What do you guys think the outcome would be between with current Hulk and Current Namor? In water? And on land? I mean, their power levels have changed a lot since their previous fights. What's the most recent fight between those two? I remember group of guys (including ironman, Namor, Samson, Wonderman and Hercules) against mindless Hulk on a rampge.
Originally posted by Grimm22Ben has never beat him on land...Namor has had the edge on land at least three times too, if I remember it correctly...
Actually he has had some pretty impressive showings on land as well as in the water 😐Namor has beaten Ben before on land, its just that 95% of the time Ben beats him on land and Namor beats him in water although neither of them are bad in either terrain 😉
Originally posted by JyppeNot sure. I'd give Namor possibly 5-7/10 over Hulk. He has that healing factor and adaptability to the water, plus he'd get stronger during the whole fight. Depends how fast Namor will deal with him. He needs to go all out in the beginning and do his gigantic whirlpools and more.
What do you guys think the outcome would be between with current Hulk and Current Namor? In water? And on land? I mean, their power levels have changed a lot since their previous fights. What's the most recent fight between those two? I remember group of guys (including ironman, Namor, Samson, Wonderman and Hercules) against mindless Hulk on a rampge.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerNamor has never beaten Thing on land. He only beats him in the water. Namor only beats anybody in the water. Who has he beaten out of the water? The strength contest I mentioned is the only contest of strenth between Namor and Thing. And Thing won. All of the fights Namor won were due to the water factor.Yippee, let's all use ONE 60's Fantastic Four comic to prove that Thing is stronger. Let's ignore the facts that Namor has knocked out Thing with one move...THREE times. Let's ignore the fact that Namor was portrayed as a weakling compared to his current status then. And let's ignore all the other showings where Namor's strength has been shown to move around Thing like nothing.
I know! I'll do the same!
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerWow that didn't work for me. Why? Cause Colossus was shot in the back when Iron Man shot him. It's a little different when you take a shot head on rather than getting shot unexpetedly.
See! This is Colossus being hurt by Iron Man's repulsor blasts!
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7493/colossushurt4pz.jpgAnd here is Namor taking full dose of them and he is unhurt! See! See?
!http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/2789/namorfeat1111ip.gifI hereby now declare that Namor is more durable then Colossus!
Yay, we should all base our debates and cling to one scan...
...or let's not. Why? Because every character has low showings. Colossus has other durability feats that put him above being hurt by Iron Man's repulsor blasts. Namor has other other feats that show that his strenght is above being dragged out from sea by Thing. And feats that put him way above Colossus in strength.
Using one showing as the basis of your entire point is...uhh...a very bad thing.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerYour not listening. Marvel says Colossus is a better fighter than Namor is. Truth be told it doesn't matter what you think. He trains in the Danger Room. He trains more than just fighting h2h. They have obstacles, tests etc. You make is sound like Namor is thousands of years old or something. He's only 85 years old. Namor has hardly been shown to train. Due to lack of training feats it's obvious that Colossus has better skill. It's written in stone.
And handbooks are disregarded here for a reason.Can I show Namor training in a gym? No. Because unlike Colossus, he has honed his skills from eighty-five years of endless battle alongside training. Can I show you scans of Namor fighting people that Colossus won't have a chance of being equal in fight? Hell yeah. Can I show you scans of Namor stating that he has skills because he has been fighting his entire life? Of course I can. Can I show scans of Namor stating that Judo (Colossus's main fighting style, by the way) is primitive fighting art? You bet your head that I can!
Now, can you show me even half as many scans of Colossus fighting (and being pretty much equal with) opponents that Namor has fought? No, you can't. Because Namor has been fighting for longer then Colossus can even dream of. He's fought gods when Colossus's grandfather was still in his diapers. He's fought interdimensional demons before Colossus's father was even old enough to legally have sex. His experience AND skills absolutely DWARF Colossus's, and he has fights and feats to show that.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerWhat about that time he fought Hulk with the Avengers with him and he was weakend almost instantly? I'm sure there are plenty of other cases but you don't wanna show them.Low showing syndroma is something that you have problems with, have you?
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerTie on land.And I say that Namor will defeat him 8/10, because Colossus's only edge is durability, and Namor has advantage in everything else, as proven through feats.
i personally dont believe that namor spends much time training anyway, simply becuase his arrogance matches his strentgh he generally believes he can best anyone he faces anyway. he just cant bring himslef to think that someone can best him, so i dont see him hitting the gym and going crazy..my thoughts are..when colossus is busy in the danger room, Namor is just having his pick of the royal concubines, and is just pimpin real hard
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Namor has never beaten Thing on land. He only beats him in the water. Namor only beats anybody in the water. Who has he beaten out of the water? The strength contest I mentioned is the only contest of strenth between Namor and Thing. And Thing won. All of the fights Namor won were due to the water factor.
