Originally posted by batmanfan136
also i thought that begins did a lot better at Bruce's org in then Batman 89 were the death of Bruce's parents was bascily just put in Burton's to make it seem like Batman hates Joker more were Begin plays how it should be one of the definning moments that effected Batman's career
True, but B89's Wayne death scene was more iconic... It was all dream like, and the sounds were all eerie and slowed down...
Originally posted by batmanfan136
But Michael Keaton did ?
Keaton sucked as Batman.He acted nothing at all like Bruce Wayne.He copied Chris Reeves performance from Superman acting like a goofy dork as Bruce Wayne saying things like -Yeah this time Im sure Im Bruce Wayne,but macho and cool as Batman.Thats not Bruce Wayne at all.Bruce Wayne is suave and cool with the women.
Bale portrayed him perfectly.Keaton was a good Batman but he was a horrible Bruce Wayne.Not only did he not even come close to looking the part but acted NOTHING at all like him either, where Bale is easily by far the best Batman cause he not only looked the part and acted like Bruce Wayne,.he was great as BOTH Bruce Wayne AND Batman as well.I understand some people didnt care for his line delivery as Batman and thats fine, but to many fans,that screams Batman the way he did it.
No problem and thank you also.I was also trying to say earlier but couldn't finish the post cause my computer went on the fritz earlier,that yeah that's exactly the same way I feel also.I got nothing against Keaton as an actor either,its just I hated him in the role of Batman because he was miscast in it since he looked NOTHING like the character.It doesn't matter how great of an actor you are,if you don't even come close to looking the part,you bring no credibility to the role.Lawrence Olivia is considered the greatest actor of all time by just about everybody in show business,but just because he is a great actor,you wouldn't want to cast him in the role of Batman either cause like i said,doesn't matter if he is the greatest actor of all time,he would bring no credibility to the role because he looks nothing like the character.Keaton doesn't either and he was no exception to the rule.
Yeah that's the misconception that some of the Burton batman fans have when you criticise Keaton as Batman and Burton for his work on the movie is they automatically assume you hate Keaton as an actor which is far from the case.I think Keaton is a very good actor and loved him in some of the movies he has been in.The others he was well cast in its just he was horribly miscast and wrong for the role of Bruce Wayne.Same with Burton,I don't hate Burton as a director,I just hate him for what he did to the Batman movies.He has made some good films in the past before,but Batman is not one of them.
Wow I'm thinking you're gonna hate Sam Jackson as Nick Fury then cuz he looks nothing like him. And to me Aaron Eckhart looks nothing like any incarnations of Two Face that I've seen in the comics but I still believe him as Two Face. The problem for me with Keaton's Bruce was that Burton did a little re imagining and tried to make him quirky to make it more believable that he could dress up as a bat. But he missed the point that the thing is that Bruce Wayne is supposed to have the opposite effect...his personality is supposed to make it hard to believe he'd be Batman. Other than that I had no problem buying Keaton.
[QUOTE=10733773]Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
[B](Wow I'm thinking you're gonna hate Sam Jackson as Nick Fury then cuz he looks nothing like him. And to me Aaron Eckhart looks nothing like any incarnations of Two Face that I've seen in the comics but I still believe him as Two Face. )
See i still think that Eckhart is going to be good just cause from the previews he looks like he captures Harvey dent. And on the Sam Jackson as Nick Fury I'm a fan of the ultimates so i didn't care which version they used
First, i preffer the classic nick fury , not the ultimates sam jackson. And Echkart looks more like dent than billy dee williams or tommy lee jones, for sure.
Second: begins is the superior movie, and the only true batman movie for the moment, until the dark knight will be released. It had all the things that a batman movie should have: a great story, great direction, a great cast, loyal to the spirit of the comic, lots of action, etc.
The first two batman movies were horrible, i only liked both girls kim basinguer and michelle pfeiffer. the movies were boring, unloyal, stupid, bad acting, bad dialogue, keaton was terrible as bruce wayne and didnt look the part, jack was playing himself with joker costume and didnt look the part, the penguin was stupid and devito was horrible,etc. Totally awful, as awful as the schumacher movies. Only liked the two girls, michael gough as alfred, the danny elfman's music and the batmobile. the rest was crap.
One thing that i loved in the new franchise started by begins is that Chris Nolan is keeping the spirt of the comic and the characters and casting so well the parts. And at the same time, doing a great movie with a great story, great dialogue and great performances. Christian Bale is the one and only batman and bruce wayne, he nailed both parts . Heat Ledger seems like a perfect joker in the trailers. Michael Caine was a great alfred, gary oldman the same with gordon, morgan freeman the same with lucius fox. Liam Neeson, tom wilkinson and cillian murphy were great. Aaron ekchart looks pretty good in both parts of harvey dent/ two face. I respect both tim burton as a director and michael keaton as an actor, i loved many of their works in another movies. But they did it wrong in the batman movies and just their own thing. Nolan and Bale are doing it in the right way.
For all of this, yes, batman begins is the totally superior movie.
Rachel Dawes alone, and the dryness for me makes Batman Begins a bit of a misfire in some sense.
And I don't see how Jack Nicholson was playing himself as I've never seen him stab anyone with a feather in real life.
And I personally will always regret that I never got to see Billy Dee Williams as Two Face
Originally posted by bakerboy
First, i preffer the classic nick fury , not the ultimates sam jackson. And Echkart looks more like dent than billy dee williams or tommy lee jones, for sure.Second: begins is the superior movie, and the only true batman movie for the moment, until the dark knight will be released. It had all the things that a batman movie should have: a great story, great direction, a great cast, loyal to the spirit of the comic, lots of action, etc.
The first two batman movies were horrible, i only liked both girls kim basinguer and michelle pfeiffer. the movies were boring, unloyal, stupid, bad acting, bad dialogue, keaton was terrible as bruce wayne and didnt look the part, jack was playing himself with joker costume and didnt look the part, the penguin was stupid and devito was horrible,etc. Totally awful, as awful as the schumacher movies. Only liked the two girls, michael gough as alfred, the danny elfman's music and the batmobile. the rest was crap.
One thing that i loved in the new franchise started by begins is that Chris Nolan is keeping the spirt of the comic and the characters and casting so well the parts. And at the same time, doing a great movie with a great story, great dialogue and great performances. Christian Bale is the one and only batman and bruce wayne, he nailed both parts . Heat Ledger seems like a perfect joker in the trailers. Michael Caine was a great alfred, gary oldman the same with gordon, morgan freeman the same with lucius fox. Liam Neeson, tom wilkinson and cillian murphy were great. Aaron ekchart looks pretty good in both parts of harvey dent/ two face. I respect both tim burton as a director and michael keaton as an actor, i loved many of their works in another movies. But they did it wrong in the batman movies and just their own thing. Nolan and Bale are doing it in the right way.
For all of this, yes, batman begins is the totally superior movie.
👆 👆 exactly.well said.Like you and space monkey said so well,The Burton Batman movies are a disgrace to his character and Batman Returns sucked even worse than the first one did which I did not think would be possible.Like Space Monkey said so well,the only redeeeming thing about Batman Returns is Michelle in a catwoman outfit. 😄