I don't know
BTW Carver, here is EVEN more.
Throws a spaceship the size of a small moon out of our solar system
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/week05-1994-SupesMOS-30-14.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/week05-1994-SupesMOS-30-15.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/week05-1994-SupesMOS-30-16.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
LOL, Sentry already tried that tactic and almost got his head taken off but if you want to know what could easily prevent that from happening, especially with supes sensative ears, then here ya go.http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkthunderclap.jpg
This one would really mess him up.
http://img165.imageshack.us/i/25795620zi2.jpg/or this one
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkstomp1.jpg
this one
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkstomp.jpg
This one.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkthunderclap4.jpg
I can keep going all day. Once superman is stunned then its pretty much a beating after that.
How will this work on the superman powerset? Hulk will be doing a slow motion thunderclap compared to how fast Superman CAN move, superman will move to a safe distance, or just zip right behind hulk for above him or somthing simple like that. don't you think? Afterall...this is not a PISfilled fight, This is a forum battle with a clever - intellegent use of powerset - Supes. I mean, Supes could fly from earth to the moon in the time it take Hulks hands to come together for the thunder clap. So i don't really see where those scans are viable. Again, we have to assume Supes will be manuvering at his maximum speed throughout the encounter. How will hulk even know what direction to clap?
There is absolutely nothing Superman could do All out or otherwise to kill a Hulk enraged to WWH levels or beyond. NOTHING.
a very low level Savage Hulk, Gray Hulk or lower could easily be KO'd however.
Maestro regenerated back from atoms, and Hulk has had most of his body destroyed and simply regenerated it back time and time again.
Because of Superman's speed and flight, Superman vs Hulk is a stalemate unless Superman tries to go toe to toe in which Superman dies ala Doomsday fashion.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
There is absolutely nothing Superman could do All out or otherwise to kill a Hulk enraged to WWH levels or beyond. NOTHING.a very low level Savage Hulk, Gray Hulk or lower could easily be KO'd however.
Maestro regenerated back from atoms, and Hulk has had most of his body destroyed and simply regenerated it back time and time again.
Because of Superman's speed and flight, Superman vs Hulk is a stalemate unless Superman tries to go toe to toe in which Superman dies ala Doomsday fashion.
So what level of power would it take then, i mean GAWD!! regenerated from atoms? that would mean like only TOAA could beat him. Wowz!
Originally posted by carver9
We're going in circles. We will never know if he could do it unless he actually does it BUT if we take into consideration everything that has been mentioned about his speed then he cant achieve light speed but honestly we dont go by authors, hyperbole, etc...Using your logic, thousands of comic book characters can achieve light speed due to space flight. Hell using your logic, Mrs. Marvel can go thousands of times the speed of light. Beta ray bill can go 1000 of times the speed of light. etc...
Answer this question for me, do you think darkseid reflexes and site is at the speed of light?
you're wrong. we DO know, because he has done it. taking everything in to account only strengthens the argument that he's ftl travelling and around c reflex wise.
nope. if it's on panel, and is consistent then it's ftl according to the rules of the forum.
at the speed of light? possibly. he's fast enough to stop superman from blitzing him, which requires pretty fast reflexes. plus, his finder beams are speed of light, iirc.
Originally posted by carver9
Heat vision isnt hotter, stop saying that until you have some kind of proof besides one scan from some scientist. I can put up a scan where some scientist states that black adam is more powerful than supes, would you agree with it or is it hyperbole.LOL, I understand how long supes been out but the thing is, superman powers fluctuate. I honestly think that he has been depowered recently due to numerous of reasons. Thats why I'm asking you for recent showings because I dont think he has any.
heat vision is hot enough to hurt beings that could survive temperature extremes like the sun, and as yet, it's incalculable.
no, you can't, because your scan has no basis and was twisted to suit your own argument. your black adam scan has about as much weight as the superman scientist one.
what on earth would make you think he's been downgraded? he hasn't been downgarded since 1986.
Originally posted by carver9
Didnt black lightning down those same kryptonians that you are talking about and didnt 7 of the jla go against the entire race of krytonian that was in that area and they had to call in for back up?
only because he made red sun. stop twisting shit.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
If Human Torch had focused his fire like Superman's heat vision, it would've gone straight through Hulk.
probably.
Originally posted by carver9
😆 LOL, that was terrible. Superman is empowered by the sun, of course he can withstand it (even though he has a limit on the amount of time he can stay in the sun).
based on what?
Originally posted by carver9
Superboy prime heat vision>Supermans heat vision> Martian Manhunter heat vision>Super girl heat vision > Power girl heat vision.
not. true. at all.
Originally posted by carver9
I already told you why and the real reason why is because I read in a wizard magazine that supes was suppose to get depowered back to his post crisis levels but we cant go by wizard but from what I have been seeing of him, its pretty much clear that they did that to him.
there hasn't been one showing where he's been depowered. again, what are you basing it on?
Originally posted by carver9
You can use feats from diana if you want to since her and supes are equals in the strength dept.
no basis for that whatsoever.
Originally posted by carver9
The point is yes, everyone that I named does have a degree of speed but they dont fight at the caliber that you're putting them at (which is flash like or dbz like). I agree that they would land the first lick, hell, they could possibly land the first 3 licks but there is nothing to suggest that Hulk wouldnt be able to retaliate and hit them back.
if you'd read superman comics as much as you claim, you'd know that when he wants to, he DOES fight at that level.
