Fury, durability gauntlet

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well,
I don't know about the Michael situation since it has nothing to do with Marvel.

But in Marvel comics,
the CN transforms Space into Un-Space (absolute nothingness/ the Void)
nothing remains.

The UN does the same thing, but evidently,
the spirit of concepts (at-least Eternity's survive, though technically he's dead.

Fury's durability withstood (unharmed) that which utterly erases Time/Space/Matter,
completely,
in fact, it becomes the opposite of Time/Space/Matter ... it becomes absolute nothingness,
not even conceptual spirits survive,
then again how can it, when it the CN strikes at it's very heart.

Don't know what else to say.

Owen did not block all of Beyonder's power at the very end,
he literally re-directed it into the Beyond Realm.

Owen was so weak after battling the Beyonder, (the first time)
that he barely had enough power to help Silver Surfer repair the Earth:

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Now if Owen Reece,
(most powerful being in the Multiverse, control over all time/space/matter)
couldn't even repair a single Planet on his own,
are we really going to think he blocked Beyonder's full exaggerated power?

I know I won't.

Obviously, the power he re-directed was not meant to harm him, or anyone else.

You asked for proof,
I delivered,
you return with another loophole.

I can't debate this way.

As for the Beyonder argument:

I was referring to two instances. 1. The battle MM and Beyonder had underground and 2. when the Beyonder's power exploded out of the machine.

The power released from the machine was Beyonder's raw energy. The Beyonder didn't willfully allow his power to spew out, Owen destroyed the link to the Beyonder (the baby) and his power (raw energy), thus causing the power to be released.

"Power unimaginable spews from the severed, flailing conduit----destroying everything it touches!"

Obviously, the power he re-directed was not meant to harm him, or anyone else.

But since this time the Beyonder wasn't willfully imposing his energy on MM like he did in their battle, MM was able to redirect the power.

Originally posted by Utrigita

this is just theory master.

That's a fact friend.

You must've missed the part that clearly states,
"it's journey was not pleasant"

Originally posted by Utrigita

Is it possible that what damaged it was the lack of substance when the universe was destroyed and hence it didn't have the means of recovery and on top of that it cross dimensionel barriers that with all respect the SS can cross without showing any signs of damage, this leads me to believe that the Fury was weakened from the nullification and the lack of substance to replace it energies the dimensionel travel then further exhaust the already exhausted Fury again it's just a theory because I personally have a hard time seeing how the Fury survives entire unharmed a nullification attack and but when it cross a dimensionel Barrier it's almost killed.

The facts:

Please refer to page one,
where I already posted the scans of the Fury withstanding the CN on panel,
and further corroborated in TWO separate Handbooks as being so.

This is a fact.

Originally posted by Utrigita
this is just theory master.

Is it possible that what damaged it was the lack of substance when the universe was destroyed and hence it didn't have the means of recovery and on top of that it cross dimensionel barriers that with all respect the SS can cross without showing any signs of damage, this leads me to believe that the Fury was weakened from the nullification and the lack of substance to replace it energies the dimensionel travel then further exhaust the already exhausted Fury again it's just a theory because I personally have a hard time seeing how the Fury survives entire unharmed a nullification attack and but when it cross a dimensionel Barrier it's almost killed.

👆

Originally posted by Air Legend

You provided scans from a What If. I was going to write no What If's, but decided against it since I didn't believe you'd actually attempt to use What If material as evidence (seeing how you find them ridiculous as well), but you did. It's not that I'm looking for loopholes, I just want credible evidence, and What If's are anything but credible.

I also provided scans from another legitimate source, (on panel)
where the Fury withstood/survived unharmed the nullification of it's entire Universe,
it was confirmed in two Handbooks,
but that wasnt enough either.

Don't know what else to say.

Originally posted by Air Legend

As for the Beyonder argument:

I was referring to two instances. 1. The battle MM and Beyonder had underground and 2. when the Beyonder's power exploded out of the machine.

The power released from the machine was Beyonder's raw energy. The Beyonder didn't willfully allow his power to spew out, Owen destroyed the link to the Beyonder (the baby) and his power (raw energy), thus causing the power to be released.

"Power unimaginable spews from the severed, flailing conduit----destroying everything it touches!"

Originally posted by Air Legend

So in a way you're right by it wasn't "meant" to harm anyone, because the Beyonder didn't decide/choose to release all his powers, rather Owen's interference caused his power to involuntarily spew out, and consequently, the power was destroying everything it touched.

But since this time the Beyonder wasn't willfully imposing his energy on MM like he did in their battle, MM was able to redirect the power.

But this still doesn't relate to the CN and the Fury incident.

Because the CN was trying to erase Fury, like everything else in the 238 reality.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But actually,

this diverged reality's Universal spirit (aspect of Eternity) still lives:

Originally posted by Galan007

But we know the UN's destructive quality is entirely dependent on the one using it. Look at what Galactus, and especially Reed have done with it for pete's sake. In short, you shouldn't knock the UN just because Korvac was too weak to wipe out a universe with it, in that What If.

