they even say that poisons would make him stronger also. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...ulkimmunity.jpg

Another scan showing that nukes would make him stronger (heat and radiation). http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...munetonukes.jpg

Here ya go with the amp, it was stated again and I'll find the scan for you. Hulk being amped by a bomb. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...kdurability.jpg http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...durability1.jpg

And heat messing with WWH, unlikely. Torch went nova on his ass and he just stood there and took it unharmed and wasnt even fased. http://img125.imagevenue.com/view.p..._122_619lo.jpg# http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php...2_122_800lo.jpg http://img148.imagevenue.com/view.p..._122_1084lo.jpg

And lets not even bring up all the heat sentry was dishing out during his fight with hulk.

You seem to be contradicting yourself. You said that heat increase the strength of Hulk, and I quote you, "Here goes more proof of nukes (that contains radiation and heat'
Yet, Lighting doesn't increase his strength, nor does the heat that HT used on Hulk. So why are you contradicting yourself??

You misunderstood my post, I specifically gave superman a 10/10 due to bfring. Without bfring he would get shit stomped. I know for a fact that superman could fly in and throw hulk a couple of miles if he wanted too. If this was a fight where superman had to do more than just bfring the opponent, he would lose, thats my opinion though

Why are you still using final crisis when even DARKSEID seen the flash. Flash was running out of a teleporter, there was no speed indicated on how fast he was going.

. Theres nothing suggesting that flash was going light speed when superman or darkseid seen him, you read a little to much into comics.

From my knowledge of superman hitting light speed; all I'm going to say is that multiple of writers has stated that he cant go that fast in earths atmosphere. Hell superman during his training with mongul admitted that earth atmosphere take its toll on his powers. confused

Didnt superman and flash recently race and flash left superman in the dust telling him that he was holding back and kicked it up to the speed of light

What is it that you want me to prove about what I said regarding hulk. Everything that I said about wwh is true and honestly, if you use superman RECENT strength feats and match it to wwh, wwh pretty much seemed stronger.

Originally posted by carver9
Here ya go with the amp, it was stated again and I'll find the scan for you.

Hulk being amped by a bomb.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkdurability.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkdurability1.jpg

that's not the same as beeing amped by heat IIRC Bruce Banner was transformed into the Hulk by such a bomb so of course he absorbs THIS KIND of energys but not every type of radiation and heat. If HEAT would amp him he could do the same as supe with the sun and take a bath in a volcano or something.

And heat messing with WWH, unlikely. Torch went nova on his ass and he just stood there and took it unharmed and wasnt even fased.

And lets not even bring up all the heat sentry was dishing out during his fight with hulk.

I'm not familiar with the maximum heat output of HT or Superman
so I can't compare them the only things I think to remeber is that HT's Nova is as hot as the sun and Supes heat vision can be hotter than anything measureable on earth and he can use his HV tactical for let's say burn Hulk eyes for an advantage.

You misunderstood my post, I specifically gave superman a 10/10 due to bfring. Without bfring he would get shit stomped. I know for a fact that superman could fly in and throw hulk a couple of miles if he wanted too. If this was a fight where superman had to do more than just bfring the opponent, he would lose, thats my opinion though.

I understood but you said Hulk would crush him physical and Supes can't be that fast to hit/grab Hulk without getting hit himself, so how do you think Supes would BFR Hulk then? You gave him "maybe 10/10" but by the stuff you said before how should he do it? I'm curios really

Originally posted by Parmaniac
that's not the same as beeing amped by heat IIRC Bruce Banner was transformed into the Hulk by such a bomb so of course he absorbs THIS KIND of energys but not every type of radiation and heat. If HEAT would amp him he could do the same as supe with the sun and take a bath in a volcano or something.

I'm not familiar with the maximum heat output of HT or Superman
so I can't compare them the only things I think to remeber is that HT's Nova is as hot as the sun and Supes heat vision can be hotter than anything measureable on earth and he can use his HV tactical for let's say burn Hulk eyes for an advantage.

I understood but you said Hulk would crush him physical and Supes can't be that fast to hit/grab Hulk without getting hit himself, so how do you think Supes would BFR Hulk then? You gave him "maybe 10/10" but by the stuff you said before how should he do it? I'm curios really

No question heat vison would work on hulk, Hell Gladiator did it to hulk dircetly to the just and t took quite a few panels to heal from it. However this was a direct blast to hulks chest and glad was trying to BFR Hulk and it didn't work. The heat vison to the eyes would more they likely do some major damage

Everytime Carver thinks, a 5 year old's brain shuts down.

