The Great Evil Beast runs the Gauntlet

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The Beyonder was, what TOAA is now in a way.

Only TOAA was unheard of, because TOAA was basically Jim Shooter,
same guy who created the Beyonder/Secret Wars,
and was Editor in-Chief of Marvel at the time,
besides ALSO being the Writer of secret wars I-II.

And Jim Shooter placed himself BENEATH the Beyonder's power,

believe it or not, but read it for your self:

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The Beyonder between 1984 and 1986,
was everything outside the Marvel Multiverse, (Infinite Beyond)
was GOD before Genesis, (a Supreme Being)
and in comparison with the entire Marvel Reality the Beyond Realm was like an Ocean,
while the entire Marvel Reality was like a drop of water.

Writer's own words! ^^^ ✅

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Jim Shooter - creator/writer of Secret Wars/Beyonder
(while he was Editor in chief of Marvel)

Get's interviewed ... about the Beyonder.

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Marvel Age is an official Marvel title, created to strictly discuss Marvel stories,
and other intricacies concerning Marvel comics.

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Jim Shooter himself describes Classic Beyonder to us:

Jim states:

1. Beyonder "is a Multi-verse."

2. Beyonder "was like God before there was Genesis."

3. Beyonder's discovery of our Universe ... (Marvel Multiverse)

.... was like when inventor Leeuwenhoek, looked through his micro-scope ...

.... and discovered little paramecia swimming in a drop of water ... "

"We introduced the Beyonder
and established
that he was studying these beings - us - he had discovered"

swank

This is why Beyonder had to be retconned, (de-powered)
simply too much grander and power.

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MILLIONS of times more powerful than the Living Tribunal,
and the rest of Marvel combined:

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This is why!

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The LT was afraid of the Beyonder, Desperate in FACT:

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When Uatu gathered the Cosmic Hierarchy (the LT included)

the In-Betweener says about Mephisto,

"Surely this is his day of last resorts ... he is desperate ... AS ARE WE"

I believe "WE" included the LT ✅ (who is there)

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After Beyonder erased Death from the Multiverse,
the Hierarchy (including the LT) accepts their fate,

then the MM shows up and they all step aside: (as if salvation arrived)

LOL!

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Who's the ONLY being to ever make the LT tremble in fear?

Beyonder, that's who.

The Living Tribunal and the hierarchy literally,
were quaking in their pants at the thought of what Beyonder would do,
if Eternity failed,
when Eternity actually mustered some courage to attempt an attack:

"The Mighty of the MULTIVERSE (the LT included) TREMBLE"

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Originally posted by Mr Master
TOAA/god depends on the writer/artist and above all editor in-chief.

During Beyonder's reign,
Beyonder was the representative avatar of the writer/editor in-chief Jim Shooter,
in fact, Beyonder, according to Shooter himself, was really above even his avatar,
senseless as that is, that's how far the exaggeration of his power became.

Again, that's why the forced retcon came into play.

So what does this lead to?

TOAA/god is the Supreme being now.

According to Jim Shooter the WRITER/EDITOR in-Chief of all Marvel,
Beyonder was a GOD unto himself, in his own Reality,
and the entire infinite Marvel reality was like a drop of water to his ocean of a reality.

When Beyonder was around, he was the "Supreme being"
that came from another universe where he was also the Supreme being,
yes, he came to the Marvel Universe, took over, and became Reality. (Supreme being)

[B]Beyonder withIN the Marvel Reality:

"The Mightiest beings are microbes to me"

"Reality isn't real to me! Eveything is what I say it is"

"My imagination and reality are virtually indistinguishable"

"All Existence, except for me, might as well be a figment of my imagination"

"I who utterly dictate All Reality"

"As long as I conceive of things, they exist, in a fashion,
because my thoughts equal Reality" [/B]

So you assert that the supreme being of Marvel was weaker than the beyonder since he was so easily able to take over his reality? come now. Marvel has the same supreme being then as now. Care to explain how the beyonder could do such a thing? Ah the repetiveness of it all.

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Beyonder's top feat

Creating from nothingness ... the Beyond Realm
(a Reality septillions of times more infinite, than the infinite prime Multiverse)

"A Universe to which OUR OWN is as a droplet of Water to the Ocean"

=== note ===

There are roughly around 20-25 septillion drops of Water in the Ocean,
according to the Mathematical Biosciences Intitute in 2005
and the Scripps Institution of Oceanography.

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"OUR OWN" Universe ... is the infinite prime Multiverse:

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"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"

"Namely that it is Many-Layered

composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions,

indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"

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And now .. On Panel!

Beyonder's top feat

Creating from nothingness ... the Beyond Realm
(a Reality quintillions of times more infinite, than the infinite prime Multiverse)

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Beyonder CREATING/BECOMING the INFINITE Beyond:

"Masses form in the Void, Stars, Suns, and Planets ... LIFE Arises"

"Meeting NO resistance in the INFINITE BEYOND"

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"Evolves and Flourishes Within the New Universe,
BEGAT (brought into existence) by Beyonder's Power"

"Mortal Beings giving meaning to the INFINITY in which they dwell"

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swank

Btw. This infinity is actually an uberdiculous Multiverse:

"Beyonder, the entity that embodied all the substance of Another Multiverse"

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Just like Writer/Editor in-Chief, Jim Shooter stated in his interview. 🙂

Thanos became supreme beyond The Living Tribunal and Eternity the only 1 beyond them is TOAA within the comics. Do you know which writer made The Presence?? Morrison maybe? Thanos became TOAA because he was tricked into it. Morrison/Kirby all the way to the bank by your hierarchy it would seem 🙂

Originally posted by kevdude

Thanos became supreme beyond The Living Tribunal and Eternity the only 1 beyond them is TOAA within the comics.