In case you forgot,
it was I that brought the UN's power to light.

It was I (in this forum at-least)
who first presented the UN wiping out the prime Multiverse.

It has always been my mission, to defend the UN and it's capabilities.

"Knocking the UN?" ... ❌

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"Korvac was too weak?" ... what?

Korvac took everyone out on his own, and absorbed their powers too,
(including hierarchal members)
he only used the UN to wipe out that aspect of Eternity.

And actually, Korvac did wipe out the Universe with it.

It was only the spirit of that aspect of Eternity that survived.
(the universe itself though, was gone)

Originally posted by Mr Master
In short, I didn't know I was knocking the UN.

In case you forgot,
it was [b]I that brought the UN's power to light.

It was I (in this forum at-least)
who first presented the UN wiping out the prime Multiverse.

It has always been my mission, to defend the UN and it's capabilities.[/B]

Cool beans. 🙂

Darn it, just noticed the edit.

Now I must redefine my post. smilefist

Originally posted by Galan007

So in short,
nobody knew a thing about what the UN has the capability of doing,
until you came along?

Didn't know that.

Cool beans.

Originally posted by Mr Master

It was I (in this forum at-least)
who first presented the UN wiping out the prime Multiverse.

It has always been my mission, to defend the UN and it's capabilities.

Originally posted by Air Legend

You provided scans from a What If. I was going to write no What If's, but decided against it since I didn't believe you'd actually attempt to use What If material as evidence (seeing how you find them ridiculous as well), but you did. It's not that I'm looking for loopholes, I just want credible evidence, and What If's are anything but credible.

When the 616 UN was unleashed,
Galactus's World Ship was able to contain the energies,
yes, the 616 UN was un-able to nullify the ship or anything outside it,
though everyone within the ship was erased in the process:

(except for Galactus who escaped at the last moment)

Silver Surfer thought Galactus was dead,
but Galactus escaped at the very last moment.

Originally posted by Mr Master
dontgetit

That's a fact friend.

You must've missed the part that clearly states,
"it's journey was not pleasant"

Now this is a theory, and unsupported at that.

The facts:

Please refer to page one,
where I already posted the scans of the Fury withstanding the CN on panel,
and further corroborated in TWO separate Handbooks as being so.

This is a fact.

You didn't get it correct 😂 My own respond below was theory not what you posted 😉

And again I find it hard to believe that crossing dimensionel Barriers > Nullification of a Universe. Surfer should have died many times then along with Galactus.

I isn't denying that he withstood the blast Master, what I'm saying is that he wasn't entirely uneffected by it, unless Crossing dimensionel Barriers > Universal Nullification... and again withstanding can have to meanings resisting like you say ore endure what I think Fury did badly weakened however.

Originally posted by Utrigita

You didn't get it correct
My own respond below was theory not what you posted

Originally posted by Utrigita

And again I find it hard to believe that crossing dimensionel Barriers > Nullification of a Universe.
Surfer should have died many times then along with Galactus.

Not going across one Universe,
I'm talking about crossing from one Universe to the next,
and who knows how many at that.

Also, I doubt it was the simplicity (if we can call it that)
of crossing from one reality to the next and to the next and to the next,
obviously the Fury must've been bombarded with the stuff of space.

We don't know what the Fury encountered,
or had to endure in his journey to the 616 reality.

Whatever happened, happened off-panel, so none of us will ever know.

Originally posted by Utrigita

I isn't denying that he withstood the blast Master, what I'm saying is that he wasn't entirely uneffected by it, unless Crossing dimensionel Barriers > Universal Nullification... and again withstanding can have to meanings resisting like you say ore endure what I think Fury did badly weakened however.

If you wish to speculate based on unsupported logic, be my guest.

But on panel the Fury withstood and survived Universal nullification unharmed.

The artistic depiction is of a complete Fury, without a scratch:

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Fury floating around it's nullified Universe, completely intact. (UNHARMED)

"It floats through Space that is Not Space"

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The Marvel Official Handbook confirms this fact:

Alternate Universes - Crooked World (238 Reality)

"The Fury withstood both the Jaspers Warp and the Destruction of its Reality,
subsequently making its way to Earth 616"

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We know what "Withstood" means right?

(remain undamaged or unaffected by)

Also,
the Fury "Subsequently made its way to 616."

We know what "Subsequent" means right?

(coming after something in time; following)

So the Fury made its way to 616 AFTER it Withstood the nullification of 238. 🙂

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The bio, like presented on panel ... states,
the Fury withstood both 238 Jaspers' warp and the nullification of the 238 Universe:

Already presented undeniable proof (concerning nullification) that can not be countered.

Now here's the other part of the bio:

Fury withstanding again (without a scratch) 238 Jaspers' warp:

So the Handbook is 100% accurate according to On Panel evidence.

In one comic we have the Silver Surfer traveling through thousands of universes looking for a specie, he didn't get a scratch. And now master it begins to sound even more in logical that the stuff of space (reference to asteroids and the like?) damaged fury more then a universal nullification.

