Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I don't see how putting a person's brain inside a machine would be any different than a person plug to a life support machine.
Because the person would still be able to do everything he could before except have kids, only he'd be made of metal. So as he now lacks DNA you would support taking away the man's right, correct?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because the person would still be able to do everything he could before except have kids, only he'd be made of metal. So as he now lacks DNA you would support taking away the man's right, correct?
Well, this might be different. Since a machine is been use to save a person's life. Here the machine is not a replica of a person. It's only a host for the person's body. I would classify this one in another area.
Let's just cut to chase. This is Robocop all over again.
(damn! there goes my previous idea)
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Well, this might be different. Since a machine is been use to save a person's life. Here the machine is not a replica of a person. It's only a host for the person's body. I would classify this one in another area.
You made it quite clear that being organic and having DNA was the important thing. His body is gone the machine preserves his mind by effectively making him an AI. That qualifies him to lose his rights by your system.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You made it quite clear that being organic and having DNA was the important thing. His body is gone the machine preserves his mind by effectively making him an AI. That qualifies him to lose his rights by your system.
It is important. A person's life is also very important. He does not loses his rights. He was a human BEFORE his body was turned into a machine. As a matter of fact this scenerio CAN be change. The human could later choose to transfer his brain to a clone. The cyborg body can only be a momentary station.
No matter how you put it the machine is secondary here. The human is still gets priority.
If they have the technology to transfer human thoughts into a machine...gee, might as well go with a more practical choice... a clone.
Originally posted by inimalist
the neural activity of a human put into a computer capable of simulating that ability is no longer humanhuman is NOT brain activity
So you don't subscribe to the concepts presented in Ghost in the Shell?
I fully agree that it would not longer be human. You, among all of us, know how many chemicals are involved in just being human. Emotions? Shouldn't really exist in a simulated body, should it? There are just waaaaaaaay too many things about a human being flesh that would work right if we only had our RSI transferred to a machine.
I guess you could have a fundamental OS that calibrates to the person's emotions(with a pre-upload sync or something) and adapts specific subroutines to simulate those hormones n'stuff that makes people more human. If it doesn't calibrate properly, there'd be a lose of personality at some level...we'd end up with something between a human and Data from startrek.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
It is important. A person's life is also very important. He does not loses his rights. He was a human BEFORE his body was turned into a machine. As a matter of fact this scenerio CAN be change. The human could later choose to transfer his brain to a clone. The cyborg body can only be a momentary station.No matter how you put it the machine is secondary here. The human is still gets priority.
If they have the technology to transfer human thoughts into a machine...gee, might as well go with a more practical choice... a clone.
So you're going back on this:
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
For me such machines should be able to reproduce. Meaning a female robot have to give birth. If it could do it...then I would say they can be equal or even given rights.Until then...it remains no different than my Xbox 360.
As a human mind in a machine he cannot have kids. Not human by you standard. He's just a fancy X-Box 360.
This would have to be thrown out too:
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
It does matter. They're machines. Period! There is no DNA in them.
No DNA. Not human. He loses his rights in your system regardless of what he was before. He's a machine. Period!
This poses a problem as well:
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Technology should help people in their jobs. Not take them away. It's going to be far worse when a robot with human capacities take over. Even worse giving them absurd rights that they don't deserved. Those rights should go to humans.
The human mind in a robot body will be taking jobs for normal organic people. Thus in the system you have been talking about for pages it would be absurd to him him rights.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So you're going back on this:As a human mind in a machine he cannot have kids. Not human by you standard. He's just a fancy X-Box 360.
This would have to be thrown out too:
No DNA. Not human. He loses his rights in your system regardless of what he was before. He's a machine. Period!
This poses a problem as well:
The human mind in a robot body will be taking jobs for normal organic people. Thus in the system you have been talking about for pages it would be absurd to him him rights.
No, I'm not going into anything. I still stand on my opinion. What you're doing here is streching the topic. All those machines did not begin as humans. This is a very different scenerio. We're talking about saving the life of a human. As I said earlier is still very important. He has not lost his ORIGINAL rights because he was born human. Because of this accident there was no choice but put him inside a machine. He has the right to be given medical help.
Again, there is also the option of cloning the person. The machine remains secondary and the human gets priority. This case is similar to amputations. Even if it has a wooden limb the person is still a person. And continues to have rights.
Originally posted by Bardock42
HahahahahaI'm a ****ing Prophet.
Failure.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
No, I'm not going into anything. I still stand on my opinion. What you're doing here is streching the topic. All those machines did not begin as humans. This is a very different scenerio. We're talking about saving the life of a human. As I said earlier is still very important. He has not lost his ORIGINAL rights because he was born human. Because of this accident there was no choice but put him inside a machine. He has the right to be medical help.
But he has lost everything that gives him those right. Letting him keep them is insane.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I'm sure he has family that can claim him.
But only as an object, a fancy X-Box for his kids.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
He has lost nothing. Once he dies then you can consider that he lost his rights.
No DNA. No ability to reproduce. No biological material.
Those are your standards for being human and deserving rights. He has none of them.
Originally posted by dadudemon
So you don't subscribe to the concepts presented in Ghost in the Shell?I fully agree that it would not longer be human. You, among all of us, know how many chemicals are involved in just being human. Emotions? Shouldn't really exist in a simulated body, should it? There are just waaaaaaaay too many things about a human being flesh that would work right if we only had our RSI transferred to a machine.
I guess you could have a fundamental OS that calibrates to the person's emotions(with a pre-upload sync or something) and adapts specific subroutines to simulate those hormones n'stuff that makes people more human. If it doesn't calibrate properly, there'd be a lose of personality at some level...we'd end up with something between a human and Data from startrek.
neuroscience really doesn't understand the architectutre of emotional experience, so I can't necessarily come up with a viable solution.
However, there is nothing special about emotions that would make them any harder to simulate than any other faculty of the mind.