Republicans, they start wars, break the economy, don't help the needy, don't care about people's health, don't care about people's rights, lie to the public, do whatever they can so multi-million businesses stay on top, but at least they care about family values, and that's all that matters right now.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Republicans, they start wars, break the economy, don't help the needy, don't care about people's health, don't care about people's rights, lie to the public, do whatever they can so multi-million businesses stay on top, but at least they care about family values, and that's all that matters right now.
Bit like the Democrats...
Originally posted by Tempe Brennan
I would not vote for him, even if I could. He should have been voted out of office in 04.
No he shouldn't...he won the election.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Ending the Iraq war would surely put a huge number back into the budget, and lets not forget, like all left wingers, he's only taking money from the rich, those that got a stupid tax cut from Bush, forcing the middle class to pay more than they can. But of course, IOKIYAR.
Nice policy- invade...OK lets withdraw and leave the guys with our mess...again.
Originally posted by KidRock
I laugh at all the Democrats who believe Obama is so honest and for the people and not just another scumbag politician.
I love how you think that only the democrats are scumbags. You people like to point the finger at the other party, as though your own candidates are not shitbags. Welcome to the process: they're all scum. That's how they get to be candidates.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
helping or not...you made the mess its your job to fix it...
Unfortunately it's not a mess that can be attributed to one nation. There's a history to the nation. Hussein; he's ours, no doubt. As far as I'm concerned these people have every right to be pissed off at the west. We've been dipping our fingers into their lives and pie for decades. Just don't shoot the messenger because he delivers the wrong message. This is a world that didn't ask for our help or influence. The sooner middle America and the corner baptist church figure that out, the sooner the propoganda will stop working. In fact, they have a much more humane record than does our western christian world. Suck it fundamentalists. Oh, and you too catholics. You're just as bad.
Originally posted by KidRock
I laugh at all the Democrats who believe Obama is so honest and for the people and not just another scumbag politician.
You know, Obama is proving to have a lot of issues: the whole Reverend Wright thing, "redefining" his troop withdrawal plan, drifting towards the center, and to a lesser extent, talking about smoking weed in high school and college (in detail) in his book Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance. He's really giving his enemies and people on the fence about him a lot of ammunition to use against him.
And I think the main reason things are coming up about him out of the woodworks, is because McCain has been a celebrity for 30 years, where as 5 years ago, no one outside of IL really knew who Obama was.
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FYI: Kid Rock is gonna be on Letterman tonight.
I'm a pretty stalwart supporter of Obama (now, at least 😛), and I still don't buy into the whole "transcendent figure" crap; I just think he'll be a better president that McCain. And in fact better than anyone the Republican Party has to offer.
And his past run-ins with marijuana and cocaine, in my view, shouldn't cause people who are "on the fence" to not support him; it's a mark of his honesty that he included it, instead of just omitting it like other aspiring politicians would. Yes he tried illegal drugs, but haven't we all? Why should that alone be a reason to vote against him?
I'd love to continue a conversation in this line in a different thread, but isn't this thread about whether you'd vote for a third Bush term?
Originally posted by Devil King
Unfortunately it's not a mess that can be attributed to one nation. There's a history to the nation. Hussein; he's ours, no doubt. As far as I'm concerned these people have every right to be pissed off at the west. We've been dipping our fingers into their lives and pie for decades. Just don't shoot the messenger because he delivers the wrong message. This is a world that didn't ask for our help or influence. The sooner middle America and the corner baptist church figure that out, the sooner the propoganda will stop working. In fact, they have a much more humane record than does our western christian world. Suck it fundamentalists. Oh, and you too catholics. You're just as bad.
You know who I blame...the gays...
Originally posted by Bardock42
You always with your weird moral judgements.
Originally posted by Strangelove
And his past run-ins with marijuana and cocaine, in my view, shouldn't cause people who are "on the fence" to not support him; it's a mark of his honesty that he included it, instead of just omitting it like other aspiring politicians would. Yes he tried illegal drugs, but haven't we all? Why should that alone be a reason to vote against him?
Well said. One thing: Was admitting to smoking weed actually a mistake?
I have more respect for a person who smokes weed than a person who smokes a cigarette. Weed is less toxic to our body. A google will find conflicting evidence; propaganda machines at work. obviously.
Originally posted by Strangelove
I'd love to continue a conversation in this line in a different thread, but isn't this thread about whether you'd vote for a third Bush term?
Also correct. 🙁
Originally posted by dadudemonIirc, he did the latter up until recently as well. I would consider the latter more politically negative, despite it's legality, for some reason.
I have more respect for a person who smokes weed than a person who smokes a cigarette. Weed is less toxic to our body. A google will find conflicting evidence; propaganda machines at work. obviously.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Iirc, he did the latter up until recently as well. I would consider the latter more politically negative, despite it's legality, for some reason.
I was aware of his "cigarettes" as well. Sad, really. I didn't know that he quit, though.
I also would also consider it politically/publicly a bad move to be an open smoker.
Is it possible that his quitting was a political ploy to gain favor the public eye as "strong willed and master of evils"? It wouldn't put it past the publicly hypersensitive political machines vying for office nowadays. Not to be redundant, but it could be just another tool to gain more votes. I'm fairly sure that Betty-Joe in Tallahassee who has been trying to quit for the last 10 years will see this as a great strength in his character.
Am I looking through the facade or am I so used to bullshitters that I am finding imaginary bullshit?