OMEGA RED vs, DEATHSTROKE

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Find one thing, in the scans I provided that Batman can replicate. Please.

Gundy isn't a top tier. Batman does "well" against Superman with prep and kryptonite. Attack Darkseid and surviving is the same as "doing well" and Darkseid is a notorious jobber. And none of that translated into martial art skill.

and even with the scan of supposed skill, against Hirom, Shang Chi looks to be in pretty sad shape..I dont think you should use that to build him up

you think Shang Chi can survive against an angry superman 🙄

Originally posted by Starscream M
batman has survived against a mindcontrolled Superman coming after him. (without kryptonite or prep)..Shang Chi has done nothing close to rival that

and even with the scan of supposed skill, against Hirom, Shang Chi looks to be in pretty sad shape..I dont think you should use that to build him up

you think Shang Chi can survive against an angry superman 🙄

Do you think Batman can survive against an angry Superman?

Anyway. Batman has shown he can't take down Lady Shiva in a fair fight. He has shown he can't take down Richard Dragon in a fair fight. He has been on the run for an intire fight from Batgirl when she was just trying to kiss him. Batman can't beat this people; the very best he can do is stalemate them. None of them - not a single one - have shown the same level of skill as Shang Chi. Not of them have shown a level of speed, power or versatily on par with Shang Chi. If Batman isn't skilled enough to take Lady Shiva, Dragon, or Cass in a straight no questions asked fight, then he CAN'T beat Shang Chi.

There is no way in hell Batman is as skilled as Shang Chi.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Since clearly none of you have any idea who Shang Chi here are some scans. Read comics people. Read them or don't open your mouths. Now, please let me know which of the fallowing feats you feel Batman, Dragon, Cass, or Shiva would be able to replicate.

[b]Wisdom 03: Skill / Speed / Durability / Chi

Shang Chi confronts a dragon in human form. He ends up fight a score of gangsters and totally decimates them with out taking a single hit. The bar keep tries to shoot Shang Chi, but he shows his bullet time speed. Then he starts fighting the Dragon... and stops half way through the fight to have a brief conversation WHILE STANDING ON THE CEILING. The dragon shifts out of his human form and lands a colossal upper cut on Shang Chi that rockets him through the building and thousands of feet into the air. The dragon flys up to catch him on his way down and they both slam hard into the ground. Shang Chi is unhurt... in fact he is happy.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg09.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg11.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg14.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg15.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg17.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg18.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg19.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg20.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg21.jpg

Heroes for Hire 12: Strength / Skill / Chi

Shang Chi amps his body to take a direct punch from Hiroim. Hiroim posses the Old Strong, which gives him Hulk like strength among other abilities. Shang Chi briefly grapples with him before being over powered.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Heroes_for_Hire_12_10Strength-1.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Heroes_for_Hire_12_12Strength-1.jpg

Marvel Comics Presents 156: Skill / Speed

Shang Chi spins around so fast he creates a miniature tornado that conceals his body. He then moves out of the tornado and flanks his opponents with out them realising it. Takes of the shooters down with a subtle tap to the neck and blitzes another.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/MarvelComicsPresents156b-11-1.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/MarvelComicsPresents156b-12-1.jpg

Marvel Comics Presents 158: Skill / Chi

Shang Chi uses one of his chi abilities - the Silent Scream - to end his fight with Lazarus. It shatters all the windows in the church he is fighting in and kos Lazarus.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/MarvelComicsPresents158b-16-1.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/MarvelComicsPresents158b-17-1.jpg [/B]

where do you pull this bull faeces that Shang Chi is somehow superior to Shiva, Dragon, etc? you seem to state that as fact when it is far from such.

Shang Chi is barely a toptier fighter in marvel, and you are gonna claim he is somehow much superior to DC's best fighters? what a joke

also, you also made an erroneous statement that Cap America is more skilled than batman. That is clearly false, since Bats was able to stalemate Cap DESPITE Cap having every physical advantage.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Find one thing, in the scans I provided that Batman can replicate. Please.

See, and he's more skilled by your own words?

Nice job, hypocrite.

Originally posted by Starscream M
where do you pull this bull faeces that Shang Chi is somehow superior to Shiva, Dragon, etc? you seem to state that as fact when it is far from such.

