Originally posted by Utrigitahttp://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/galactustravelfirst.jpg
Ok,
I'll first bring to light the inconsistencies and contradictions involved in this one-shot.
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First ... the Adjudicator comes from withIN the 616 Universe:
"In a far, far distant section of the Universe"
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Second ... the Adjudicator comes from another Universe:
"The Adjudicator flashes past entire Universes"
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The Watcher mentioned the Decimators were a "thousand Universes away.
Just thought it was peculiar Reed says while searching for the Surfer:
"He might be anywhere in a thousand Galaxies"
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Are they really beyond the 616 reality?
Maybe, maybe not, but, they only judge Galaxies,
beats me why they are supposedly concerned
with a single Galaxy a thousand Universes away:
"The Cosmic Tribunal ... act as judges of the Galaxies
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Ok, so the Watcher does claim the Decimators are a thousand Universes away:
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A thousand Universes away ... hmmm.
Or entire Universes away ...
Yet, when Galactus and co. go to find their world,
it's only Galaxies they're passing by:
"Time and Space intermingle as the Galaxies speed by"
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After Galactus and Co. help the Cosmic Tribunal from the Decimators,
their thought of peace reach only the countless Galaxies. (which 616 contains)
"Mighty thoughts travel outward, across the countless Galaxies"
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continues in the next post ...
continues ...
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Ok, On Panel the contradictions are many,
but even in the actual story-srcipt,
the inconsistencies/contradictions continue:
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"In another sector of the Universe,
further than we have ever gone or discovered" (which is rubbish)
"Cosmic Tribunal purpose is to keep peace in the Universe ...
... they feel they're helping to protect the Universe"
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In the Universe!
"Their thoughts are the most potent weapons in the Universe"
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In the Universe!
"It's up to Surfer, only he has the speed
to reach a certain place in the Universe in time"
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A thousand Universes away now!
"There is a war-like race, a thousand Universes away"
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But back to just a section of the Universe! ... again!
"SS to go to that race and direct & direct them to that quadrant of the Universe"
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So both the Cosmic Tribunal and the Decimators are located Universes away,
but also withIN the prime Universe evidently.
doh
One more thing Utrigita:
Even if Surfer did cross entire UniverseS!
This story took place in 2007 ... the arc involving the Fury was way back in 1983,
perhaps traveling across Universes to reach another Universe was not as easy then,
Marvel has raised the bar as we know,
nowadays, destroying an entire Universe is almost rudimentary,
while taking out a Universe back in the day was a big deal.
Any how good friend,
show me the Surfer crossing entire UniverseS on his board
anytime from 1983 on down, and then you got something for us to ponder further.
Originally posted by UtrigitaAll of those attacks should prove absolutely ineffective against a being that survived universal nullification without a scrath, wouldn't you agree?
Anyhow, there's nothing further to debate,
you're forcing logic on a comic book.
The simple fact is,
that we have NO idea what the Fury encountered,
all we know is, the Fury withstood nullification unharmed,
and some set of circumstances during it's journey damaged it.
That's it, on panel and confirmed in Marvel Handbooks.
Originally posted by UtrigitaNot quiet, the Surfer obvious was hurt (hence he was knocked out) yet he didn't have a mark to show from it, the Fury incident could very well be the same that Fury survived the attack and still didn't have a mark to show.
The Fury was missing limbs when it reached 616,
limbs it had after nullification,
obviously something damaged the Fury during the journey.
Originally posted by Utrigitahttp://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/withstand?view=uk
Oxford dictionary mentiones my point to, under the second paragraph and again that is the way we choose to look at the word and what diffinition we like to put into play
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/withstand?view=uk
Withstand
• verb (past and past part. withstood) 1 remain undamaged or unaffected by.
Originally posted by Utrigitait all depends on how we look at the rest of the comic individually.
"It floats through Space that is Not Space"
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And the Fury was damaged during it's journey:
"It Arrived an Hour ago"
"It comes from Another Universe ...
it's Journey was Not pleasant,
it no longer has Limbs"
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All confirmed in official Marvel Handbooks:
"The Fury withstood both the Jaspers Warp and the Destruction of its Reality,
subsequently making its way to Earth 616"
Strange that he searches a thousands universes and then find the race needed in his own universe 😂
I will go have a look for it.
Something more powerful then a attack by the CN? in 1983 there certainly wasn't a great deal of high cosmic arounds that could deliver that amount of damage.
Agreed that he withstood it, I just doesn't agree with your version of withstood I think this
2. offer strong resistanceis more likely.
My bad not the comic, the handbooks mentioning of withstood 🙂
Originally posted by UtrigitaStrange that he searches a thousands universes
and then find the race needed in his own universe.
It may be that the term "Universe" is being used to describe all of Marvel,
like in certain other arcs,
but that doesn't explain why Galactus only passed Galaxies to get to their world.
Originally posted by UtrigitaSomething more powerful then a attack by the CN? in 1983 there certainly wasn't a great deal of high cosmic arounds that could deliver that amount of damage.
Originally posted by UtrigitaAgreed that he withstood it,
I just doesn't agree with your version of withstood I think this is more likely.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm just as confused.It may be that the term "Universe" is being used to describe all of Marvel,
like in certain other arcs,
but that doesn't explain why Galactus only passed Galaxies to get to their world.
👆
Originally posted by Mr Master
We simply don't and never will know what the Fury encountered.
Agreed, but Master what could he had encountered that damaged him more then a universal destroying blast in 1983?
Originally posted by Mr Master
That's cool, you're not disagreeing with me though,
you're disagreeing with the on panel evidence which was confirmed in the Handbooks.
