Originally posted by dadudemon
You mean "meter stick".False. The "self" has multiple manifestions, is tied to multiple systems, and has a direct affect on many different systems that we have narrowed down with psychological titles (I'm sure inimalist could give us a bunch). Narrowing it down to just reward and punishment mechnisms (which include hormones, and cell site receptors) is a gross and incorrect oversimplification.
Also, if it is all an illusion, that makes us all p-zombies? Well, that would explain your convoluted attempt at claiming a soul is not necessary for human-like AI.
Instead, you should spend more time being direct with your words, learning more about actual medical science instead of memes and qualia, and stop trying to be so mystical sounding.
All you're is a machine, all I'm is a machine, cells are systems composed of molecular machines. I've taken both molecular biology courses, as well as advanced chemistry courses. DEEP down it is all machinery.
You're lying, and it's "AGI" researcher.
I be|lie not.
If you had done that, you wouldn't be talking about it on a movie message board, would you? There are much better places to reveal such information. I think you know this. So why would you say something like that here?
I don't like prizes, nor criticism from other pedantic researchers, I work on my own terms, and on my own rules, I care not for what others say. But I will not stand lesser minds with less knowledge of this world questioning me, unless it is in places such as this.
Again with the random words. We are not in a sea of entropy. We are in a sea of order. As times goes by, entropy will increase. Right now, our universe is very young. You can't go on about matter humans machines functions of matter and then call them elements in an entropic system. True, that it serves as a contrastment to further your point...but no really. You can't allude to to deity, even if unintended, when you are making a point for the absence of the soul. Order in chaos is the argument of the theists. Capisce?
More mysticism, I see. You could come off more mystical if you would have said, "organized chaos in the primordial soups of evolution." It would have been a nice metaphor for the future of AI and a representation of the literal origins of organic life.
Also, there's a flaw in your retrogression flow: These artificial machines you speak of...the would be created by ORGANIC machines and not simpler machines. The primordial soup of machines will occur in a lab among people you alluded to as p-zombies. Man, it feels like I'm telling you that the Easter bunny isn't real.
No, everything is a sea of entropy.
Stop just throwing words together to sound mystical. You can't, basically, claim that the soul doesn't exit, humans are p-zombies, the universe is entropic, and then say things like "qualia of time" and "mathematical structure and state". No moment in time is without mathematical structure and state. In fact, all systems, regardless of time stamps given (again, qualia assignment). Systems with an infinite amount of time assigned to them are still mathematically assignable. (So as to not sound mystical, I'm talking about going beyond the simple 4 dimensions.)"the statistical relationship that exists between moments"? What type of statistics are you running on time that you have encapsulated and measured? Just to throw a wrench into you lab work, did you forget about he Heisenberg uncertainty principle?
God|Planck units are real, anything less than some or more than some does not make sense. The universe is finite and moments exists, anything less than a moment makes no sense and is nonsensical. I also have advanced physics courses under my belt.
Originally posted by MindshipYou're all dolls, and no different than them you only have more complex innards|springs leading to more complex behavior. Qualia shouldn't even exist from a mechanistic point of view, somehow the make-belief shizzat actually works... Like the relationship between a graph and an equation, somehow there is a relationship between representations and conscious states. The magic comes from the sort of spring you use, when it comes to information, there's a very special kind of info-spring you use.
En Sabah Nur X, how might one best explain what you understand to a child?
The key to intelligence is realizing that to any smaller neural network within the brain, any other network is like a chinese room, and even its workings are like a chinese rooms to others... intelligence lies in universal translation algorithm. The ability to translate what happens in vision to what happens in hearing to what happens in smelling to what happens in thinking to what should be done through actions.
I should also add that like insect flight, once thought theoretically impossible by mathematicians, mathematicians will tell you there is no set of rules that can prove theorems, yet the cells in a a mathematician say otherwise by following them. A collection of brains, or a community of mathematicians is also more efficient than a lone mathematician... thus the algo is highly parallelizable. There are also people that will tell you that a universal translator algorithm cannot exist... yet the brain is there, and it can in theory learn any language and translate to any other as faithfully as is possible.
Originally posted by Mindship
Cool. Thanks.
We have to also remember that the input to the eye never repeats, the input layer is fish-eye like, with different areas having less or more number of receptors(e.g. fovea), due to the shape of the eye. Given that the number of neural spikes is different even in response to exactly the same stimuli, anything coming from neurons receiving stuff from sensory receptors is also random and never exactly the same.