He's like a real life Phoenix Force.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yeah, there is. You just didn't understand it

What kind of statement is this? Superman can move at the Speed of Light anywhere

Superman can go lightspeed anywhere. Though, he chooses not do to in on earth because it can destroy the atmosphere. It has nothing to do with his limitation. He never told that to Mongul. The only thing he believed was that he couldn't see far because of Earth's atmosphere, but he was proven wrong when Superman really did try.

They were running. Superman can't run fast, he flies fast. 2 different things.

Funny, there are only a few people who think that. And they talk out of their ass. I ask for prove and nobody can seem to prove it.

Didnt read what 😕 It was never stated that flash came out of the portal going light speed. He achieved light speed at the moment darkseid attacked him. Again darkseid seen flash along with supes so you are basically saying that darkseid reflexes and site is also at the speed of light. Now if you agree with this then why didnt darkseid guard himself against a blitz coming from that same flash going light speed. 🙁

Superman cant achieve light speed ANYWHERE. All of his light speed showings are in space. Hell, his last light speed showing the author made it plain and clear that he could only do it in space.

I understand that he couldnt see far but I could have sworn that supes stated that earth atmosphere takes a toll on his powers, I could be wrong but the atmosphere affecting his powers, thats pretty much plain and clear. Only fans scream out that supes can fight at light speed when the only true showing of his max speed during combat was that of the speed of sound (when he was creating sonic booms with his punches). Now if anyone can show me a feat surpassing that I would love to see it.

How about you post a scan of superman strength feat and I'll post one. Hell if you want, I'll post the first scan and I would love for you to match it and I'm not talking about classic feats, I want us to use up to date strength feats.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Everytime Carver thinks, a 5 year old's brain shuts down.

He's like a real life Phoenix Force.

LOL, good one, now tell me what I said wrong in my post.

Originally posted by carver9
Why are you still using final crisis when even DARKSEID seen the flash. Flash was running out of a teleporter, there was no speed indicated on how fast he was going. Superman turns around and see him coming out of the teleporter, along with darkseid. Darkseid shoot a beam at the flash and flash kicks his speed up by a huge notch hitting light speed (he even say this). Theres nothing suggesting that flash was going light speed when superman or darkseid seen him, you read a little to much into comics.

From my knowledge of superman hitting light speed; all I'm going to say is that multiple of writers has stated that he cant go that fast in earths atmosphere. Hell superman during his training with mongul admitted that earth atmosphere take its toll on his powers. 😕

Didnt superman and flash recently race and flash left superman in the dust telling him that he was holding back and kicked it up to the speed of light. 😕

What is it that you want me to prove about what I said regarding hulk. Everything that I said about wwh is true and honestly, if you use superman RECENT strength feats and match it to wwh, wwh pretty much seemed stronger.

oy vey.

the black racer can fly up to just under the speed of light, meaning the flashes had to be running at the speed of light to escape him. it seems you weren't reading enough of the comics.

no no no no. the atmosphere itself doesn't affect his powers. he chooses not to go at lightspeed inside the atmosphere because of the damage it would cause.

the speed they were running was never stated, iirc. don't make claims if you're not going to back them up.

i asked you because you made the claims without providing proof, and plenty of people don't agree with them.

superman's strength feats only get better and better, so i don't know why you brought that up.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
that's not the same as beeing amped by heat IIRC Bruce Banner was transformed into the Hulk by such a bomb so of course he absorbs THIS KIND of energys but not every type of radiation and heat. If HEAT would amp him he could do the same as supe with the sun and take a bath in a volcano or something.

I'm not familiar with the maximum heat output of HT or Superman
so I can't compare them the only things I think to remeber is that HT's Nova is as hot as the sun and Supes heat vision can be hotter than anything measureable on earth and he can use his HV tactical for let's say burn Hulk eyes for an advantage.

I understood but you said Hulk would crush him physical and Supes can't be that fast to hit/grab Hulk without getting hit himself, so how do you think Supes would BFR Hulk then? You gave him "maybe 10/10" but by the stuff you said before how should he do it? I'm curios really

The bomb that transformed Banner into the hulk wasnt a NUKE, where did you get that from. That bomb that transformed banner had special properties to it that mixed in with his blood. It was stated throughout the arc that bombs couldnt hurt hulk, not special types of bomb, just BOMBS. Nukes consist of radiation and heat, superman heat vision has the same properties. Like I said before, supes better hope he doesnt power the hulk up.