Yes I'm disagreeing with the Handbook on the term Withstood that's all 🙂
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
From what I've read of the discussion, Utrigita certainly makes a lot more sense.If I understand correctly, Mr Master says that Fury survived the nullification on the Universe unharmed but his travelling from a Universe to another hurt him ? 😬
Originally posted by UtrigitaAgreed, but Master what could he had encountered
that damaged him more then a universal destroying blast in 1983?
Originally posted by UtrigitaYes I'm disagreeing with the Handbook on the term Withstood that's all
And really, who can debate against that? 🙂
Originally posted by xjustice69xso all that is needed to beat the fury is to hurl him through a universe hopping bfr ?
You didn't know that did ya?
That tactic, will never, ever work,
after arriving on Earth 616,
the Fury developed teleportation capabilities of trans-cosmic proportions.
Originally posted by xjustice69xyea does not make much sense to me either. but oh well
i just think fury survived it so he could be defeated later by the heros.
not some souless machine killing another souless machine.
makes the heros more usefull i guess
Heroes killed Fury? .... 😆
You think it was that simple huh? ... That's still funny. 😂
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
From what I've read of the discussion,
Utrigita certainly makes a lot more sense.
I'm not here to makes sense of what took place on panel
and was confirmed in the official Marvel Handbooks,
I'm only stating the facts.
You think it's senseless?
Take up with Alan Moore, Alan Davis and the Marvel handbook writers.
Originally posted by Erik-LensherrIf I understand correctly,
Mr Master says that Fury survived the nullification on the Universe unharmed but his travelling from a Universe to another hurt him ?
Btw. Mr M didn't say that, (meaning it's not my opinion)
Mr M is only conveying what took place On Panel,
which was then confirmed in the Handbooks.
The FACTS! ... according to the On Panel undeniable proof!
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After nullification:
Hey look at that,
all my limbs are there, I'm whole,
in fact,
I'm complete, I'm the same looking Fury that killed every hero on Earth 238.
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After the Journey:
Hey well what da ya know,
my limbs are now missing, I'm not whole,
in fact,
I'm in-complete, I'm horribly damaged, my back is broken,
and I look nothing like the Fury that killed all the heroes of Earth 238.
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For the last time,
you, nor I, nor anyone else,
has any idea what the Fury encountered in its journey,
or why the Fury was damaged during its journey.
All we know is, that something, or many things in its journey damaged it.
So when the Handbook states Fury witstood nullification:
The Handbook is 100% accurate according to the On Panel proof presented.
I'm not going to entertain anymore circles on this subject,
the proof is there,
on panel and confirmed in the Handbooks,
whoever has a problem with the truth,
again,
take it up with Alan Moore, Alan Davis and the writers of the Marvel handbooks.
Originally posted by Mr MasterTechnically speaking, it was the 'heroes' whom actually killed Fury - so 'xjustice' wasn't completely incorrect. Granted, he probably didn't know [or simply didn't state] how weak Fury was from battling Jaspers just beforehand - but that statement was true, for the most part.
Heroes killed Fury? .... 😆
Originally posted by Galan007Technically speaking, it was the 'heroes' whom actually killed Fury -
so 'xjustice' wasn't completely incorrect.
Granted, he probably didn't know [or simply didn't state]
how weak Fury was from battling Jaspers just beforehand -
but that statement was true, for the most part.
He meant it the way he conveyed the post,
trying to make fun of the Fury because I'm debating on it's behalf.
This goes back Galan, it's between him and I,
it's not about the debate,
it's about appearing in threads I'm debating in
and agreeing with the guy I'm debating with,
regardless of how wrong they are.
Again, this goes back, even slightly before you joined the forum.
So just, don't mind it good friend.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I have no idea, which is why I've said several times our imaginations can run wild,
since [b]none of us know what the Fury encountered.[/B]
Then Please master let it run wild, you know more about the cosmic hierarchy and so forth then I do, what could the fury have encountered that is more destroying then the CN?
Originally posted by Mr Master
You're disagreeing with the On Panel evidence,
and the confirmation withIN the Handbook.And really, who can debate against that? 🙂
Have I...
I stated that fury survived the attack because it shows that clearly on panel, what I then stated doesn't conflict with the on panel scans ore handbook references, first I gave a example of a incident (ss and Odin) where the receiver of the attack didn't show any signs of damage which fury didn't either no conflict there. Second the handbook where even you doesn't know what effect the writer choosed to lay into Withstood (no conflict there either except my disagreement with you on the words meaning) it could be immune but it could be highly resistant too, two very different meanings of the same word.
A third thought if the handbook writer by Withstood meant Immune then fury being immune to 238 Jaspers Reality warping shouldn't have been affected by 616 warping him either (even though he was more powerful then his 238 counterpart) because fury would be well, immune to reality warping. The amount put into the effect should be of no value since the being (the Fury) is immune.
After further reviewing the evidence presented, i say he will stop at 2
I originally had him stopped at 3....but i dont see the evidence, i actually see more evidence that in comics, just because one method could not stop someone another wont..
Fury withstood the CN
But was hurt in transit to the 616 universe
Just because someone is immune to cold does not make them immune to heat,just because someone is immune to the CN does not mean they will be immune to the Omega Effect..or even the power cosmic..not even if they work on the same premise...the CN is a machine
All this double talk about the CN and how it works and this travelling from one universe to another is pointless...fury was damaged by transit and was taken down by two heroes who are not even in the surfers league....for the story or not....Fury needs materials to repair and adapt, i dont see it.
Jaspers and his creation...overated...big time...its just my opinion 😉