Originally posted by carver9
Can you do me a favor, show me that scan of Black adam, Superman, or Wonder woman fighting at light speed. No, I can do better than that, show me a scan of superman fighting BEYOND the speed of sound.I'll be waiting.
you've been shown them before. your refusal to accept them isn't our fault.
Originally posted by carver9
Show me this superman moving a planet by himself under a red sun (which is still a flight, pull, durability feat).
no, it isn't, and you can't prove it. you have no proof whatsoever that he needs thrust provided by flying. me pushing or pulling a large crate isn't a durability feat. it's strength.
Originally posted by carver9
Any statement that is said but not shown is hyperbole. How about this Spire, I know how much you hate dbz (know this doesnt belong here but I want to use your arguments against you). In dragonball z it was stated that Frieza is a universe buster, is that true. It was said more than once. It was said twice by goku and one time by king ki.
pity you can't apply the same logic to the scans you posted.
ugh. what have i done... facepalm
Originally posted by -Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
Superboy prime heat vision>Supermans heat vision> Martian Manhunter heat vision>Super girl heat vision > Power girl heat visionnot. true. at all. facepalm
In this: "Superboy prime heat vision>Supermans heat vision", I agree with him to be honest, IDK about the others
Originally posted by Parmaniac
In this: "Superboy prime heat vision>Supermans heat vision", I agree with him to be honest, IDK about the others
i honestly don't think there's ever been any conclusive indication that it is. most kryptonians are able to puncture highly durable skin with heat vision (even each other).
Originally posted by -Pr-
i honestly don't think there's ever been any conclusive indication that it is. most kryptonians are able to puncture highly durable skin with heat vision (even each other).
Hm well I don't know I'm not really a Supe fan but I always saw Prime as an insane Supe on steroids that he's just "stronger" in every catergory without the kryptonite weakness
http://www.geocities.com/cain_marko_ny/site_pics/WWH-Xmen3b.jpg
this is your super fast hulk that can match speedsters 😆
now imagine superman doing that only 100 times faster blow after blow
Originally posted by -Pr-heat vision is hot enough to hurt beings that could survive temperature extremes like the sun, and as yet, it's incalculable.
Incalcuable?
Originally posted by mummy_guy
http://www.geocities.com/cain_marko_ny/site_pics/WWH-Xmen3b.jpgthis is your super fast hulk that can match speedsters 😆
now imagine superman doing that only 100 times faster blow after blow
Well he negated Sentrys speed attack easily, and its possible he can move his limbs at FTL speeds.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Hm well I don't know I'm not really a Supe fan but I always saw Prime as an insane Supe on steroids that he's just "stronger" in every catergory without the kryptonite weakness
ah. i belong to this:
Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm of opinion that if Superman goes in the state of mind he did when he confronted the Imperiex Probes alongside Doomsday, he could match Superboy Prime, given the increase in power he received during that state and how he has performed against Superboy Prime up until now (Prime was most definitley superior, but I don't think it's something Superman couldn't cover when going all-out).But maybe that's just me. ermm
school of thought.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Incalcuable?Well he negated Sentrys speed attack easily, and its possible he can move his limbs at FTL speeds.
as in, no upper limit has been shown, so we have no way of knowing just how hot it can be.
you saying sentry is as fast as superman?
Originally posted by -Pr-as in, no upper limit has been shown, so we have no way of knowing just how hot it can be.
Ah well thats the same as Hulk's strength.
Originally posted by -Pr-
you saying sentry is as fast as superman?
No but hes comparable in speed, but as we discussed Superman has better speed feats.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneWell he negated Sentrys speed attack easily, and its possible he can move his limbs at FTL speeds.
was sentry stated as moving the fastest he possibly could during that fight? Or was it just his attempt to stay faster than hulk? because we have seen how fast superman can move.
Was sentry close to that?
Speculate.
Because thats the only way the scenerios can ever be compared. The Superman in this fight, will be at his maximum effective speed for as long as he can maintain it , in this forum fight. If your telling me hulk hang with Sentry doing the same, then ok, pls show a scan of actual stated speeds.
If you're saying Hulk can hang with supes maximum effective speed based on the fact, Sentry was just trying to be faster and have a poor mans go at an attempted blitz, then the comparison is not viable.
Originally posted by Juk3n
was sentry stated as moving the fastest he possibly could during that fight? Or was it just his attempt to stay faster than hulk? because we have seen how fast superman can move.Was sentry close to that?
Speculate.
Because thats the only way the scenerios can ever be compared. The Superman in this fight, will be at his maximum effective speed for as long as he can maintain it , in this forum fight. If your telling me hulk hang with Sentry doing the same, then ok, pls show a scan of actual stated speeds.
If you're saying Hulk can hang with supes maximum effective speed based on the fact, Sentry was just trying to be faster and have a poor mans go at an attempted blitz, then the comparison is not viable.
No but the context of the situation was that he was there to defeat Hulk, he also stated that Hulk was one of the few people he could go all out against. It may not have been his fastest speed but it most likely was on the upper levels. Im not speculating stop being a jerk.
Also bear in mind that WWH easily stopped him when he stopped messing around. Hes also used his strength on panel to move his limbs at near FTL speed. He was in a calm state and based on what he did he could move his limbs at FTL.
Looking at the evidence WWH isn't going to be defenceless against a Speed attack.