No...they were because of the strength factor. Thing's durability is not lessened at all because of water...and Namor has knocked him out. Three times. With one punch. When Thing punches Namor, he does not knock him out. When Namor punches Thing, he gets knocked out. And one time was even on land.
And not only that, but Namor also has greater strength showings then that.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I know! I'll do the same!
Wow that didn't work for me. Why? Cause Colossus was shot in the back when Iron Man shot him. It's a little different when you take a shot head on rather than getting shot unexpetedly.
Let's see, one shot in the back...Colossus is knocked down
And Namor takes FULL power shot straight to face...and isn't affected at all. That's not the only shot of him taking
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Your not listening. Marvel says Colossus is a better fighter than Namor is. Truth be told it doesn't matter what you think. He trains in the Danger Room. He trains more than just fighting h2h. They have obstacles, tests etc. You make is sound like Namor is thousands of years old or something. He's only 85 years old. Namor has hardly been shown to train. Due to lack of training feats it's obvious that Colossus has better skill. It's written in stone.
No, Marvel does not say anything. I have stated this many times.
There is no guy named "Marvel". There is just some guy who makes those things. Handbook makers have not researched Namor appearences, so they put him at Class 85 and put his skills to pathetic 3. And that some guy does not go over comics in canon.
Again. Comic showings override Handbook showings. And Namor has better comic showings.
And Namor trains through the real deal. He's had more battles in his life then Colossus will ever have and has had them against people who dwarf Colossus pretty much in everything. Unlike Colossus, who trains in Danger Room, where there isn't real danger. Namor fights in life and death situations in addition to his training, and has done it FAAAR longer then Colossus has. He has more battle feats then Colossus has training AND battle feats combined.
And Namor is the supreme commander of entire army. It is obvious that he is extremely skilled warrior, especially when it has been stated multiple times.
Namor has greater skills, greater experience and greater showings. And I have proof of them. Just because he has not shown to train in somewhere else then a real fighting situation, it does not mean that the training is not equal...it's even better then makeshift training.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
What about that time he fought Hulk with the Avengers with him and he was weakend almost instantly? I'm sure there are plenty of other cases but you don't wanna show them.
That was in desert when heat was sapping his strength.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Tie on land.
Yet you have nothing to prove that Colossus is better or even equal in any other category then durability.
8/10 to Namor.
Originally posted by manjaro
i personally dont believe that namor spends much time training anyway, simply becuase his arrogance matches his strentgh he generally believes he can best anyone he faces anyway. he just cant bring himslef to think that someone can best him, so i dont see him hitting the gym and going crazy..my thoughts are..when colossus is busy in the danger room, Namor is just having his pick of the royal concubines, and is just pimpin real hard
His training is through real battles.
Here are some scans of Colossus' skill. Oh and more importantly this was a teenage version of Colossus in most scans.
Tosses She-Hulk like she isn't a threat.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/uncannyxmenannual07page152yo.jpg
Uses some acrobatic skill to knock Classic Juggernaut on his @ss(For the second time).
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandJuggernaut1022.jpg
Speed that belies his massive form? Two huge robots? Shooting lazers?
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandMandroids.jpg
Nice dislpay of skill to beat somebody stronger than him. Fancy foot work?
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandAntaeus.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandAntaeus2.jpg
Colossus' skill is even used as a training excersise in the danger room. He defeated the New X-men with 7 to 1 odds. Colossus beat them with his skill.
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7008/colossus11hf.gif
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7186/colossus27oa.gif
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/4643/colossus33dw.gif
Regarless Colossus is a more skilled fighter than Namor is. Wolverins even calls Colossus his sparring partner. And we all know how Namor handles Wolverine. There isn't enough time in a day to post scans of his training sessions.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Ben has never beat him on land...Namor has had the edge on land at least three times too, if I remember it correctly...
Eh im just thinking off the top of my head 😬
I do know that Ben has beaten him before on land and has had some good showings of fighting Namor in the water although i've never seen him beat him in the water 😐
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Regardless Colossus is a more skilled fighter than Namor is. Wolverine even calls Colossus his sparring partner. And we all know how Namor handles Wolverine. There isn't enough time in a day to post scans of his training sessions.
Namor has a LOT more experience than both Wolverine and Colossus 😐
Namor dosent train because he dosent need too and he's the freakin KING of atlantis he dosent have time to train.
Oh and I would assume that Wolverine calls Colossus his sparring partner because they train together, but thats just me 😉
Originally posted by Grimm22Wolverine is older than Namor is and has alot more experience. Don't even go there man.
