KMC--Ruining the enjoyment of comics??

Originally posted by Raoul
i'd have to care what other people think to have my enjoyment ruined, right? 😛

nah, i read comics regardless...

My sentiments exactly.

A big issue among certain sects of KMC is that posters refuse to accept the fact that these characters aren't static. Everything in a comic, high end feats to "jobbing", is plot driven and fluid. Everything in a comic is "PIS". It's the entire premise of the genre. The line between being a fan and zealotry gets crossed too often. Some people treat these stories as gospel and defend their favorite character's standing like it were some divine purpose, and their detractors do the same with in some cases genuine disdain and hatred, all the while losing sight of the fact that in the end, it's just some story some guy made up and scribbled on a piece of paper. It's good to just take a step back and enjoy comics for what they are without dissecting the narrative down to it's base in the futile act of proving the superiority or inferiority of your favorite fairy tale character.

If I admit that it has ruined comics or characters for me (it has) I can't only dwell on the negative and have to mention the far more numerous times when KMC has enhanced my comic reading experience, either by providing insightful discussion on a topic or by making me aware of a comic that I eventually enjoyed.

The good outweighs the bad. But yeah, it happens both ways.

It also helps to avoid teh vs. forum. Place generally drains my soul...not for comics, just in general...and I much prefer this forum and the respect forum.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Meh. I can see both sides.

Take Civil War for example. I think it's a great comic with decent art and not a bad read.

Then on KMC you have posters threatening to drop Marvel because of it.

Yeesh.

Same with the vs. forum... after I see people list character A for speedblitzing their match 10/10 times, now and then you wonder when actually reading their comics "Where's the speedblitz?".

At the same time though, it's not going to ruin comics for me. Far from. KMC often directs me towards what the best comics are, and helps me avoid stuff that I don't really want to read.

But, I feel the tinge of "ugh" at some of the comic related e-drama that occasionally can affect reading the comic in question.

srug

i think what leo is saying is that the constant cock fighting we do to characters in the vs forum cheapens them somehow.

for example, for me, as a kid reading silver surfer was a huge step up from superman on a literary standpoint, to me it just had more substance. the transition was never about who was stronger or any of that shallow crap, just a better casual read. now that hobby got sort of perverted into a chore since those old boxes of comics are a now evidence.

Originally posted by leonidas
hmmm . . . for me? sometimes.

the overanalysis that takes place on the kmc sometimes DOES take the pure fun out of reading a book. often kmc "finds" problems that might otherwise have gone overlooked, robbing the enjoyment out of particular scenes or stories. people become so concerned with the canonicity of a story, whether continuity is carefully maintained, whether a character is depicted perfectly . . .

[b]sometimes -- not always -- the kmc can steal the fun out of reading a comic, imo. a quick example i raised in another thread was superman v the source-empowered infinityman. that was a GREAT showing for superman, and i very much enjoyed the battle, but i've heard people screaming it was PIS. maybe it was, but i still enjoyed the battle, but having people cry about it and pick it apart lessens it somewhat.

anyone else ever run across a similar problem? [/B]

Comic companies are ruining my enjoyment of comics.

Also, some writers and artists. disgust

Originally posted by leonidas
hmmm . . . for me? sometimes.

the overanalysis that takes place on the kmc sometimes DOES take the pure fun out of reading a book. often kmc "finds" problems that might otherwise have gone overlooked, robbing the enjoyment out of particular scenes or stories. people become so concerned with the canonicity of a story, whether continuity is carefully maintained, whether a character is depicted perfectly . . .

[b]sometimes -- not always -- the kmc can steal the fun out of reading a comic, imo. a quick example i raised in another thread was superman v the source-empowered infinityman. that was a GREAT showing for superman, and i very much enjoyed the battle, but i've heard people screaming it was PIS. maybe it was, but i still enjoyed the battle, but having people cry about it and pick it apart lessens it somewhat.

anyone else ever run across a similar problem? [/B]

People being over critical of feats, showings, arcs, etc.

People low balling feats for a particular character/company.

Idiot fanboys.

I still won't let the dunderheads ruin comics for me.

I've read a comic book for over thirty years

Shitty writing does more to ruin comics for me than anybody on a forum could ever do...

The forums are the opportunity to express opinions. The worst that can happen with that is if someone derides you for having a different opinion and if that's the case it is they who should feel bad.

Otherwise, KMC is awesome. Some of you guys are very fortunate to be in communities where you know lots of people who read comics. I'm not one of them. KMC offers a great outlet for discussion for me. ✅

Originally posted by Raoul
Shitty writing does more to ruin comics for me than anybody on a forum could ever do...

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
I take that as a personal insult.

are you: Dwayne McDuffie/Matt Fraction/Bendis?

If so, you should do.

Originally posted by guy222
I've read a comic book for over thirty years

Just a comic book, meaning one? 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
I take that as a personal insult.

Bad writer? 📖

Originally posted by Raoul
are you: Dwayne McDuffie/Matt Fraction/Bendis?

If so, you should do.

McDuffie? schmoll

Originally posted by The Scribe
Just [b]a comic book, meaning one? 😖hifty:

Bad writer? 📖

McDuffie? schmoll [/B]

his JLA sucks.

Originally posted by Raoul
his JLA sucks.

You're in luck. I just found this review. 😄

I bought JLA #33 yesterday.

It’s a sad time to be a fan of the Justice League. The book just hasn’t been worth reading for a long time. After reading Dwane McDuffie’s on-line comments about some of the bizarre editorial mandates inflicted on the books , I’m kind of amazed that the book has been readable at all.

Having said that, this issue was actually more readable than most. It feels like a lot of the outside pressures and influences eased up a little this issue and the story actually got a little room to breathe. It probably helped that a lot of second and third tier characters took center-stage. (Black Canary and Superman may be on the cover, but don’t expect to find them in the book.)

JLA #33 review

KMC did ruin Storm for me.

But otherwise, it's a good thing. Most of my reading is enhanced by KMC, and many times is simply unaffected by KMC...I enjoy it the same as I would otherwise.

Also, guys. Just give up on JLA. JSA >>>>> JLA, even with the new Johns-less team.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Everything in a comic, high end feats to "jobbing", is plot driven and fluid.

An excellent point, and one that I have to often make. The story drives comics, not keeping in line with power levels. The latter conforms to the former, not vice-versa.

Originally posted by Badabing
People trying to use real science vs comic book science.

People being over critical of feats, showings, arcs, etc.

comic book science (lol) isn't separate from real science, it's just a perversion/disregard of real science somewhat, even more so than "mainstream" science fiction is loosely based on theoretical science.

the thing is though that to actually be in awe of the feat in question, there has to be some sort of basis for that feat to be scrutinized by, other wise it means absolutely nothing and shouldn't be mentioned in the first place.

Originally posted by Raoul
are you: Dwayne McDuffie/Matt Fraction/Bendis?

If so, you should do.

Originally posted by The Scribe
Bad writer? 📖

Originally posted by The Scribe
You're in luck. I just found this review. 😄

I bought JLA #33 yesterday.

JLA #33 review

mcduffie would blame editorial mandate for his departure, and maybe it is a large part of it, but that doesn't change the poor quality of his writing.

being told "we need ____________ to happen in this issue" is no excuse to produce glorified toilet paper.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
No, that I can't ruin his comic experience more than a bad writer.

hmm

People in forums ruin characters but not comics.