Let me see Master, the SS was knockout by Odin without a mark to show from it, yet Odin was capable of giving him enough force to make him pas out, and again Master I am in 100% agreement with you that he toke the blast and survived it there is no doubt about it but what we disagree on is the effect (if any) the nullification had to Fury, the handbook itself it rather open minded it says withstand which can mean two things that cannot be compared.

Withstand can be both To resist or endure successfully. Again imo Fury endured the Nullification (which is a Feat granted) it didn't resist it, because the Fury has shown before that it needs time to adapt it isn't instantaneous.

Originally posted by Utrigita

In one comic we have the Silver Surfer traveling through thousands of universes looking for a specie, he didn't get a scratch.

Originally posted by Utrigita

And now master it begins to sound even more in logical that the stuff of space (reference to asteroids and the like?) damaged fury more then a universal nullification.

How about Stars, Super Novas, Gamma explosions, Quasars, Pulsars,
Galactic collisions, Stellar Black Holes, or Super Massive Black Holes.

How about space traveling armada's,
Universal entities he might've encountered and battle,
and on and on.

If the Fury was constantly being attacked by accident or design,
without any substance to regenerate, logically this would lead to a damaged Fury.

I mean, since we have no idea what the Fury confronted in his journey,
our imagination can run wild with possibilities.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Let me see Master, the SS was knockout by Odin without a mark to show from it, yet Odin was capable of giving him enough force to make him pas out

Originally posted by Utrigita

and again Master I am in 100% agreement with you that he toke the blast and survived it there is no doubt about it

Originally posted by Utrigita

but what we disagree on is the effect (if any) the nullification had to Fury, the handbook itself it rather open minded it says withstand which can mean two things that cannot be compared.

Withstand can be both To resist or endure successfully. Again imo Fury endured the Nullification (which is a Feat granted) it didn't resist it, because the Fury has shown before that it needs time to adapt it isn't instantaneous.

On Panel the Fury is artistically depicted unharmed after the nullification,
the official Handbooks both state the Fury not only survived,
but also withstood nullification.

On Panel it's clearly stated that it was the Journey that was unpleasant,
which lead to Fury damage, (it no longer has limbs)

So ... that's as far as I can go with this particular debate.

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The meaning of "Withstood"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/withstood

"To stand up against :
oppose with firm determination; especially : to resist successfully

b: to be proof against : resist the effect of < withstand the impact of a landing"

Originally posted by Mr Master
Fair enough, I flipped a few pages in the 616 Reality, and I found:

When the 616 UN was unleashed,
Galactus's World Ship was able to contain the energies,
yes, the 616 UN was un-able to nullify the ship or anything outside it,
though everyone within the ship was erased in the process:

(except for Galactus who escaped at the last moment)

Silver Surfer thought Galactus was dead,
but Galactus escaped at the very last moment.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'd like to see that, what issue is this?

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/galactustravelfirst.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
"asteroids?" ... 😂 ... you funny Utrigita. But I know you playing. 😛

How about Stars, Super Novas, Gamma explosions, Quasars, Pulsars,
Galactic collisions, Stellar Black Holes, or Super Massive Black Holes.

How about space traveling armada's,
Universal entities he might've encountered and battle,
and on and on.

If the Fury was constantly being attacked by accident or design,
without any substance to regenerate, logically this would lead to a damaged Fury.

I mean, since we have no idea what the Fury confronted in his journey,
our imagination can run wild with possibilities.

😉 All of those attacks should prove absolutely ineffective against a being that survived universal nullification without a scrath, wouldn't you agree?

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is inconsequential to Fury and the CN.

Not quiet, the Surfer obvious was hurt (hence he was knocked out) yet he didn't have a mark to show from it, the Fury incident could very well be the same that Fury survived the attack and still didn't have a mark to show.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're gonna have to take this debate up with Marvel Handbook writers
and Alan Moore/Alan Davis, the writer & artist of the arc.

On Panel the Fury is artistically depicted unharmed after the nullification,
the official Handbooks both state the Fury not only survived,
but also withstood nullification.

On Panel it's clearly stated that it was the Journey that was unpleasant,
which lead to Fury damage, (it no longer has limbs)

So ... that's as far as I can go with this particular debate.

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The meaning of "Withstood"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/withstood

"To stand up against :
oppose with firm determination; especially : [b]to resist successfully

b: to be proof against : resist the effect of < withstand the impact of a landing" [/B]

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/withstand?view=uk

Oxford dictionary mentiones my point to, under the second paragraph and again that is the way we choose to look at the word and what diffinition we like to put into play, it all depends on how we look at the rest of the comic individually.

aint no mofo geting past two.

Originally posted by Air Legend

And now, with legitimate proof at hand,
I'll concede that the Ultimate Nullifier would not be able to stop the Fury.

Originally posted by carnage52

aint no mofo geting past two.

Originally posted by Mr Master

The Fury is immune to temporal/spatial nullification energies.

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