You have to take seemingly random data that is still statistically connected in terms of spatial(coincidence) and temporal*(sequence detection) but the temporal element can vary, thus a sequence can occur faster or slower and you have to be able to detect sequences of coincidences(not even exact coincidences) independent of speed at which they occur... and then throw them in a likeliest-category and move it to higher ups(networks) which will do exactly the same. Memory will guide behavior based on past behavior and results, thus eventually from sensory-receiving neurons, to higher function neurons, to action-enacting neurons.
I call the algo, the universal translator algo, I.D.E.A. The intelligent dynamic evolutionary algorithm.
I would add, that the critical dev. window in babies expands in response to random|noise until it feeds a certain number of logic-categories and the circuit saturates in terms of categories.
Lack of input leads to a closing of the dev. window without adequate wiring leading to serious problems.
Input competes, and likeliest-categories compete until the external based(*e.g. in language chinese, japanese, english, etc.) categories are used. Obviously in vision given a random natural environment there will be agreement, while on language it will be area|nation dependent.
I would add, that the critical dev. window in babies expands in response to random|noise until it feeds a certain number of logic-categories and the circuit saturates in terms of categories.
When I say expands, I mean in response to background noise, in addition to normal parent language around them... obviously it would make no sense for them to craft categories based on random noise solely... but random noise creates artificial competition against language, and leads to messy input. In a way real world input always has a certain level of messyness or randomness in it... you can't predict the environment and what it'll require of you, exactly.
Originally posted by Mindship
This gonna have to be one damn smart child.
In theory I could fall dead tomorrow*(accident, murder, natural disaster, brain trauma|hemorrhage, poisoning in food|water|beverage, etc.), and all that would be left would be these posts and my blog(I could also end up in a coma, mentally-handicapped, jailed despite being innocent, etc). So that is why I try to leave enough for others to continue this|my work, in case I cannot, for my time, as I am, comes to leave the world.
My duty is the acceleration of the arrival of AGI| GAI, irregardless of whether I live to see the outcome or not.
Originally posted by En Sabah Nur XYou're a real ray of sunshine, ain'tcha. 😉
In theory I could fall dead tomorrow*(accident, murder, natural disaster, brain trauma|hemorrhage, poisoning in food|water|beverage, etc.), and all that would be left would be these posts and my blog(I could also end up in a coma, mentally-handicapped, jailed despite being innocent, etc). .
Originally posted by En Sabah Nur XUnderstood. I was just hoping for, say, 50 words or less.
So that is why I try to leave enough for others to continue this|my work, in case I cannot, for my time, as I am, comes to leave the world.
Originally posted by Mindship
You're a real ray of sunshine, ain'tcha. 😉Understood. I was just hoping for, say, 50 words or less.
Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X41. Much obligued.
Stack coincidence detection layers, remember it must be able to categorize things even with imprecise coincidences, and sequence(sequence of coincidences) detection layers... put true random number generators all around to add variability(but don't forget everything has to be synched.).
Originally posted by Deja~vu
Someone is suffering for a state of Grandeur. This is also know as Narcissism.
If you're referring to me, it is a result of my search for meaning in a seemingly meaningless world of ordinary things. By searching for the extraordinary I seeked to distinguish my self from the ordinary.
My evaluation of myself is that I'm an everyday man, and despite working in the most important area of all, I still largely depend upon others for my dreams to become a reality.
Originally posted by En Sabah Nur XWhat is the most important area of all?
If you're referring to me, it is a result of my search for meaning in a seemingly meaningless world of ordinary things. By searching for the extraordinary I seeked to distinguish my self from the ordinary.My evaluation of myself is that I'm an everyday man, and despite working in the most important area of all, I still largely depend upon others for my dreams to become a reality.
Originally posted by Bardock42
What is the most important area of all?
The mind is king of all that it surveys, without consciousness the universe might as well not exist, consciousness gives meaning to existence, without it it is all meaningless. The nature of mind, of all possible minds, and of consciousness is the most important area of all, as it defines how a chunk of thinking meat|jelly is able to grasp reality and give it meaning.
It is also the most important area, because it is the light, the hope of a better tomorrow, a solution that will solve all our problems, artificial general intelligence is the difference between a better and ideal world, and a ruthlless barbaric world, a dictatorship or worse a loss of technological progress through nuclear or biological warfare.
Originally posted by En Sabah Nur XThought you'd like this...
...how a chunk of thinking meat|jelly is able to grasp reality and give it meaning.