Re: Wonderwoman vs Juggernaut
Originally posted by jalek moye
ok since recently i've noticed a couple of people state how wonderman could take him and how it hapend in a crap crossover, i've decided to ask everyones take
could she beat him with out BFR
Yes. I'd gather that if she can remove his helmet, she can kill him with her tiara or sword. Or Render him imobile with her lasso. Or Command him to renounce his power or give up the gem to her. It takes a plot device power to beat a plot device character.
Re: Re: Wonderwoman vs Juggernaut
Originally posted by fangirl101What makes you believe she could cut him with her tiara or sword?
Yes. I'd gather that if she can remove his helmet, she can kill him with her tiara or sword. Or Render him imobile with her lasso. Or Command him to renounce his power or give up the gem to her. It takes a plot device power to beat a plot device character.
Re: Re: Wonderwoman vs Juggernaut
Originally posted by fangirl101
Yes. I'd gather that if she can remove his helmet, she can kill him with her tiara or sword. Or Render him imobile with her lasso. Or Command him to renounce his power or give up the gem to her. It takes a plot device power to beat a plot device character.
Originally posted by fangirl101
He's not that strong. He's not out muscling her. Is he catching her? Wrestle helmet from him? How about she just knocks it off?
Yeah, peoples had great success in just casually knocking his helmet off. The guys physically impossible to beat and if theirs one character that I think the lasso would be useless against, its Juggernaut.
Wonder Woman out muscle the Juggernaut.
The guy has stalemated or bested the Hulk, and Thor in physical matches. I don't think Wonder Woman is out muscling Juggernaut.
As for her cutting the Juggernaut's head off. It is true Magical items can and have bypassed Juggernaut's mystical enhancement before, but those only resulted in minor wounds or only minor things. I don't think Wonder Woman cut off Cain's head.
And even the minor wounds that the sword or tiara would inflict would heal up as he has a massive healing factor.
As to the lasso. As someone once before plot device. Cain is likely to pull a Slade as anything else.
Originally posted by Newjak Wonder Woman out muscle the Juggernaut.The guy has stalemated or bested the Hulk, and Thor in physical matches. I don't think Wonder Woman is out muscling Juggernaut.As for her cutting the Juggernaut's head off. It is true Magical items can and have bypassed Juggernaut's mystical enhancement before, but those only resulted from minor wounds or only minor things. I don't think Wonder Woman cut off Cain's head.And even the minor wounds that the sword or tiara would inflict would heal up as he has a massive healing factor.As to the lasso. As someone once before plot device. Cain is likely to pull a Slade as anything else.UM no. Wonder Woman is stronger than the Juggernaut by strength feats. Juggy wins stuff due to his durability. wondy will realize she can't punch him to death and then go for his helmet like she did in the cross over. And that character is canon to both marvel and DC. access I mean. Wonder Woman's Tiara beheads Gods. So you mean Juggy>>God?_ And Slade knows he is a comic character, which is why the lasso didn't work on him. Cain knows he is a comic character?
Originally posted by fangirl101Sorry did I not say it clearly.
UM no. Wonder Woman is stronger than the Juggernaut by strength feats. Juggy wins stuff due to his durability. wondy will realize she can't punch him to death and then go for his helmet like she did in the cross over. And that character is canon to both marvel and DC. access I mean. Wonder Woman's Tiara beheads Gods. So you mean Juggy>>God?_ And Slade knows he is a comic character, which is why the lasso didn't work on him. Cain knows he is a comic character?
Stalemated or overpowered the Hulk and Thos in bouts of physical strength!
Now yes in general Jugg's doesn't get lifting feats but those guy's do and anyone that can stalemate or best them is not being out muscled by WW.
It's like Darksied. He doesn't get very many lifting feats but he is still much storng than a lot of people physically that do.
Considering Cain has taken Godforce Blast from Thor, Survived being put into oblivion by Eternity. Yes I have my doubts that the Tiara would behead Cain.
And like I said Plot Device. Cain has over come many a magical attacks against persona. He is a plot device character much like Slade is. It would not surprise me if WW lassoed him and it fell around his feet like it did Slade.
Originally posted by Newjak
Sorry did I not say it clearly.Stalemated or overpowered the Hulk and Thos in bouts of physical strength!
Now yes in general Jugg's doesn't get lifting feats but those guy's do and anyone that can stalemate or best them is not being out muscled by WW.
It's like Darksied. He doesn't get very many lifting feats but he is still much storng than a lot of people physically that do.
Considering Cain has taken Godforce Blast from Thor, Survived being put into oblivion by Eternity. Yes I have my doubts that the Tiara would behead Cain.
And like I said Plot Device. Cain has over come many a magical attacks against persona. He is a plot device character much like Slade is. It would not surprise me if WW lassoed him and it fell around his feet like it did Slade.
Originally posted by fangirl101We've been over this before.
And Cain can take the Godforce blast and that is cute, but can't take Shatter Star's sword?
Cain's specific durability was able to be bypassed by Shatter Star's sword because it came from a different dimension, and this somehow became a PIS weakness for Cain.
It's never been shown again, to my knowledge, and it's really a fruitless point as Wonder Woman's weapons do not come from Mojo's world.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Nah. The lasso can over come beings who have had ultimate power. And Cain can take the Godforce blast and that is cute, but can't take Shatter Star's sword? I'm sure Wondy's tiara can do more than that sword. And I never said Wondy was out muscling cain. But he isn't out muscling her.
magical swords cuase minor injuries that seal right back up plus the scar arnt even gonna put him do if they do major injury he doesnt need his vital organs
Originally posted by jalek moye
he will out muscle her he cnt pretty much outmuscle anyone limitless stregtnthmagical swords cuase minor injuries that seal right back up plus the scar arnt even gonna put him do if they do major injury he doesnt need his vital organs
He doesn't have ****ing limitless strength. His strength limit isn't known. Niether is hers. He wont' out muscle her anyway because she could stand still and out maneuver him. She did the same to power girl who is far faster than cain.
What makes me wonder on those boards:
1) The high feats in DC don't matter in discussions. Any statement like unlimited str (without feats proving it) > DC str feats. Same is true for infinity, cosmics or battles.
2) DC chars are considered powerless if they don't have enough feats proving the contrary, it doesn't matter how far they are placed in the DC hierarchy. Marvel chars without feats are still considered infinite powerful, hyperbole or bragging is enough.
3) Low feats are an legal way to prove that an DC char would loose, while high feats are ignored because of the low feats. The low feats of Marvel chars are considered PIS and completly ignored, only high feats and assumptions, hyperbole are enough to prove the infinite power of an Marvel char (even if he lack the feats).
4) The MARVEL rating system (skyfather, herald etc) is forced upon DC chars even though those chars have feats beyond some of those levels. A DC char who has an similar counterpart in Marvel is autoplaced in the level of the Marvel char, all his feats don't matter then....
It's funny, but pretty onesided, at least that's my impression 😉
WW still ftw, better fighter, stronger, faster an better looking. 😛