Namor has a LOT more experience than both Wolverine and Colossus 😐Namor dosent train because he dosent need too and he's the freakin KING of atlantis he dosent have time to train.
Oh and I would assume that Wolverine calls Colossus his sparring partner because they train together, but thats just me 😉
You don't think training builds up experience? Colossus has plenty of field experience and training experience. That's why Thing holds his own against the big dogs is cause of his skills. Do you think Namor has more skills than Thing?
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Wolverine is older than Namor is and has alot more experience. Don't even go there man.You don't think training builds up experience? Colossus has plenty of field experience and training experience. That's why Thing holds his own against the big dogs is cause of his skills. Do you think Namor has more skills than Thing?
Im not arguing Colossus's skills and don't bring Ben into the subject 😐
First off Namor has been around nearly as long as Wolverine if not longer 😬
Other than that Namor lives in the bottom of the ocean so in a sense his body never stops training 😐
Originally posted by Grimm22Actually nobody knows for sure how old Wolverine is. He is alot older than Namor is. That's for sure. Wolverine has the field and training experience.
Im not arguing Colossus's skills and don't bring Ben into the subject 😐First off Namor has been around nearly as long as Wolverine if not longer 😬
Other than that Namor lives in the bottom of the ocean so in a sense his body never stops training 😐
I used Ben as a reference cause he's only about 35 or so in comic time and Namor is 85. Does that mean Namor has more skills than Ben?
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Actually nobody knows for sure how old Wolverine is. He is alot older than Namor is. That's for sure. Wolverine has the field and training experience.I used Ben as a reference cause he's only about 35 or so in comic time and Namor is 85. Does that mean Namor has more skills than Ben?
Pretty much...yeah 😐
Oh and Wolverine was born in the late 1800's so yeah 😐
Namor is well over 100 years old
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Here are some scans of Colossus' skill. Oh and more importantly this was a teenage version of Colossus in most scans.Tosses She-Hulk like she isn't a threat.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/uncannyxmenannual07page152yo.jpg
She-Hulk, who had just started as Avenger and had no fighting training at all?
Namor's speed and skill have surprised the likes of Daredevil and Spider-Man who are both faster and better fighters the She-Hulk:
http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey16pb.gif
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30708285261.gif&s=x11
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Uses some acrobatic skill to knock Classic Juggernaut on his @ss(For the second time).http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandJuggernaut1022.jpg[/url]
Acrobatics...Namor certainly does not have it...
Oh, wait:
http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/2339/namorfeat1243cq.gif
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4188/namorskills228ad.png
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4173/namorfeat1181eq.gif
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Speed that belies his massive form? Two huge robots? Shooting lazers?http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandMandroids.jpg
Crazy demonic versions of Marvel Heroes which were infused with Dormammus power? While having a peaceful speech with Doctor Strange and not even really paying attention to the opponents?
http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namordemon14us.gif
http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namordemon27du.gif
http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namordemon34jd.gif
http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namordemon42qm.gif
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Nice dislpay of skill to beat somebody stronger than him. Fancy foot work?http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandAntaeus.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandAntaeus2.jpg
Punching someone who is stronger, not giving him time to defend? Not a skill that Namor would not have mastered.
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5644/namorvsdarkhulk40yd.gif
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Colossus' skill is even used as a training excersise in the danger room. He defeated the New X-men with 7 to 1 odds. Colossus beat them with his skill.http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7008/colossus11hf.gif
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7186/colossus27oa.gif
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/4643/colossus33dw.gif
More like using the strategy. They were undisclipined kids that were hurting themselves more then Colossus. Kind of like the fellows in this picture:
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5811/namorski7zd.png
And that's Namor using only his instincts.
Originally posted by snoopdoggOnly that for every feat you show, I have more and better ones...
Regarless Colossus is a more skilled fighter than Namor is.
Namor is more skilled.
Originally posted by snoopdoggAnd Hercules, Thor and Captain America call Namor their sparring partner.
Wolverins even calls Colossus his sparring partner. And we all know how Namor handles Wolverine. There isn't enough time in a day to post scans of his training sessions.
And there is not enough time for me to post all the fights Namor's been through...
Originally posted by Grimm22Gotta correct this. 😬
Pretty much...yeah 😐Oh and Wolverine was born in the late 1800's so yeah 😐
Namor is well over 100 years old
Namor was born in 1920, making him 86 years old.
Wolverine was born in beginning of 1900's/end of 1800's making him somewhere between 120-100 years old.
Wolverine has more experience then Namor does.
I believe that Colossus is not over 30 though...
