Originally posted by inimalist
However, there is nothing special about emotions that would make them any harder to simulate than any other faculty of the mind.
But what about "monoamine neurotransmitters"?
You know...saturation of all sorts of receptors that drive our emotions, subconscious desires, and our actions?(love n'stuff) I guess that could all be simulated, like I've indicated in my post...
But still, we need all of that to be human.
Originally posted by dadudemon
But what about "monoamine neurotransmitters"?You know...saturation of all sorts of receptors that drive our emotions, subconscious desires, and our actions?(love n'stuff) I guess that could all be simulated, like I've indicated in my post...
But still, we need all of that to be human.
I think it is foolish to try and describe humanity by the quality of their subjective experiences.
Humanity is a species, and as such, has a strictly biological definition. The conscious experience of what it is to be human is different for all people.
Regardless of what a person experiences subjectively, should they maintain the biology that falls in line with that which is defined as human, they are human. No matter how exactly another being's conscious state matches the human experience, should they not have the biology, they aren't human.
Also, with regards to emotions, I would speculate against any specific neurotransmitter and say you should look at the role of the amygdala in information processing. But, put simply, so long as emotions are based on the interactions of physical phenomena, there is no hypothetical reason why we shouldn't be able to simulate them.
Originally posted by inimalist
I think it is foolish to try and describe humanity by the quality of their subjective experiences.
Agreed. We are not the sum of our memories, the interpretation of those memories, the product of environment as coupled with the interpretation of memories, etc. It is a holistic combination of all.
Originally posted by inimalist
Humanity is a species, and as such, has a strictly biological definition. The conscious experience of what it is to be human is different for all people.
Originally posted by inimalist
Regardless of what a person experiences subjectively, should they maintain the biology that falls in line with that which is defined as human, they are human. No matter how exactly another being's conscious state matches the human experience, should they not have the biology, they aren't human.
I agree, I think. I agree that to be human, it means literally the biological organism. Would "synthetic human" be kosher to you?
Originally posted by inimalist
Also, with regards to emotions, I would speculate against any specific neurotransmitter and say you should look at the role of the amygdala in information processing. But, put simply, so long as emotions are based on the interactions of physical phenomena, there is no hypothetical reason why we shouldn't be able to simulate them.
Agreed. Which was my point about it. It isn't as simple as throwing our "sync cording*" into androids and gynoids. It wouldn't be us. There'd have to be a calibration to make it "us" again. Then we could throw that "sync cording" into a biological form. If no human could tell the difference then I don't see a problem.
*"7 Days", with Ahhhhhhhnold.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Agreed. We are not the sum of our memories, the interpretation of those memories, the product of environment as coupled with the interpretation of memories, etc. It is a holistic combination of all.
indeed, however, the "we" that we are is in no way related to the biology that makes us "human".
Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree, I think. I agree that to be human, it means literally the biological organism. Would "synthetic human" be kosher to you?
I don't think "human" is that important when discussing morality...
or are you asking what i would call a robot with the mind of a person downloaded into it? I don't know, not something I'm overly concerned with. Technically, it would be a machine. I don't know if robot qualifies, but these things are fairly simple to determine without needing to talk about emotions and the like. The biological human is not defined by the ability to feel emotions.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Agreed. Which was my point about it. It isn't as simple as throwing our "sync cording*" into androids and gynoids. It wouldn't be us. There'd have to be a calibration to make it "us" again. Then we could throw that "sync cording" into a biological form. If no human could tell the difference then I don't see a problem.*"7 Days", with Ahhhhhhhnold.
Its future science, might as well be magic, so I can't speculate. I think it is going to be much more difficult than anyone thinks, but not impossible.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I don't see how putting a person's brain inside a machine would be any different than a person plug to a life support machine. As I recall some people are in favor of pulling the plug on someone who is on live support. So....
If a man retains his humanity if his mind is placed in an artificial body, then how is the contrapositive of this any different? You have already conceded that it is his mental state, not his body that defines his personhood.
There are two types of human.
Human, the species for which the biological reference is Human. Obviously an android or robot would not be a Human in this sense.
Human, the humanity, the emotions, belief systems consciousness and sentience. Whether your a Human or a Klingon you might still have Humanity. So then, can an artificial being.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Human, the humanity, the emotions, belief systems consciousness and sentience. Whether your a Human or a Klingon you might still have Humanity. So then, can an artificial being.
i would agree with this, but would split hairs over terms. I'd prefer sentience, but it is just as ambiguous 😎
Originally posted by inimalist
I'd probably wouldn't be presenting new terms 'round these parts
*tips hat* Sound like uh plan.
Originally posted by inimalist
and really, I'd love one of you guys to try and "make fun" of me for the "headstart effect" in feature search 😉
What the hell does headstart effect mean? And what is "feature search"?
Originally posted by inimalist
lol, word!ya, thats why i edited, that and it looked to much like im trying to show off...
Sorry...I had no idea you edited until just now.
You can send it to me via PM. And, no, I won't make fun of you for "showing off". If you've come up with something and actually named it, why the hell wouldn't I want to know?
It's obviously psychological in nature. If you don't tell me, I'll go crazy. If that happens, I won't be tripping with you anymore!
Originally posted by Mindship
Traits which (possibly) define "humanity" (ie, brainstorming for a new word)...- abstract thinking
- self-awareness
- able to feel compassion
- able to exercise justice
- able to experience awe...for starters.
Ability to suffer seems important.
Though of course, all those are not excluding, unless you would deny a comatose person or a mentally handicapped person their humanity.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If a man retains his humanity if his mind is placed in an artificial body, then how is the contrapositive of this any different? You have already conceded that it is his mental state, not his body that defines his personhood.
The mental state of the person you mention in your scenerio it's consider important. The shock to discover that they lost their body and are now confine to a metal case could be too shocking. For this case both physical and psychological therapy would be require and should be provided. As I mention before, I'm sure the body of the person can be clone and transfer his memory back to the new body.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The mental state of the person you mention in your scenerio it's consider important. The shock to discover that they lost their body and are now confine to a metal case could be too shocking. For this case both physical and psychological therapy would be require and must be provided. As I mention before, I'm sure the body of the person can be cloned and transfer his memory bank to the new body.
If a digital intelligence it downloaded into a organic body it gains rights then?