Human torch went NOVA on the hulk and the hulk was unfazed. That thing you brought up about the scientist description of supermans heat, thats hyperbole and even if it wasnt I'm pretty sure it still wouldnt have any kind of impact on the hulk since the hulk has walked through ghost riders hellfire, Sentry's heat attacks, Human torch nova blast, the core of a planet, etc....

Even though I said that supes would get decimated by wwh, I also think that supes could land the first blow, especially with how cocky wwh was. Even though I said that hulk could hit supes, I never said that supes was slow. With that said, superman could easily bfr hulk

Originally posted by -Pr-
oy vey.

the black racer can fly up to just under the speed of light, meaning the flashes had to be running at the speed of light to escape him. it seems you weren't reading enough of the comics.

no no no no. the atmosphere itself doesn't affect his powers. he chooses not to go at lightspeed inside the atmosphere because of the damage it would cause.

the speed they were running was never stated, iirc. don't make claims if you're not going to back them up.

i asked you because you made the claims without providing proof, and plenty of people don't agree with them.

superman's strength feats only get better and better, so i don't know why you brought that up.

Also correct me if i am wroung but isn't Superman's flying speed different then his running speed.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
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Also correct me if i am wroung but isn't Superman's flying speed different then his running speed.

yes, that's been shown on panel anyways.

Originally posted by -Pr-
oy vey.

the black racer can fly up to just under the speed of light, meaning the flashes had to be running at the speed of light to escape him. it seems you weren't reading enough of the comics.

no no no no. the atmosphere itself doesn't affect his powers. he chooses not to go at lightspeed inside the atmosphere because of the damage it would cause.

the speed they were running was never stated, iirc. don't make claims if you're not going to back them up.

i asked you because you made the claims without providing proof, and plenty of people don't agree with them.

superman's strength feats only get better and better, so i don't know why you brought that up.

Like your new sig.

I read the arc but again, a teleporter was opened and supes along with darkseid seen flash run out of it and where was it stated how fast the black racer was chasing flash?

I already know about that one saying that superman brought up about going light speed etc....He has contradicted that saying so much that its crazy. How many times has he created sonic booms by a city, hell the guy fights and destroys city on a normal basis (look at his fight with black adam and his fight with kalibak).

I agree about superman strength feats but I want jlking to post some recent things so that I can match them or surpass them.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
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Also correct me if i am wroung but isn't Superman's flying speed different then his running speed.

Yes, his flying speed is different but how much of a difference, we dont know.

Originally posted by carver9
Like your new sig.

I read the arc but again, a teleporter was opened and supes along with darkseid seen flash run out of it and where was it stated how fast the black racer was chasing flash?

I already know about that one saying that superman brought up about going light speed etc....He has contradicted that saying so much that its crazy. How many times has he created sonic booms by a city, hell the guy fights and destroys city on a normal basis (look at his fight with black adam and his fight with kalibak).

I agree about superman strength feats but I want jlking to post some recent things so that I can match them or surpass them.

barry said it earlier in the arc. flash fact, and such.

yes, he has done that, but he's never done it to the extent that people have gotten killed (bar DOS, but that was hardly his fault). there are instances like the issue where he chases wally where he should be causing sonic booms, and yet there are issues where he states that he won't go above those speeds (not CAN'T, but WON'T) for fear of doing damage. it's inconsistent, but there's no reason given the speeds he's shown in space that would stop him from doing it on earth if he truly wanted to.

Originally posted by -Pr-
barry said it earlier in the arc. flash fact, and such.

yes, he has done that, but he's never done it to the extent that people have gotten killed (bar DOS, but that was hardly his fault). there are instances like the issue where he chases wally where he should be causing sonic booms, and yet there are issues where he states that he won't go above those speeds (not CAN'T, but WON'T) for fear of doing damage. it's inconsistent, but there's no reason given the speeds he's shown in space that would stop him from doing it on earth if he truly wanted to.

We're going in circles. We will never know if he could do it unless he actually does it BUT if we take into consideration everything that has been mentioned about his speed then he cant achieve light speed but honestly we dont go by authors, hyperbole, etc...

Using your logic, thousands of comic book characters can achieve light speed due to space flight. Hell using your logic, Mrs. Marvel can go thousands of times the speed of light. Beta ray bill can go 1000 of times the speed of light. etc...

Answer this question for me, do you think darkseid reflexes and site is at the speed of light?