Adding any amp to Batman is like turning him into a GOD.
The guy's in physical, emotional, and mental peak.
Besides, Superman doesn't have the 'brains' to take on even a non-amped Batman.
What makes you think a Gladiator-boosted Batman will lose this fight, if any chance?? And you give the guy 1 year? 1 YEAR!
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Originally posted by Grinning Goku
You really hate Superman don't you?
It seems that way.
There's a lot more that goes into winning a fight than having nifty skills. Let's not forget that Superman actually has centuries worth of training form Asgard, ancient Kryptonian martial arts (which he's used to beat Batman when he was depowered), amazonian training from Diana, earth based martial arts including some training from Batman himself. Training from Mongul. And he has super photographic memory to ensure that all those skills are a permanent part of his arsenal.
I mean when it comes to actual skills in combat Superman has plenty of it, the writers generally bring them out when Superman loses powers and has to duel.
Beyond that we can't ignore experience, Superman has had decades to get used to his powers, beyond that he's duked it out with people on his physical level and beyond and has pulled out some hard fought victories with these Super beings. Batman is used to fighting at a regular humans level (ignoring pis feats of course), fighting with superhumans on their terms is an entirely different proposition.
Let's not forget that WW has more combat experience and skill than Bruce and still gets rocked by super beings, that's a clear indication that fights at that level are very different.
It would be a good fight, but I'd expect Superman's experience at grinding out victories in deadly encounters with top tiers to see him through.
Originally posted by Allankles
It seems that way.There's a lot more that goes into winning a fight than having nifty skills. Let's not forget that Superman actually has centuries worth of training form Asgard, ancient Kryptonian martial arts (which he's used to beat Batman when he was depowered), amazonian training from Diana, earth based martial arts including some training from Batman himself. Training from Mongul. And he has super photographic memory to ensure that all those skills are a permanent part of his arsenal.
I mean when it comes to actual skills in combat Superman has plenty of it, the writers generally bring them out when Superman loses powers and has to duel.
Beyond that we can't ignore experience, Superman has had decades to get used to his powers, beyond that he's duked it out with people on his physical level and beyond and has pulled out some hard fought victories with these Super beings. Batman is used to fighting at a regular humans level (ignoring pis feats of course), fighting with superhumans on their terms is an entirely different proposition.
Let's not forget that WW has more combat experience and skill than Bruce and still gets rocked by super beings, that's a clear indication that fights at that level are very different.
It would be a good fight, but I'd expect Superman's experience at grinding out victories in deadly encounters with top tiers to see him through.
Who do you think can beat superman.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
1. I didnt make this thread.2. I thought it was borderline spite myself....since I think its highly unlikely that Superman could win vs Batman with nothing but prep as is.
My bad. I looked on page 2 and thought it was page 1. Well I know for sure carver hates Superman like hemorrhoids.
Originally posted by Grinning Goku
My bad. I looked on page 2 and thought it was page 1. Well I know for sure carver hates Superman like hemorrhoids.
I dont hate superman, I just dont agree with everything that you all say about his speed. You might as well say that I hate wonderwoman and martian manhunter because the same arguments that I used against superman I use it against them also because I know for a fact that all 3 (well 4 if you add supergirl) fight like a brick and all would lose to either hulk, juggernaut, doomsday, konvikt, etc... because they always resort to h2h which would be there down fall.
Originally posted by carver9
I dont hate superman, I just dont agree with everything that you all say about his speed. You might as well say that I hate wonderwoman and martian manhunter because the same arguments that I used against superman I use it against them also because I know for a fact that all 3 (well 4 if you add supergirl) fight like a brick and all would lose to either hulk, juggernaut, doomsday, konvikt, etc... because they always resort to h2h which would be there down fall.
That's how they fight in the comics. Comics need to be interesting. Superman needs to get hit by his opponents, hence the difficulties many Flash writers have when weaving storylines. Super-speed characters are hard to write, bricks like the Hulk and Thing aren't as challenging since they don't possess the level of speed the Flash, Super WW and MM do. In a no holds barred match, Superman, Flash or WW would own IMHO.
Originally posted by Grinning Goku
That's how they fight in the comics. Comics need to be interesting. Superman needs to get hit by his opponents, hence the difficulties many Flash writers have when weaving storylines. Super-speed characters are hard to write, bricks like the Hulk and Thing aren't as challenging since they don't possess the level of speed the Flash, Super WW and MM do. In a no holds barred match, Superman, Flash or WW would own IMHO.
I agree with flash since he used his combat speed in all of his fight, ALL of his fights but its not common for gladiator, superman, wonderwoman, super girl, martian manhunter, sentry, etc.. to use this against there opponents because majority of the time they are getting abused and ambushed by top tier bricks. Flash is well versed at using his combat speed, along with zoom and others but when it come to people that has numerous of powers at there disposal they get so use to using there other exotic powers that they basically never got the chance to master the combat speed that they could have. Example, wolverine know every martial art on the planet but since he has that amazing healing factor, that lead to him getting either stalemated or taking some loses against fighters that isnt on his level. Sabertooth is a excellent fighter and know almost every fighting style that there is to know but due to his healing factor and other powers he basically fights like a brute because he dont have to display his ability thats all he need to do is get a quick slash in with his claws.