Shang Chi is barely a toptier fighter in marvel, and you are gonna claim he is somehow much superior to DC's best fighters? what a joke

also, you also made an erroneous statement that Cap America is more skilled than batman. That is clearly false, since Bats was able to stalemate Cap DESPITE Cap having every physical advantage.

Shang Chi is an amazing martial artist. In terms of skill he is a mirror image of Shiva or Dragon; but he can also do crazy as chi feats. If he was in DC's he'd be buying for the top spot. But in Marvel he has to compete against Captain America, (who is much, older, has much more experience, learns at superhuman rate and spent hundreds of years repeating the same situation and kept his memories), Wolverine (who his much older, has much more experience, has been trained Ogun - who uses quasi-mystical abilities in his training - and has been hinted as being the constantly reincarnating "Hand of God"😉, and Elektra (magic, magic, magic). DC's MA's are much more grounded in reality.

Now you are citing cross overs for evidence. Ohhhhhhhhhhh christ. Wolverine beat Lobo! ZOMG! Hitman beat Lobo! ZOMG! Get your head out of the sand please.

Originally posted by Juntai
Show me Captain America replicating those.

See, and he's more skilled by your own words?

Nice job, hypocrite.

My saying Captain America is more skilled is based off the fact that he was said to be more skilled on panel, and is more or less Wolverine's equal in skill - Wolverine of course being one of the few people to beat Shang Chi, let alone humiliate him. When Zaran the Weapon Master tried to redeem himself for getting mud-stomped by Shang Chi, he went after Captain America because Cap was better (then he went after Wolverine when Cap beat him up).

Can Captain America or Wolverine replicate those feats? No, but Wolverine not being able to bust out Chi abilities was attributed to his adamantium skeleton and him not having piece of mind and piece of body (he is fundamentally at odds with himself)... I don't know if Cap has an excuse. Wolverine has shown himself to be the more skilled of the two and Cap is more or less Logan's equal.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
My saying Captain America is more skilled is based off the fact that he was said to be more skilled on panel, and is more or less Wolverine's equal in skill - Wolverine of course being one of the few people to beat Shang Chi, let alone humiliate him. When Zaran the Weapon Master tried to redeem himself for getting mud-stomped by Shang Chi, he went after Captain America because Cap was better (then he went after Wolverine when Cap beat him up).

Can Captain America or Wolverine replicate those feats? No, but Wolverine not being able to bust out Chi abilities was attributed to his adamantium skeleton and him not having piece of mind and piece of body (he is fundamentally at odds with himself)... I don't know if Cap has an excuse. Wolverine has shown himself to be the more skilled of the two and Cap is more or less Logan's equal.

Originally posted by Juntai
Cool, as long as you realise you're a hypocrite.

So... are you caving and admitting I'm right?

Anyway, don't really see how I'm a hypocrite since the situation isn't the same at all. Both Captain America and Wolverine are established as being superior to Shang-Chi in skill. It's cannon. In a world of super crazy chi throwing MA's they are considered the top of the heap; the most skilled. They don't need to display the same abilities because apparently their raw skill is enough to make up for their inability to use chi. Not really the same thing, since they are established as superior, Batman isn't.

But what is there to suggest that Batman, Shiva, Cass or Dragon are better than Chi? Nothing. They've never delt with someone like him. If Captain America and Wolverine had never had run ins with Shang Chi and his villains that firmly established they where his better, I would say he was more skilled then they are too... but they have.

Why is the fact that Shang Chi can't beat Captain America, or Wolverine detrimental to Shang Chi? Why isn't it a bonus for Captain America or Wolverine. I submit to you that Wolverine and Cap are more skilled than Batman BECAUSE they can beat Shang Chi, not that he is weaker for losing. The only bases for that is the misguided believe tha Batman = Captain America. Well, that's just not true. Fact is Marvel's MA's are just superior to DC's.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only bases for that is the misguided believe tha Batman = Captain America. Well, that's just not true.

yep...cuz srank said so.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yep...cuz srank said so.

Because the comics say so. Captain America has beaten foes who are more skilled than Batman. Thus Captain America is more skilled. 😈

all arkady has to do is wrap his tenticles around slade's arms and torso to end the fight. deathstroke lacks the strength and leverage to free himself and the death factor will furthar sap his life even if he somehow frees himself, thus leading to furthar entanglement/exposure.

