Colossus vs Namor

Originally posted by K3VIL
Colossus fanboysm in this discussion is even over that of GrimmThing for Benji.
Colossus is a low/mid level Class 100 guy, wanna say he can lift about a thousand tons?
Namor on an island, so near water but still on the ground, was fighting demigod Hercules and showing his own, showing why Poseidon himself call him "my son".
Namor has experience, durability, strength, reflexes, agility, fighting skills, all above Colossus.
Colossus mobility is nowhere near that of the Avenging Son.
He can leap high and fast with his legs, but wanna compare super jumps with flight and especially, the flight experience of about a century?
Namor has fought an hulk possessed by an evil sorcerer who was tapping into Hulk power, and still managed to contain him and even knock him off his feet without being owned.
Colossus has toppled Jugg, but still got defeated, same with Gladiator.
Colossus is X-Men's strong guy, like Benji is F4 strong guy, but compared to big guns like Wonder Man, Namor, Hercules, Thor, etc. they are rookies.

Just two things I want to change there.

Colossus does have the advantage in both durability and endurance/stamina by a mile against Namor. That much is true. Namor still wins, however. He has many more feats showing that he is superior.

And, I really don't think it's fair to consider both Colossus and Thing rookies compared to these guys. Sure, they're older and stronger, but these two have definitely proven themselvse over the years, to these powerhouses and others. Sure, they're not on the same level persay, but to call them rookies seems a bit harsh.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Just two things I want to change there.

Colossus does have the advantage in both durability and endurance/stamina by a mile against Namor. That much is true. Namor still wins, however. He has many more feats showing that he is superior.

And, I really don't think it's fair to consider both Colossus and Thing rookies compared to these guys. Sure, they're older and stronger, but these two have definitely proven themselvse over the years, to these powerhouses and others. Sure, they're not on the same level persay, but to call them rookies seems a bit harsh.

Originally posted by K3VIL
Wrong on calling them rookies, but they are still outclassed.

Agreed.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
In a Marvel handbook. Do you guys think Marvel just hires these guys out of nowhere? With no comic knowledge? There is more than one guy who writes these bios etc.

That bio is still more than what you guys have as proof.

If Handbooks wer accurate, then sure they would serve as proof.

They arent. You can find errors everywhere.

Originally posted by K3VIL
Colossus fanboysm in this discussion is even over that of GrimmThing for Benji.
Colossus is a low/mid level Class 100 guy, wanna say he can lift about a thousand tons?
Namor on an island, so near water but still on the ground, was fighting demigod Hercules and showing his own, showing why Poseidon himself call him "my son".
Namor has experience, durability, strength, reflexes, agility, fighting skills, all above Colossus.
Colossus mobility is nowhere near that of the Avenging Son.
He can leap high and fast with his legs, but wanna compare super jumps with flight and especially, the flight experience of about a century?
Namor has fought an hulk possessed by an evil sorcerer who was tapping into Hulk power, and still managed to contain him and even knock him off his feet without being owned.
Colossus has toppled Jugg, but still got defeated, same with Gladiator.
Colossus is X-Men's strong guy, like Benji is F4 strong guy, but compared to big guns like Wonder Man, Namor, Hercules, Thor, etc. they are rookies.

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Wonder man...

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THOR, Herc ok... Namor maybe...

But Wonder man...

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Originally posted by olympian
If Handbooks wer accurate, then sure they would serve as proof.

They arent. You can find errors everywhere.

Imo Colossus has more skills than Namor does. I still think strength is pretty damm close between these two.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
It's all opinions. The content in handbooks is based off content in comics. I think the handbooks should be used in debates rather than comics myself peronally. Because the bios are suppose to state the limits of the characters and when a comic goes past that it should be call the infamous PIS that i hear alot about. That way PIS should not be arguable cause if they go over their limits it makes it rather obvious.

Imo Colossus has more skills than Namor does. I still think strength is pretty damm close between these two.

Are you actually implying that handbooks>>>>>>>>>>comic books? 🤨

Originally posted by Tony Stark
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Thats a very similar veiwpoint to the one that you have about EXTREMIS Iron man and his flying out past the moon... Right?

Because It happened in a cannon mag doesn't mean it doesn't count.

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I agree. There trying to amp them up to DC levels.

Originally posted by batdude123
Are you actually implying that handbooks>>>>>>>>>>comic books? 🤨

Parts are handbooks are good, but even the entries I posted in the respect thread had several bio-history errors not just the stats.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
That's not what I said. I said it's rediculous what Marvel is doing with IM these days. I never said it didn't count. 😉

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Why is it rediculous? It's just your basic "hero gets uber powerful and corrupted" story. Those are done all the time. We know eventually he'll be de-powered. And it's actually been a decent read so it seems to me you just don't like that Stark's getting a power-up.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
It's all opinions. The content in handbooks is based off content in comics. I think the handbooks should be used in debates rather than comics myself peronally. Because the bios are suppose to state the limits of the characters and when a comic goes past that it should be call the infamous PIS that i hear alot about. That way PIS should not be arguable cause if they go over their limits it makes it rather obvious.

Imo Colossus has more skills than Namor does. I still think strength is pretty damm close between these two.

I hear what youre saying snoop. Personally, i think its the handbooks that should get tossed out the window. The people who do them obviously dont read enough comics that some of the characters appear in and just mostly probably go off heresay and/or the 60's,70's or 80's. That the good thing i like about DC. They dont limit their characters to scales and handbooks to define them and their abilities. Marvel does that. By giving a character like Namor or Colossus a 6 in strength meaning they cant lift over 100 tons, is limiting them as characters and isnt giving them a chance to develop imo.

One may say "But the handbook has blah blah as a 2 in strength.", but they may show to be in the 3 or 4 class on a consistant basis in the comics. That alone starts up whole new debates. I think we should just go off what is coinsistant with the character instead of a bio or stat.

howcum theree is isnt any post at this time of day, but theres like 20 guys on this forum.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
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Wonder man...

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THOR, Herc ok... Namor maybe...

But Wonder man...

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Originally posted by K3VIL
Wonder Man is a respectable hero, he's showed his own against Thor, and when focused his ionic powers make him a high class 100 guy, his durability is incredible, Hyperion used him to drill through a small planet a he was still alive, he can fly reaching escape velocity and his reflexes made those around him looking very slow if they aren't at least enhanced humans.

Originally posted by K3VIL
Wonder Man is a respectable hero, he's showed his own against Thor, and when focused his ionic powers make him a high class 100 guy, his durability is incredible, Hyperion used him to drill through a small planet a he was still alive, he can fly reaching escape velocity and his reflexes made those around him looking very slow if they aren't at least enhanced humans.

Still saying that guys like Colosssus and Thing are rookies compared to Wonder Man is bogus 🤨

Hell saying they are rookies compared to anyone is bogus

Thing made the classic wonderman look like a chump.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I'm implying Comics are too inconsistent. Handbooks are written in stone.

Nay. Comics wer created on the first day.

Handbooks came on the seventh. Its obvious who holds more water.