Batman with gladiator powers vs superman

Originally posted by carver9
Its not about power, who wouldnt like a book where superman isnt holding back.

I wouldn't like it if Superman started to always go all out. It takes away from his character. Loeb gave Superman some good feats, but most of his Superman stories, other than Superman for all Seasons, are just horrible. I enjoyed Superman/Batman Annual 2, in which Superman was powerless for the majority of the story, more than anything Loeb wrote during his run on Superman/Batman. In fact, the best story he wrote in Superman/Batman was Sam's story, and than contained no noteworthy feats at all. When I read a comic, I want a good story first and foremost, and not impressive feats for the price of a good story.

Originally posted by Rorschach
I wouldn't like it if Superman started to always go all out. It takes away from his character. Loeb gave Superman some good feats, but most of his Superman stories, other than Superman for all Seasons, are just horrible. I enjoyed Superman/Batman Annual 2, in which Superman was powerless for the majority of the story, more than anything Loeb wrote during his run on Superman/Batman. In fact, the best story he wrote in Superman/Batman was Sam's story, and than contained no noteworthy feats at all. When I read a comic, I want a good story first and foremost, and not impressive feats for the price of a good story.

Good point and very well understood. I totally agree with you but I dont see anything wrong with the story line. Superman being powerless was great but what makes superman/superman isnt just his personality because he has one of the best personality in comic history, what makes him/him is his power and what he do in situations when his power isnt enough.

All in all, if I was to think about it, there are other stories out there that are better. Like superman "man of tomorrow", that was great and you actually felt the character of superman, you felt what he was going through and felt the pain that he felt and it also had some good feats with him versus the elementals.

When I read a story, I want it to be interesting also but at the same time entertainment is also what makes a story much better and thats what is given in superman/batman.

Good post though and yes I agree with you on the story part, without a good story you would have a lame book.

Originally posted by carver9
All in all, if I was to think about it, there are other stories out there that are better. Like superman "man of tomorrow"

That’s For Tomorrow, and it wasn’t very good. Superman isn’t supposed to be a dark, brooding, character. The only thing really enjoyable about that issue was Lee’s art. The series went from mediocre to just bad. Azzarello just didn’t get Superman.

Originally posted by Rorschach
That’s For Tomorrow, and it wasn’t very good. Superman isn’t supposed to be a dark, brooding, character. The only thing really enjoyable about that issue was Lee’s art. The series went from mediocre to just bad. Azzarello just didn’t get Superman.

I guess you dont like much of superman comics huh because to me majority of them are pretty good. Its not hard to make a good comic for a guy with superman powers and personality. The only comics that I didnt find that interesting was superman comics during the imperex saga. anything before and after that has been good.

Batman 6/10

Originally posted by carver9
I guess you dont like much of superman comics huh because to me majority of them are pretty good.

I never said anything about disliking most Superman comics. I said I thought For Tomorrow was a bad arc.

Originally posted by carver9
Its not hard to make a good comic for a guy with superman powers and personality.

I never said it was.

Originally posted by carver9
The only comics that I didnt find that interesting was superman comics during the imperex saga. anything before and after that has been good.

Not exactly. There have been good arcs, and there have been bad. Austen's run was crap, so was The Last Superman Story, The Pocket Universe, and several other stories, but there have also been good Superman stories such as, Time and Time Again, Panic in the Sky, What's So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way, and several other others. But it's only recently that Superman comics have been consistently good.