Thanos became TOAA because he was tricked into it.

But I don't think it matters
why Thanos became the almighty supreme being of the Marvel Omniverse,
the fact is, he did become such.

Originally posted by kevdude

Do you know which writer made The Presence?? Morrison maybe?

Originally posted by kevdude

Morrison/Kirby all the way to the bank by your hierarchy it would seem 🙂

God is not supposed to be a transient being, nor mortal...writers and artists are

Originally posted by fangirl101

So you assert that the supreme being of Marvel was weaker than the beyonder since he was so easily able to take over his reality? come now.

That is all.

Originally posted by fangirl101

Marvel has the same supreme being then as now.
Care to explain how the beyonder could do such a thing?

Jim Shooter created Beyonder to be "God before genesis"

And that's what it is, and there's nothing any of us can do to dispute that.

Originally posted by fangirl101

Ah the repetiveness of it all.

In case you haven't noticed,
our verbal wars don't exist anymore, and never shall again.
Unnecessary sarcasm and condescending wannabee wit will be ignored,
followed by the poster him/herself being ignored as well.

Originally posted by Starscream M

God is not supposed to be a transient being, nor mortal...writers and artists are

The only connection real life has to comics,
is in the form of fictional representations (avatars) of real human beings.

And even then, it isn't real life,
but a fictional depiction through artistic illustrations of real life.

Classic beyonder no longer exists....he was considered supreme at a particular point in time based on information available at that time..ie interviews/panel feats etc etc....all of which was deemed inaccurate,( the new heads of marvel hated the classic beyonder ..whatever).. he was reworked as an incomplete cosmic cube , i think.....that is no different to real world situations that change as more knowledge becomes available...classic....the sun revolves around the earth and the earth was flat...these were considered fact at one point..not any more.....

Originally posted by Starscream M
God is not supposed to be...

Classic Beyonder is NOT supreme.

He may be a million times more powerful than the Marvel multiverse, but he was defeated by Molecule Man? Oh come on.

If it was GEB, he'd just absorb MM in complete darkness for all eternity.

He was under restrictions when defeated, he allowed it, by his own words.
He was supreme--as there was no one above him.

Originally posted by lannfear
Classic beyonder no longer exists....he was considered supreme at a particular point in time based on information available at that time..ie interviews/panel feats etc etc....all of which was deemed inaccurate,( the new heads of marvel hated the classic beyonder ..whatever).. he was reworked as an incomplete cosmic cube , i think.....that is no different to real world situations that change as more knowledge becomes available...classic....the sun revolves around the earth and the earth was flat...these were considered fact at one point..not any more.....

He stops GEB, at least stalemates him.

Originally posted by Astner
He was under restrictions when defeated, he allowed it, by his own words.
He was supreme--as there was no one above him.

There was someone above him. TOAA. then and now. Can the Classic Beyonder Beat The Kirby Avatar? Nope. Then he's not Supreme. He can't even stalemate him.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

Classic Beyonder is NOT supreme.

He may be a million times more powerful than the Marvel multiverse,
but he was defeated by Molecule Man? Oh come on.

Originally posted by Astner

He was under restrictions when defeated, he allowed it, by his own words.
He was supreme--as there was no one above him.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx

That's why when we refer to Beyonder's feats before the retcon,
he is called Pre Retcon Beyonder.

He stops GEB, at least stalemates him.

Originally posted by fangirl101

There was someone above him. TOAA. then and now.
Can the Classic Beyonder Beat The Kirby Avatar? Nope.
Then he's not Supreme. He can't even stalemate him.

TOAA wasn't even official back then,
if there was an un-official OAA back then,
then it was Jim Shooter/Al Milgrom (writer/artist) of the Secret Wars I-II series.

And guess what, well, you already know,
Jim created Beyonder to be a Supreme being,
in fact, to be "God before genesis"
and you know this,
I KNOW you know this, cause I've posted it so many times even I tire of it,
but darn, that intransigence is just mind boggling, seriously no offense, but jeesh!

btw. Jim was also the Editor in-Chief of Marvel back then,
which gave him even more power to do whatever the heck he wanted,
and he did,
he created a character so exaggerated, (Beyonder)
and gave another character so much power (Molecule Man)
that Marvel had to de-power them once Shooter left.

Originally posted by Mr Master
😆 ... I always enjoy ignorant statements made with confidence.

👆 ... Well, at-least the ignorance isn't everywhere.

✅

Kirby avatar?

TOAA wasn't even official back then,
if there was an un-official OAA back then,
then it was Jim Shooter/Al Milgrom (writer/artist) of the Secret Wars I-II series.

And guess what, well, you already know,
Jim created Beyonder to be a Supreme being,
in fact, to be "[/i]God before genesis[/i]"
and [b]you know this,
I KNOW you know this, cause I've posted it so many times even I tire of it,
but darn, that intransigence is just mind boggling, seriously no offense, but jeesh! [/B]

Except we know that the beyonder wasn't the supreme being. He wasn't. He didn't create the marvel multiverse that he was so enthralled with. he quite a dummy as well. He was NOT a supreme being. And he was said to BASICALLY be God. And yet, he was a puppet of The One above all.

Originally posted by fangirl101

Except we know that the beyonder wasn't the supreme being. He wasn't. He didn't create the marvel multiverse that he was so enthralled with. he quite a dummy as well. He was NOT a supreme being. And he was said to BASICALLY be God. And yet, he was a puppet of The One above all.

I told ya I wouldn't entertain circles of intransigence anymore.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Except we know that the beyonder wasn't the supreme being. He wasn't. He didn't create the marvel multiverse that he was so enthralled with. he quite a dummy as well. He was NOT a supreme being. And he was said to BASICALLY be God. And yet, he was a puppet of The One above all.