To be fair, Batman is well known, and often mocked on here, for doing things that Wolverine, Captain America, and probably the entire Avenger's team wouldnt be able to match. Do I agree with it? Of course not, but if you are using that logic, its a fact.

One thing to add, I wish they would do more with Shang Chi. I like that he represents what a human (in a comicbook world) can do without a mutant ability or a SSS. Just through hardwork and training he can hang with some big names. They should give him a montage where he trains more with another old teacher with a long white beard, sits under a waterfall, and crushes a rock into dust using his chi-charged glutes. Then he could come out of nowhere and rip Punisher's heart out of his chest and put a end to his ridiculous KMC threads.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So... are you caving and admitting I'm right?

Anyway, don't really see how I'm a hypocrite since the situation isn't the same at all. Both Captain America and Wolverine are established as being superior to Shang-Chi in skill. It's cannon. In a world of super crazy chi throwing MA's they are considered the top of the heap; the most skilled. They don't need to display the same abilities because apparently their raw skill is enough to make up for their inability to use chi. Not really the same thing, since they are established as superior, Batman isn't.

But what is there to suggest that Batman, Shiva, Cass or Dragon are better than Chi? Nothing. They've never delt with someone like him. If Captain America and Wolverine had never had run ins with Shang Chi and his villains that firmly established they where his better, I would say he was more skilled then they are too... but they have.

Why is the fact that Shang Chi can't beat Captain America, or Wolverine detrimental to Shang Chi? Why isn't it a bonus for Captain America or Wolverine. I submit to you that Wolverine and Cap are more skilled than Batman BECAUSE they can beat Shang Chi, not that he is weaker for losing. The only bases for that is the misguided believe tha Batman = Captain America. Well, that's just not true.

You say; Captain America and Wolverine are both far better than Shang Chi.... and that Shang Chi > Batman, because he can do cool chi moves.

I say; Show me scans of Captain America doing cool chi moves.

You say; He can't.

I say; You're a hypocrit.

What's not to get?

Obviously, this tells us you don't need cool chi moves to beat Shang Chi.

Fact is Marvel's MA's are just superior to DC's.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You are an idiot.

Shang Chi is a master of every martial art. Batman isn't.

Shang Chi has beaten other fighters who are masters of every martial art... several of them... at the same time. Batman hasn't.

Shang Chi has amped his durability enough to take a direct hit from Hiriom - who with the old strong was almost as strong as the Hulk. Batman hasn't.

Shang Chi has an array of powerful chi based techniques like the Silent Scream. Batman doesn't.

Shang Chi is a monster. He isn't in Marvel's top three, because Marvel's top three is composed of people far superior to DCs.

Wow. What a biased hypocrite.
Whoever said that Marvel's top 3 are far superior than DCs?

Shang Chi uses chi-based powers, Batman does not.
But Batman is an example of a 'perfect' human superhero. The physical, emotional, and mental peak only a human can achieve. I doubt Shang Chi has the confidence or mental capacity to face Batman H2H

Shang Chi is NOT as smart or intelligent as Batman. That is his greatest flaw.
Show me a 'human' superhero in Marvel who is smarter than Batman.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because the comics say so. Captain America has beaten foes who are more skilled than Batman. Thus Captain America is more skilled. 😈

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because the comics say so. Captain America has beaten foes who are more skilled than Batman. Thus Captain America is more skilled. 😈

i really hope you weren't serious, and that was just some witty sarcasm...

also, for this fight, i got to go with omega red... just recently he took on colossus and wolverine and was doing pretty well for himself...

Originally posted by Raoul
i really hope you weren't serious, and that was just some witty sarcasm...

also, for this fight, i got to go with omega red... just recently he took on colossus and wolverine and was doing pretty well for himself...

I just want to add something.

I read a few pages back someone (I think it was srankmissingnin) saying that because Wolverine is a master of of every known Martial Arts he is a better fighter than Batman.

This statement is simply false.

Just because someone knows more martial arts styles does not mean he is a better fighter. For example, all other variables held constant, if one guy has mastered 100 martial arts, and another guy has mastered 70, but the latter is superior in all 70 forms, then he is going to win. I've seen a taekwando/judo/kickboxing master get his ass handed to him by a brazilian jujitsu master.

Its about the quality of the fighter not the quantity of styles he's mastered.