Originally posted by carver9
Who do you think can beat superman.
Plenty of people.
Just not Batman. Batman wouldn't be anymore skillful than Gladiator. As I've said, mentioning Batman's skills is irrelevant since combat skills are a given for many a top tier, Superman, Gladiator, WW included. There's nothing Batman is adding to Gladiator except maybe a bit more creativity, but Superman has had plenty more time to experiment on his powers so ultimately there's nothing in Glad's body that's surprising him, not to mention that Glads doesn't share big blue's super senses.
Batman to me is a clearly overrated character. Everything he knows or does especially combat wise can be replicated by a lot of people, including Supes who's beaten him when they fought on the same terms - no power - it's just that for other characters they wouldn't be as hyped.
Batman's feats are hyped because he's a regular mortal not because they can't be replicated by other characters. Even his intelligence is just a cover for his condition - a regular human trapped among super beings, otherwise why would he be important to his team mates?
There's plenty of intelligence there (JL) without Batman, he just has to have an implied edge in the brains department to compensate, all this clearly forgetting that one of Superman's early traits was his great intellect.
Originally posted by Allankles
Plenty of people.Just not Batman. Batman wouldn't be anymore skillful than Gladiator. As I've said, mentioning Batman's skills is irrelevant since combat skills are a given for many a top tier, Superman, Gladiator, WW included. There's nothing Batman is adding to Gladiator except maybe a bit more creativity, but Superman has had plenty more time to experiment on his powers so ultimately there's nothing in Glad's body that's surprising him, not to mention that Glads doesn't share big blue's super senses.
Batman to me is a clearly overrated character. Everything he knows or does especially combat wise can be replicated by a lot of people, including Supes who's beaten him when they fought on the same terms - no power - it's just that for other characters they wouldn't be as hyped.
Batman's feats are hyped because he's a regular mortal not because they can't be replicated by other characters. Even his intelligence is just a cover for his condition - a regular human trapped among super beings, otherwise why would he be important to his team mates?
There's plenty of intelligence there (JL) without Batman, he just has to have an implied edge in the brains department to compensate, all this clearly forgetting that one of Superman's early traits was his great intellect.
I can tell that you know little about gladiator, gladiator seen galactus from one side of the universe to the other. Gladiator has xray vision along with super hearing just like superman. Everything that superman has gladiator has also but gladiator has something that superman dont have and thats the ability to amp his strength without outside interference.
Originally posted by carver9
I can tell that you know little about gladiator, gladiator seen galactus from one side of the universe to the other. Gladiator has xray vision along with super hearing just like superman. Everything that superman has gladiator has also but gladiator has something that superman dont have and thats the ability to amp his strength without outside interference.
I should have been more specific he doesn't have MV and I can't recall him ever using TV in conjunction which HV to take out a threat. Also no freezebreath or superbreath. And Glads loses fights Superman would win, he certainly hasn't shown himself to be the same level as Superman physically.
Without trying to assume Glads level based on supposition or expectation he's physically inferior to Superman - like a weaker Kryptonian.
Originally posted by Allankles
I should have been more specific he doesn't have MV and I can't recall him ever using TV in conjunction which HV to take out a threat. Also no freezebreath or superbreath. And Glads loses fights Superman would win, he certainly hasn't shown himself to be the same level as Superman physically.Without trying to assume Glads level based on supposition or expectation he's physically inferior to Superman - like a weaker Kryptonian.
Obviously you wont see as many feats because Superman has had his own books and comics for over 50 years. Sentry and Gladiator only have a few appearances by comparison..so no you quite obviously wont see every feat matched by those two....and we have to take that into consideration.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Obviously you wont see as many feats because Superman has had his own books and comics for over 50 years. Sentry and Gladiator only have a few appearances by comparison..so no you quite obviously wont see every feat matched by those two....and we have to take that into consideration.
Yes we have to take it into consideration. So don't be surprised when I don't give them credit where Superman has actual earned it via his character history.
Sentry is a great example, hyping him and then having him lose to WWH doesn't help his case, neither does it serve as a defining feat for Hulk if Sentry is less than or no better than him, its a double edged sword IMO. If Sentry wins it certainly makes less of a mess of things and Sentry's rep is boosted.
Originally posted by Allankles
Yes we have to take it into consideration. So don't be surprised when I don't give them credit where Superman has actual earned it via his character history.Sentry is a great example, hyping him and then having him lose to WWH doesn't help his case, neither does it serve as a defining feat for Hulk if Sentry is less than or no better than him, its a double edged sword IMO. If Sentry wins it certainly makes less of a mess of things and Sentry's rep is boosted.
Well obviously going by your way of thinking - that whoever has the most feats=strongest....
Superman can easily take out Thanos, Galactus, and Living Tribunal as well. 🙄