choose 3 x-men to defend helms deep

Originally posted by gauntlet o doom
The Helms Deep wall, including the roundish citadel wall looks to be around 1.5 to 2.5 times the length of a football field. As much as Wolverine doesn't tire or Colossus doesn't get injured, how are two human-sized melee fighters going to be effective at covering such a large front? The sheer number of Uruk-hai would easily dog pile on top of Logan; or Piotr will become waist deep in dead orcs, further limiting his movement.

That being said, what happens when Colossus climbs up that mountain and chucks boulders down? Gambit charged explosions that create massive craters some ways away from the walls?

What happens when Wolverine heats up his claws enough to cause 1st degree burns to decapitated bodies?

Also Wolverine is way faster than anything in LOTR and could bub snikt and leap over bodies fast enough to never be gang raped. Even if buried, he'd need a heck of a lot of bodies to keep him down for long considering he can cut through bodies like butter and he can move a couple tons with his entire body.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Colossus swings Logan like a bat.

Originally posted by cdtm
A flaming bat, if Pyro's there. 👆

Claremont actually made them do that, only with Lockheed, not Pyro.

Lol.

WOLVERINE could swing Colossus like a bat. His strength is underrated.

He killed thousands (tens of thousands?) Of hand ninjas in EotS. So there's precedence for him fighting melee against armies.

Iceman, Magneto, Kitty Pride. PC would make this team an unstopable force.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

He killed thousands (tens of thousands?) Of hand ninjas in EotS. So there's precedence for him fighting melee against armies.

I doubt he killed in the thousands, but that’s not the point I think that some are trying to make.

Let me put it in another way ...and to make it easier let us assume Wolverine can easily kill tens of thousands of hand ninja.

The Wolverine example:
Those ninja were attacking him. They were converging on him. He was their target, and they were focusing completely on him.

This, he could stand in the middle of a field and they would all stream TOWARDS him.

The Helmsdeep Example:
The defense of Helmsdeep is (unfortunately for Wolverine) different. Sure, the Orcs (I know they’re Uruk, but I’ll call them Orc ...easier on my spellcheck) nearest to him will definitely attack him, but the invading horde is focused on breaching the Wall. Wolverine is just one part of the wall’s defense, and for every hundred Orc that rush to fight Wolverine there will be several thousand that are totally ignoring him and attacking the wall.

Now, if Wolverine had the speed of QuickSilver this wouldn’t be such an issue, but unfortunately he doesn’t.

He will survive the attack, and will kill any orc that comes within the range of his class ...but he will not be able to save Helmsdeep. He’d just be a more ferocious and lethal version of that funny dwarf in the book/movie, able to defeat any that stand before it - and having some good fights - but being able to do nothing to stop the huge horde streaming in.

Originally posted by SamZED
Iceman, Magneto, Kitty Pride. PC would make this team an unstopable force.

Kitty's actually on the list.

Thought about her power, but I'm not sure how her power helps clear hoards any more efficiently then Logan can do it. Best I can come up with is ignoring armies/guards to lay traps, or strategic targeting (Going after the Orc generals and such)

@Spetsnaz: true, but if we allow comic booky feats, i.e. not rooted in the real world, he's pretty fast.

@cdtm: she can make Helms Deep intangible.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
@Spetsnaz: true, but if we allow comic booky feats, i.e. not rooted in the real world, he's pretty fast.

@cdtm: she can make Helms Deep intangible.

*blink*

Huh. 👆

Originally posted by emporerpants
now, the point of this isn't to take out the whole army or survive. the point is to prevent the army from getting inside helms deep. which 3 x-men or villians would have the best chance at stopping the army from getting inside?

^ reminder

So yeah, Mags with his forcefields would be an excellent choice - too bad he's not listed in the OP 😛

Wolverine is a one man army, but he can't be everywhere at once.

That's why Pyro is a good choice. He can surround the place in flames, or route armies towards choke points.

Darksaint pretty much ended the thread with Kitty, though. No one's getting into an intangible structure.

Originally posted by cdtm
That's why Pyro is a good choice. He can surround the place in flames, or route armies towards choke points.

Setting off the planted explosives in the process? 😛

Originally posted by cdtm
Darksaint pretty much ended the thread with Kitty, though. No one's getting into an intangible structure.

Technically, that just allows them to harmlessly pass through the walls and gates, which was their only objective in this thread.

Psylocke is a great choice, imo. As she wasn't limited in the op and KMC gives her full capacity.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

@cdtm: she can make Helms Deep intangible.

Originally posted by cdtm

Darksaint pretty much ended the thread with Kitty, though. No one's getting into an intangible structure.

Originally posted by emporerpants
yeah, no visor removal for cyke. and for the sake of the thread we'll say shadowcat isn't allowed to make the entirety of helms deep intangible. lol, good point on that though.

👆

The OP (and subsequent posts) should have been quoted 3-4 times on each page, lol.

Ffs.

PGs use of Pyro to create the Eye of Sauron was pretty clever.

Colossus tosses Havok into the field.

He clears it.

If Psylocke has no trouble turning orcs against each other despite Sauron/Saruman’s influence then she’s definitely being overlooked.

Obviously her TK is powerful regardless, but no more so than Havok/Pyro’s energy output.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ffs.

PGs use of Pyro to create the Eye of Sauron was pretty clever.

Like Uruks would care.

YouTube video

Hmm not sure why I havent seen it but first choice is obviously Xavier. Who cares how many opponents anyone else can take down or withstand. With Xavier you just mind control any attacker to defend your stronghold for you.

Originally posted by beatboks
Hmm not sure why I havent seen it but first choice is obviously Xavier. Who cares how many opponents anyone else can take down or withstand. With Xavier you just mind control any attacker to defend your stronghold for you.

Read the OP.

We can't just pick any X-Man (or X-Woman) we want, we can only choose from the list.

I never got into LOTR, so I am only going based on youtube clips of the Helm's Deep thing.

This thread was made back when Psylocke had really strong TK, before her Vanishing Powerset Syndrome flared up again. You can combo her with any random two energy projectors tbh. She could protect them from or even redirect arrows/bombs, operate as crowd control, or just rip orcs apart ala Nimrod clones. Additionally, if that orc bomb squad gets through, Psylocke could made a TK wall while her crew beats the forces back. If they scale the walls, she can push the ladders all back down or gather enemies together for her allies to take out.

Pyro would go well here. A giant flaming dragon made from the orc torches would help a lot, as well as setting all their ladders and siege equipment on fire. It is raining though, so some of the AOE damage might be mitigated.

Gambit can machine gun cards into the army ala his showing against Gladiator, charge the arrow supplies of the allied forces, and would kick the shit out of any orcs that managed to scale the walls. Or blow their ladders up.

Cyke/Havok, even without their wide beams, could basically shoot and spin around. That said, it is nighttime. They totally can run out of juice, depending on how large the forces are. While I don't know the full scale of the orc army, that isn't as much of a possibility with the others.

The melee combatants are less appealing to me, for the simple fact that they can't cover all the ground. Sure, Wolverine and Colossus could save themselves, but they can't stop every random orc from rushing the wall and taking a ladder up.